[Discussion] Why is it so hard to belive Starrk>Uliquiorra?

[Goetia]

It's true that Tier was VL, but it was never said that Ulq is not one.

In some interview/databook Kubo said that mostly of Espadas were VL, which mean that at least 6 of them were VL.

While it is true that it was never said that Ulquiorra never achieved the status and form of Vasto Lorde, this was his shown form when he was a hollow.

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That doesn't look human at all. While Tier Harribel and Starrk were shown to be more human in appearance.

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[Forbidden Tale]

While it is true that it was never said that Ulquiorra never achieved the status and form of Vasto Lorde, this was his shown form when he was a hollow.

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That doesn't look human at all. While Tier Harribel and Starrk were shown to be more human in appearance.

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That's true, but I would agrue that Barragan was VL, and look at his look.

Also, Tier picture is anime only

 

[Phoenix110]

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[Dannie]

Starrk being the Primera or whatever it is, is not evidence enough to use that Starrk can beat Ulquiorra, and it's funny when people try to disregard Ulquiorra's feats and act like they didn't happen, while at the same time use a number as their argument when that said number proved nothing at all against his opponents.

The only thing that Starrk has over Ulquiorra is Sonido, but that feat that he showed when he blitzed Kenpachi and Ichigo is trash compared to what Ulquiorra has shown in regards to speed.

Everything else, Ulquiorra triumphs in.

Defense, DC, Strength, Intelligence and reflexes, Ulquiorra is superior. If you argue against this then you are arguing against feats from the manga.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Starrk being the Primera or whatever it is, is not evidence enough to use that Starrk can beat Ulquiorra, and it's funny when people try to disregard Ulquiorra's feats and act like they didn't happen, while at the same time use a number as their argument when that said number proved nothing at all against his opponents.

The only thing that Starrk has over Ulquiorra is Sonido, but that feat that he showed when he blitzed Kenpachi and Ichigo is trash compared to what Ulquiorra has shown in regards to speed.

Everything else, Ulquiorra triumphs in.

Defense, DC, Strength, Intelligence and reflexes, Ulquiorra is superior. If you argue against this then you are arguing against feats from the manga.

Sorry but Starrks Cero's is more than enough and the fact that he fought 4 Captains and was not even serious is more than enough to put him over Ulq.
Starrk would just sneek up from behind and blast him with Cero or the Wolves would destroy Ulq in a high diff fight.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The whole espada tier system is based on aizens opinion. Because aizen didn't know about ulquiorras second release, he deserves to be higher. Similarly, aizen didn't want barragan to be in the top spot to be a jerk, so starrk got to be number one.

And, because of the fact thatulquiorra is a better character, people say he wins.

 

[Zeta42]

Starrk can keep his Primera rank. Ulq is still stronger than him; therefore, he should be number 0.

 

[Dannie]

Sorry but Starrks Cero's is more than enough

You mean his Cero's that were dodged by Kyoraku?

Yeah okay.

and the fact that he fought 4 Captains

First he fought Kyoraku.
Then he fought Kyorauku and Ukitake.
Then WW stabbed Ukitake
Then he fought 2 fodder visords that got beaten by his Los Lobos
Then Kyoraku fought him again.

Stop saying he fought 4 captains. He never fought 4 captains. He fought 2 captains at the most and easily beat some shitty visords.

Also, the word captain can be given to anyone that was in the Espada. Hollowfied Ichigo is captain level and Ulquiorra was throwing him around easily in R1.

and was not even serious is more than enough to put him over Ulq.

No it's not.

Starrk would just sneek up from behind and blast him with Cero or the Wolves would destroy Ulq in a high diff fight.

Sneak up behind him? Is that the only way for Starrk to land a hit? Sneak up behind him? Lol

Show me a feat of Starrk blitzing someone from the front while giving them time to block;

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Cero's are dodged and wolves are countered by Lanza.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

You mean his Cero's that were dodged by Kyoraku?

Yeah okay.

First he fought Kyoraku.
Then he fought Kyorauku and Ukitake.
Then WW stabbed Ukitake
Then he fought 2 fodder visords that got beaten by his Los Lobos
Then Kyoraku fought him again.

Stop saying he fought 4 captains. He never fought 4 captains. He fought 2 captains at the most and easily beat some shitty visords.

Also, the word captain can be given to anyone that was in the Espada. Hollowfied Ichigo is captain level and Ulquiorra was throwing him around easily in R1.


No it's not.


Sneak up behind him? Is that the only way for Starrk to land a hit? Sneak up behind him? Lol

Show me a feat of Starrk blitzing someone from the front while giving them time to block;

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Cero's are dodged and wolves are countered by Lanza.

Why are you using Kyoraku's name? Just because Kyoraku evaded it you think Uliquorra can? Kyoraku can defeat Uliquorra as well so using his name is fruitless.

And since Starkk is faster that Ulq,he can easily sneek up and use 1000 Cero

 

[Dannie]

Why are you using Kyoraku's name? Just because Kyoraku evaded it you think Uliquorra can? Kyoraku can defeat Uliquorra as well so using his name is fruitless.

And since Starkk is faster that Ulq,he can easily sneek up and use 1000 Cero

Are you saying that Kyoraku is faster than Ulquiorra?

The only reason why Kyoraku can defeat Ulquiorra is because Kyoraku has much experience and he knows his abilities, something that Ulquiorra doesn't know very well.

