Why is everyone acting like if Rinnegan is just an evolution of Sharingan like MS?

[ShinobiEmperor]

We still don't know the origin of the rinnegan but if you ask me i'd say the juubi wasn't the origin of the rinnegan.
I don't think his body was stronger than his eyes here

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we see madara saying he'll improve the power of his eyes by becoming the juubi junchuruki and cast a powerful genjutsu on the world. It shows that becoming a junchuruki can improve the users eyes... Where am i going with this you may ask...? Simple, the sage eyes were improved when he became the juubi junchuruki... It's a possibility that there's another stage of the sharingan after the rinnegan or the sage acquired the rinnegan after becoming the juubi junchuruki which i think is unlikely because madara have acquired rinnegan without having the juubi.

I doubt very much the sage got all he got through genes, he was the original one, he got the Juubi sealed on him and the passed down what he got to his line. Really is the only explanation to Rinnegan and such it wouldnt make more sense simply say "RS was born with Rinnegan" it would shed zero light on its origin at least Juubi would shed light in the origin of the doujutsus and why they are so foul in nature (killing your brother, etc).

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

So you need senju+uchiha to have the rinnegan? No problem, every uchiha has senju blood in their heritage, senju has uchiha blood in their heritage so if either of the clans release their full potential then i think they can reach rinnegan.

Based on this logic Kabuto could resurrect Rikudou Sennin, after all the Uchihas and Senju have the exact information of RS just in a VERY recessive way.

 

[~Yubel~]

Based on this logic Kabuto could resurrect Rikudou Sennin, after all the Uchihas and Senju have the exact information of RS just in a VERY recessive way.

No he couldn´t cuz it depends on whos Dna you´re stealing and taking blood from senju/uchiha and mixing them won´t work cuz so6p dna has been buried deep and i mean DEEP throughout the generations of uchiha and senju, his blood is very thinned and almost nonexistant, you have to find his body with HIS dna, not some strange mix of his descendants.

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

No he couldn´t cuz it depends on whos Dna you´re stealing and taking blood from senju/uchiha and mixing them won´t work cuz so6p dna has been buried deep and i mean DEEP throughout the generations of uchiha and senju, his blood is very thinned and almost nonexistant, you have to find his body with HIS dna, not some strange mix of his descendants.

Technically it can be done with a descendant body only that you have to decompose the DNA and look very deep down to get a minuscule part of the Sages DNA.

 

[TrollingSage]

Yes i was speculating but i also used facts from the manga to back up my theory just like you did.

My point is short and simple... But i'll explain as much as i can.

The uchiha ancestors inherited the sage eyes as stated in the manga, the sage possessed the rinnegan.

Meaning the uchiha should possess the rinnegan as well but they possessed a diluted blood line of the rinnegan which is the sharingan. So it's very possible one of them could awaken the rinnegan and they don't need help of senju or uzumaki to awaken it because it's their inheritance.

I don't beleive naruto can awaken the rinnegan because he's an uzumaki and uzumakis don't possess the sage eyes but he can host even the 10 tails because he possess the sage perfect body and he doesn't need help from uchiha to host it... The younger son could host the 10 tails as well because he inherited his fathers body.
And i beleive the elder son could use the rinnegan because we were told he inherited the sage eyes.

Ok lets say the rinnegan is an evolution of sharingan. It doesnt mean it can simply be unlocked just like that. L:ike the other versions of the sharingan it will have certain conditions which have to be met. Itachi said you need to kill your best friend to awaken the ms. And you need to take your brother's eyes to get ems. So maybe getting senju dna is a condition which has to be met to unlock rinnengan

 

[~Yubel~]

Technically it can be done with a descendant body only that you have to decompose the DNA and look very deep down to get a minuscule part of the Sages DNA.

One thing, you have to get sufficent amount of DNA and a minuscule won´t cut it, i don´t think kabuto would waste his time digging into dead uchiha/senju bodies to get the DNA for so6p, he might succeed but it´ll take an extremely long time to do so. He already had madara and the rinnegan, why waste his time finding so6p?

 

[~Yubel~]

Technically it can be done with a descendant body only that you have to decompose the DNA and look very deep down to get a minuscule part of the Sages DNA.

One thing, you have to get sufficent amount of DNA and a minuscule won´t cut it, i don´t think kabuto would waste his time digging into dead uchiha/senju bodies to get the DNA for so6p, he might succeed but it´ll take an extremely long time to do so. He already has madara, why waste his time finding so6p?

