Shikimaru failed in the chunnin exam. And he did well enough to pass. Lee failed to beat Gaara but it was still an amazing feat and he would have been promoted. There's a difference between succeeding in an easy plan, and failing at a nearly impossible plan. There were 0 variables in minato's plan while itachi's plan was nearly entirely variables.
Wait what... plan all what? figuring out tobi was not a plan. And putting the kyuubi in naruto was a gamble with as good of a chance as me winning at craps. Plot saved naruto for 13 years, kakashi took over for one, and jiriaya took it from there for 3 more until plot could once again save naruto from tobi.
173 posts and you say that. :|
Minato had to know whether or not Naruto was the child of the prophecy. That's a big reason as to why he went through with it; he believed Naruto would be the one save the world. Was this not a variable? Minato could've allowed Kushina to take the Kyuubi to her death, allowing it to respawn at a later date. He could remain alive and the village could keep its strongest ninja. But perhaps Konoha may not regain control of the Kyuubi. Other countries could become stronger. This is a political matter for Konoha? Was this not a variable? Tobi, who was he? Was his threat serious? Was this not a variable? Minato had to think about what was best long term for the village. Could it be beneficial for the Hokage to die after the loss of many ninja? Was this too, not a variable?
He survived a fight against Madara with EMS. Of course it is possible that Itachi would beat Hashirama, but I think it's not very realistic. I like Itachi more than Hachi, but I have to admit that he could block amaterasu with mokuton and avoid direct eye contact. I think it would be like when Naruto defeated Pain. Possible but with a lot of help by Kishi.
I dont know what you mean i just answered one of your posts(because i found it was an horrible analogy) and to the thread creator.
Yes those are variables, but i'm saying i don't think there were many variables after the event. Itachi put his plan into place (the plan revolving around sasuke is the one i'm referring to) and then left, only to hope that his messages and words would sink in in the right was as to push him to seek itachi out and kill him, so he could return as the hero who revived his clan. The only reason it didn't succeed was because tobi came along and spurred on sasuke's lost hatred which was lost after itachi was finally killed.
Are they? Please provide valid and logical comebacks. Sir.
The whole manga is a plot. But sasuke being deidara, and naruto not being taken in the entire 13 years he was alive, and sasori fighting the ONLY 2 people he could not beat is plot negating the skills of a person to even the field.
Well no, because I think a major misconception is that Minato only had to think about Naruto. He had to think about a major threat in Tobi, and importantly, the well being and political/military power of Konoha. You're overlooking these things.
Minato sealed his chakra inside of naruto to someday seal the 9 tails, to tell naruto to never give up, to give naruto the reassurance he needed.. Pretty much what itachi did. Itachi and Minato are about par. It is unfair as we have seen soo little of minato. Itachi's long term plan was absolutely great but minato's was not bad. Let us look at his abilities he made himself. The S/T nin with a formula.. He figured out how to manipulate time and space using a formula. He made a bijuu dama with his hands by rotating chakra.. He is a great ninja whom we have not seen enough of but kishi made it evident he was an amazing shinobi. As he did itachi. Let us get over the fact that there is no decided better. Par and that is all.
