Why is Bleach always handicapped?

[KingHashirama]

I swear these fapboys/fanboys/fans whatever you want to call them, they for some reason always love handicaping bleach characters so their fav verses can fight in a "fair" fight against them.. why?

I'm asking this question sincerly, and looking for a reasonable explanation, to this behavior.

I stated yesterday, that bleach people cannot be sensed or seen by anyone without reitsu. Reitsu does not exist in any different verse besides bleach. Yet you had people whining and moaning about how reitsu is the same as chakra.. like wtf dude..

Shinigami = Gods

Dbz/Naruto/One piece = mortals.

Its like I hurt people's pride or something by reminding them a truth about bleach. rofl. It was similar to how Naruto fans sometimes tend to rant on about genjutsu working outside naruto (i used to believe this to, but not anymore).

Ki=/=haki=/=chakra=/= reitsu. No clue why people always try to make them the same.

So anyone got an explanation?

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[Tobi98]

Well in a fight Goku wouldn't be capable of seeing them... it doesn't make their power levels stronger tho

 

[-Shiro-]

Because the only way to compare them is to assume reshi and chakra are the same

 

[iFlowMotion]

No Limit Fallacy.

 

[Aikor]

BLEACH and NARUTO are in a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE..Both animes have their OWN LOGICS!!like in naruto u have chakra and jutsus and stuff and idk abt bleach though but THEY ARE DIFFERENT!!If ur comparing 2 animes then it means u need to apply the 2 animes logic into the same dimension(like naruto and bleach in the same universe)and it is impossible because u cant compare their own logics into the same universe!!

 

[Senpou]

Your life would be easy if you stop thinking about these kind of stuffs.

 

[Dark Link]

Then please explain why regular objects in the world of the living still makes an impact instead of the then phasing through.

 

[Drax]

People are dumb and they say dumb things.You should know all about that.

 

[TheLifeLessOne]

The idea of comparing two different manga/anime universes is kind of stupid IMO. No one can sense most bleach characters if they don't have a strong reiatsu but that may only be the case in the bleach universe. Some people also take chakra as the equivalent to reiatsu and some don't. So that's why comparing two different manga/anime universes is just not right :/ because of the conflicting opinions and what people assume. If you would want the fight to be fair then at least consider chakra to be the same as reiatsu. At least that way it is easier to compare and visualise the fights more ;s

PS: I know people need a strong reiatsu to see shinigamis and stuff but is it the same with sensing cuz I remember this one scene when Dangai Ichigo arrived and Tatsuki said that she could sense Aizen's massive power but couldn't sense Ichigo's so assuming she can sense Aizen she should be able to sense most shinigami as Aizen 'transcended' above normal shinigami and hollow. If you could post a scan it would be helpful ;s

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

But characters in Naruto and One Piece have shown feats of seeing ghosts/spirits in their own universe.


Most people who argue for Bleach tend to ignore these feats and just like to say "They can't see them gg."

Most people use this argument because they know if they don't Bleach loses. Bleach is the weakest of the big 3 currently. Of course this will change once we see Ichigo go all out, but in the mean time, it is.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Bleachverse deals with restrictions because it's own in-universe logic doesnot apply to
Other fictions.

- basically, if you want to
Compare bleach to
Another fictional universe, you cannot assume the laws in the bleachverse apply to other verses.

In order to
Compare verses objectively- we use the standard energy equalization theory- meaning that we assume chakra = reishi in properties. In reality, we don't know how resishi a And chakra will interact, so instead of theorizing what would happen in vs debates we equalize the two in order to avoid semantics.
It's impossible to
Debate without assuming equalization, since the authors donot provide enough info.

--- shinigami are not invisible, you just need to be spiritually aware to see them, considering even fodders could see dan in ghost form, we can assume most ninjas are spiritually aware
--- besides, the shinigami/hollows/Quincy need reishi to survive- without equalization if we assume a nuetral world then all the main bleach cast die.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I swear these fapboys/fanboys/fans whatever you want to call them, they for some reason always love handicaping bleach characters so their fav verses can fight in a "fair" fight against them.. why?

I'm asking this question sincerly, and looking for a reasonable explanation, to this behavior.

I stated yesterday, that bleach people cannot be sensed or seen by anyone without reitsu. Reitsu does not exist in any different verse besides bleach. Yet you had people whining and moaning about how reitsu is the same as chakra.. like wtf dude..

Shinigami = Gods

Dbz/Naruto/One piece = mortals.

Its like I hurt people's pride or something by reminding them a truth about bleach. rofl. It was similar to how Naruto fans sometimes tend to rant on about genjutsu working outside naruto (i used to believe this to, but not anymore).

Ki=/=haki=/=chakra=/= reitsu. No clue why people always try to make them the same.

So anyone got an explanation?

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ki and chakra are the same as far as Haki probably not and reitsu probably not. But by your logic, if we can't exchange principals in a crossover fight than Shinigami can't hurt humans in their spiritual form they can only fight other raitsu beings iirc which means a shinigami from Bleach couldn't fight naruto unless in a gigai or unless Naruto characters are allowed to feel and sense reitsu.