Starrk is not blitzing Ulquiorra.

 

[grizzlyshree]

V2 Uliquiorra is much stronger than stark ,actually he blitzes

But yes ,I can't see how uliquiorra beats Barragan
I personally think that Barrragan is strongest espada

Barragan or Starrk is strongest followed by Harribel and ulquiorrhea!.

Remeber how Ulq told that there are three espadas beyond him?

Let ulq destroy a hollow by his mere presence then we can see

 

[grizzlyshree]

Are you saying that Kyoraku is faster than Ulquiorra?

The only reason why Kyoraku can defeat Ulquiorra is because Kyoraku has much experience and he knows his abilities, something that Ulquiorra doesn't know very well.

Starrk is not blitzing Ulquiorra.

starrk blitzes Ulq we cant compare both and both are dead so its pointless thinking who would win

 

[Joseph Gomes]

starrk blitzes Ulq we cant compare both and both are dead so its pointless thinking who would win

Starrk isn't blitzing anybody. He's speed is not even impressive visually. Vasto Lorde Ichigo would murder Starrk with minimum effort

 

[Sweet Pudding]

Starrk isn't blitzing anybody. He's speed is not even impressive visually. Vasto Lorde Ichigo would murder Starrk with minimum effort

Ichigo negged Ulq as well so how does this affect Starrk vs Ulq? Call me when Ulq kills Hollows by his mere presence.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Ichigo negged Ulq as well so how does this affect Starrk vs Ulq? Call me when Ulq kills Hollows by his mere presence.

i was just about to say that!

 

[Dannie]

Ichigo negged Ulq as well so how does this affect Starrk vs Ulq? Call me when Ulq kills Hollows by his mere presence.

First of all, Ichigo only bested Ulquiorra in his strongest Hollow form. I would like to see Starrk even stand a chance against someone like that.

And second, he killed some fodder hollows that were not even Adjuchas Level. Using that pathetic hype is not worthy of admiration.

You need to get a clue and stop being so ignorant. That was obviously hype portrayal. If Baraggan or Ulquiorra were in the same predicament then they would have been able to do the same thing as well.

Also, does it matter if he was hyped to kill some fodder hollows by presence? Is that supposed to put him above Ulquiorra and Barragan in terms of feats?

 

[Sweet Pudding]

First of all, Ichigo only bested Ulquiorra in his strongest Hollow form. I would like to see Starrk even stand a chance against someone like that.

And second, he killed some fodder hollows that were not even Adjuchas Level. Using that pathetic hype is not worthy of admiration.

You need to get a clue and stop being so ignorant. That was obviously hype portrayal. If Baraggan or Ulquiorra were in the same predicament then they would have been able to do the same thing as well.

Also, does it matter if he was hyped to kill some fodder hollows by presence? Is that supposed to put him above Ulquiorra and Barragan in terms of feats?

L0L
Starrk fought Kyoraku(Somebody who can defeat Hollow Ichigo and R2 Ulquiorra) and not to mention Starrk fought and nearly defeated Love and Rose and was able to blitze Kenpachi and Ichigo to kidnapp Orihime

 

[Dannie]

Starrk fought Kyoraku(Somebody who can defeat Hollow Ichigo and R2 Ulquiorra)

The only reason why Hollow Ichigo bested Ulquiorra was because he was faster.
If you didn't notice, speed is everything in Bleach.

Kyoraku isn't touching that form of Ichigo and will get blitzed just like Ulquiorra did.
His Shikai will be the only thing to save him from that Ichigo, which is the only thing that even makes Kyoraku strong in the first place.
He has a tricky ability, and he can only win by stabbing people from behind. Pretty lame.

and not to mention Starrk fought and nearly defeated Love and Rose

Love and Rose? You mean those shitty little Vizords that Ulquiorra would have no problem with either?
Alright then.

and was able to blitze Kenpachi and Ichigo to kidnapp Orihime

A blitz from behind, which anyone can do, and blitzing Kenpachi is not a feat, so you have no base here. Ichigo was in his bankai form facing the other way.

Please show me a scan of Starrk blitzing someone from the front and even giving him Intel and time to block.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Are you saying that Kyoraku is faster than Ulquiorra?

The only reason why Kyoraku can defeat Ulquiorra is because Kyoraku has much experience and he knows his abilities, something that Ulquiorra doesn't know very well.

Starrk is not blitzing Ulquiorra.

Ulq even said that the 3 are above him and he knew he had the R2 but he still said the 3 are above him...anyway

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[Dannie]

Ulq even said that the 3 are above him and he knew he had the R2 but he still said the 3 are above him...anyway

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Ulquiorra isn't cocky, and he wouldn't brag about being the strongest. He was also given number 4 by Aizen. He was obviously going by what the ranked list has placed him with. Ulquiorra has never seen the other Espada in their strongest forms, nor does he have any idea how strong they really are. Only Aizen has, and only Aizen knows, with the exception of Ulquiorra's second release. The only thing Ulquiorra knows is what number he has received, so saying that he said that their are 3 stronger people than him cannot be credited, because he has never even seen their ability to gauge that, and he is obviously just going by his number.

Also, R2 Ulquiorra is stronger than Harribel easily, so Ulquiorra's words are bullshit from that simple fact that Segunda shits on Harribel.