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

One thing, you have to get sufficent amount of DNA and a minuscule won´t cut it, i don´t think kabuto would waste his time digging into dead uchiha/senju bodies to get the DNA for so6p, he might succeed but it´ll take an extremely long time to do so. He already has madara, why waste his time finding so6p?

Because not even the entire Narutoverse together dead and alive character (excluding the sons) teamed up could defeat RS. Even if Kabuto said "**** it" and ordered all edo tenseis to turn to the alliance side including Madara and Tobi then teamed up with them and Sasuke they couldnt even stracth RS, he is invincible if you dont have Juubi level powers.

 

[~Yubel~]

Because not even the entire Narutoverse together dead and alive character (excluding the sons) teamed up could defeat RS. Even if Kabuto said "**** it" and ordered all edo tenseis to turn to the alliance side including Madara and Tobi then teamed up with them and Sasuke they couldnt even stracth RS, he is invincible if you dont have Juubi level powers.

Well, they don´t have to be stronger, they can just seal him when they find an opportunity or take control of kabuto to make him release the technique.

 

[LEAU92]

I think it can be considered technically an evolution, what I am against is people considering it merely another more step just like 3 tomoe to MS and MS to EMS, the Rinnegan is a completely new doujutsu, it is an evolution yes, but not a sharingan anymore but a sharingan evolved into becoming something else.

And again I dont think it is simply an Uchiha step, we dont know the mechanisms to convert EMS to Rinnegan, but I doubt very much it is just as an Uchiha step, you most likely need Senju DNA.

But the achievement has only been seen via an uchiha, thats why it would only be possible through the uchiha clan. Yes maybe you do need senju DNA, but an Uchiha body will have to be the vessel seeing as the body is accustomed to doujutsu.

 

[ShinobiEmperor]

Well, they don´t have to be stronger, they can just seal him when they find an opportunity or take control of kabuto to make him release the technique.

RS has jutsus on a planetary scale, he can end the battle in 1 attack, use worldwide soul sucking dragon in everyone bar Kabuto, the jutsus are mugen too (infinite) so they never wear out, or destroy the planet with Shinra Tensei and put Kabuto safely in another dimension or something.

 

[Rafeal brown]

Ok lets say the rinnegan is an evolution of sharingan. It doesnt mean it can simply be unlocked just like that. L:ike the other versions of the sharingan it will have certain conditions which have to be met. Itachi said you need to kill your best friend to awaken the ms. And you need to take your brother's eyes to get ems. So maybe getting senju dna is a condition which has to be met to unlock rinnengan

uhh... Getting senju dna will increase the user's BODY not his EYES... Body and eyes are two different things in the narutoverse. Okay kabuto said an uchiha could awaken rinnegan when he progress past ms right...? So ems>ms. A sharingan user who obtained the ems can be considered to have progress pass ms because the ems is the fusion or combination of two ms... So you can agree with me that double ms or ems > ms. If ems is greater than ms then according to kabuto an ems user can awaken rinnegan. That's what i think, i hope i answered your question.

 

[TrollingSage]

uhh... Getting senju dna will increase the user's BODY not his EYES... Body and eyes are two different things in the narutoverse. Okay kabuto said an uchiha could awaken rinnegan when he progress past ms right...? So ems>ms. A sharingan user who obtained the ems can be considered to have progress pass ms because the ems is the fusion or combination of two ms... So you can agree with me that double ms or ems > ms. If ems is greater than ms then according to kabuto an ems user can awaken rinnegan. That's what i think, i hope i answered your question.

Actually Kabuto stated that the rinnengan is a progression BEYOND the sharingan. Its not just another version of sharingan. Its BEYOND it. Its like saying a spaceship is a complete version of an aeroplane.

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

I think EMS + Unkown secrets of Madara's body = Rinnegan

 

[Rafeal brown]

Actually Kabuto stated that the rinnengan is a progression BEYOND the sharingan. Its not just another version of sharingan. Its BEYOND it. Its like saying a spaceship is a complete version of an aeroplane.

yes you're right.

 

[Floydical]

It has never been hinted that you need Senju DNA to unlock Rinnegan. People just think it was since Izangi needs Senju DNA and since Nagato was an Uzumaki. But clearly since Madara unlocked Rinnegan himself, there is no need for Senju DNA to unlock rinnegan. Thing is, the Rinnegan BELONGED to both the sage and his elder son. The younger son had nothing to do with it. Therefore, it is completely logical for the rinnegan to be awakened by only someone of Uchiha origin.