 

[ahmetm]

Gods don't die shinigamis even age stop bsing about those stuff they just live in another realm just like hollows

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Goku can sense where a person is, he doesn't need to see them.

Do you remember Tousen vs Kenpachi?

Swap Goku in for Kenpachi and see what happens.

DBZ stomp think about all the possibilities before you make your stand.

 

[KingOfAnons]

Goku can fight opponents with his eyes closed. He is the greatest martial artist in fiction. Idiot.

 

[KingHashirama]

Because the only way to compare them is to assume reshi and chakra are the same

No it is not. Its like assuming transformers and humans are the same.. wtf. You can't make them the same.. then there is no point in comparing them.

Goku can fight opponents with his eyes closed. He is the greatest martial artist in fiction. Idiot.

Only way to kill a shinigami is via using reitsu.

I swear you dbz fapboys are more stubborn then genjutsu fapboys.

DBZ has a strong scale of destruction blow up planets.. and etc good for them. However, that does not mean they are superior, ability wise.

Goku can sense where a person is, he doesn't need to see them.

Do you remember Tousen vs Kenpachi?

Swap Goku in for Kenpachi and see what happens.

DBZ stomp think about all the possibilities before you make your stand.

- Kenpachi uses Reitsu, he has reitsu, he can see people and sense people .

Lord, how is this too hard to understand?

 

[KingHashirama]

ki and chakra are the same as far as Haki probably not and reitsu probably not. But by your logic, if we can't exchange principals in a crossover fight than Shinigami can't hurt humans in their spiritual form they can only fight other raitsu beings iirc which means a shinigami from Bleach couldn't fight naruto unless in a gigai or unless Naruto characters are allowed to feel and sense reitsu.

False, try using my logic again. My logic is that when you say people can see and sense shinigami without having reitsu, you are taking away their ability that makes them OP compared to Naurto or one piece...

And also, shinigami have the ability to touch humans.. where have you been..

Ki and chakra are not even close to being the same. Chakra requires a chakra network, Ki does not.

Bleachverse deals with restrictions because it's own in-universe logic doesnot apply to
Other fictions.

- basically, if you want to
Compare bleach to
Another fictional universe, you cannot assume the laws in the bleachverse apply to other verses.

In order to
Compare verses objectively- we use the standard energy equalization theory- meaning that we assume chakra = reishi in properties. In reality, we don't know how resishi a And chakra will interact, so instead of theorizing what would happen in vs debates we equalize the two in order to avoid semantics.
It's impossible to
Debate without assuming equalization, since the authors donot provide enough info.

--- shinigami are not invisible, you just need to be spiritually aware to see them, considering even fodders could see dan in ghost form, we can assume most ninjas are spiritually aware
--- besides, the shinigami/hollows/Quincy need reishi to survive- without equalization if we assume a nuetral world then all the main bleach cast die.

- False

Shinigami require REITSU.. which is not the same as KI or Spiritual chakra... Dan is not a shinigami..... Souls in Naruto-verse and dbz-verse and one piece - verse are not made from reitsu .

And also no you do not need to require to limit bleach-verse. It is their ABILITY to not be seen by anyone else except who possess reitsu. Its like saying lets take away Spirit bomb from Goku, since ki isn't in bleach-verse... no Goku keeps all his abilities, but so does bleach-verse.

Genjutsu = worthless outside of Naruto-verse, because no one outside of naruto-verse has chakra.... people need to deal with this to.

Why are you guys always making excuses just to make DBZ or some other verse superior, just because they cause large levels of destruction? Where is the logic in this?

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

No it is not. Its like assuming transformers and humans are the same.. wtf. You can't make them the same.. then there is no point in comparing them.



Only way to kill a shinigami is via using reitsu.

I swear you dbz fapboys are more stubborn then genjutsu fapboys.

DBZ has a strong scale of destruction blow up planets.. and etc good for them. However, that does not mean they are superior, ability wise.



- Kenpachi uses Reitsu, he has reitsu, he can see people and sense people .

Lord, how is this too hard to understand?

Damn bro I think you might be lost. Kenpachi is terrible at sensing, he even stated it himself. He felt Tousen's sword as it touched him and dodged and was able to counter.

Goku with his speed does this easily and kills and Bleach character.

/thread

 

[Seventh Sama]

Wasn't chad able to hit a hallow with a pole before he even got his shinigami powers?

 

[KingHashirama]

Damn bro I think you might be lost. Kenpachi is terrible at sensing, he even stated it himself. He felt Tousen's sword as it touched him and dodged and was able to counter.

Goku with his speed does this easily and kills and Bleach character.

/thread

Damn bro i think you forgot to read the thread.

Kenpachi has awesome sensing, no clue where you got the whole BS about him having terrible sensing rofl. On top of that he is able to see/touch/sense them in the first place is because of reitsu.

Show me a scan where Goku has reitsu......

Wasn't chad able to hit a hallow with a pole before he even got his shinigami powers?

he never became a shinigami.. but chad has always possessed reitsu. He was able to see spirits and etc also. Same for orihime.