[Discussion] Why is BB overrated on this forum?
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You are wrong though. He smashed luffy in both anime and manga. And croc said "isn't he supposed to be rubber" then be explained his df. BB lost to Magellan pre GGnm it has also been two years and we haven't seen anything about him since. But he was strong enough to be a yonkou by taking WBs territories meaning he is strong enough to compete with the other yonkou crews which puts him above luffy. The other yonkou wouldn't just let someone take those territories.
And to whoever said he ran from akainu... That was pre ts not post ts. We also haven't seen him post ts, so to say his haki is inferior to luffys is an unfounded statement. We are currently basing his strength in hype and the feats pre ts. His being a yonkou is enough to confirm that he is stronger than luffy. We can't rank him in regards to the other yonkou though because we haven't seen anything of him.
chopstickchakra
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A couple of things, first good points. Second, can you show me or tell me the chapter this happens in the manga I don't remember that, and does it show Luffy being hit or Luffy trying and not being able to stretch? If Luffy isn't shown trying to stretch to no avail then it's not really proof that his DF stopped him from stretching. If it is BB hitting Luffy over his elastic power, does it say outright BB didn't use haki and it was his DF that let him hit and damage Luffy? Third, I think the GGnM is why he was able to quickly take over and plant himself as a Yonko because people are afraid of that fruit because it's connected to WB, Roger's rival. If that fruit let's BB be as destructive as WB just by having it then that sort of diminishes WB's lure because that means it was the fruit not the man. Yet Doffy showed us different people have different levels over their fruit, I can't see BB being as good with GGnM as WB was in only 2 years which implies a lot of people simply gave into BB when he came to old WB territories with WB's old power(and yes I know that's speculation)
YellowFang
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So far he hasn't impressed me as an EoS villain... He f**kin ran like a chicken knowing about Akainu being nearby...
He better be really strong EoS or my already strong disliking towards him will change into hatred...
He better be really strong EoS or my already strong disliking towards him will change into hatred...
It's chapter 544 it's a little simpler than I thought but basically he grabs luffy with a black vortex and smashes him into the ground and blood comes out of luffy. Croc questions why is there blood if luffy is rubber. If it was haki he wouldn't be able to damage luffy like that, he should only be able to hit him where haki was applied. And seeing as how even croc was confused it didn't seem to be haki even because if it was croc would have known why luffy bled.
BB was strong before the GGnm and now that he has it he is stronger. Your point is correct however it only applies to one DF at a time. Considering BB has two, his experience with the GGnm is not of concern because he also has a lot of experience with another fruit. It can also be said that WB was strong due to himself and his knowledge of his fruit but it also says the BB is the same. It doesn't mean that WB was strong only because of his DF instead it means that BB is the same way. Experience does matter, the fruit not so much however BB has also seen WB fight a lot and has a lot of experience using another DF therefore he has a head start on the learning curve. It isn't like BB can't be strong without the GGnm, in fact shanks was even wary of BB. The fruit may scare some people but I doubt it would scare yonkou and even if it did, like I said the GGnm isn't his only strength it simply added to it. And two years is a lot of time too, it isn't like BB has been idle the whole time. The wiki also suggested the BB has haki although I'm not so sure they are correct.
In any case it is likely BB has haki now. And his skills have definitely improved. Their is also the possibility of him having another fruit but I don't think he has another yet although I'm sure he will get one. I'm not claiming he is the strongest yonkou, I bet he is currently the weakest, but I still think he would take an admiral to extreme diff before losing and I'm sure he is stronger than luffy. I'm betting on the next few months we will learn more about BB especially considering it's about time for a world status update that usually happens after each arc.
Jakobusan090
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No because I am pretty sure brook has fallen in water and not died. Water nullifies fruits as well. I think brooks fruit isn't constantly being used to keep him alive. I am pretty sure it was an ability to ressurect once. He can also do other things like go into ghost mode and that wouldn't work but I am sure his DF is no longer keeping him alive, rather it only reattached his soul which doesn't seem to need the fruit to stay attached to his body.Then would BB kill brook by only touching him?
Mephew D Kensei
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Seeing as no one is out rightly placing him as the Strongest or close to that I wouldn't say he is overrated.
I think that however still his strength is enough to earn him his Yonko title albeit the weakest for now(speculatively). With the Yami he has an advantage over df users and with Gura gura he has the power to go ham on a large scale so he is easily above Luffy. As for mastering the gura gura well he has witnessed WB use it for god knows how many years and he knows how to use a df already so basically he just replicates WB's moves all he needs is to fine tune the ability and time it right so he could grow much much stronger in 2yrs.
Running from Akainu did look cowardly yes but remember its Akainu and he would have sooner sunk the ship(what BB wanted) than lets BB have it especially if they had fought. Not to mention the possibility of the fight taking days to conclude similar to Akainu v Aokiji or Ace v Jinbei, three day is time more than enough for the other admirals and a sh!t storm of Marines to have come as back up and then what. They were also in a volcano(u know Akainu's element) it wouldn't have gone well for them, I mean u pull this crazy stunt to get a crew and u what u risk them all over a ship u know u r not gonna get even if u win?
I think that however still his strength is enough to earn him his Yonko title albeit the weakest for now(speculatively). With the Yami he has an advantage over df users and with Gura gura he has the power to go ham on a large scale so he is easily above Luffy. As for mastering the gura gura well he has witnessed WB use it for god knows how many years and he knows how to use a df already so basically he just replicates WB's moves all he needs is to fine tune the ability and time it right so he could grow much much stronger in 2yrs.
Running from Akainu did look cowardly yes but remember its Akainu and he would have sooner sunk the ship(what BB wanted) than lets BB have it especially if they had fought. Not to mention the possibility of the fight taking days to conclude similar to Akainu v Aokiji or Ace v Jinbei, three day is time more than enough for the other admirals and a sh!t storm of Marines to have come as back up and then what. They were also in a volcano(u know Akainu's element) it wouldn't have gone well for them, I mean u pull this crazy stunt to get a crew and u what u risk them all over a ship u know u r not gonna get even if u win?
If he was stronger, he'd have defeated Blackbeard a long time ago. The fact he never tried, plus the fact BB even accept him despite some of his crewmates like Burgess being suspicious around his intentions shows that he thinks he can't do anything to him
jiraiya lives
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Aokiji could be supporting him for many reasons. He seem like a good guy, the most level headed of the pre time skip admirals and wouldn't blindly align with a ruthless pirate without a plan. I however agree that he'll likely be killed if he tried a rebellion but then again there probably isn't a character alive who could stand up to a yonkou "Plus" their crew all by their self.
I also have a hunch as to why Aokiji chose to align with BB over the other yonkou
No not really, you don't if his objective was to defeat BB. Plus you're assuming he can just fight BB oneon one anytime and not get jumped by his crewmates aswell. Simply accepting him doesn't mean shit BB doesn't;t fight fair, nothing about his alliance even implies he can't beat BB.
chopstickchakra
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@bold Didn't Sentomaru use a wave like Haki to reflect Luffy's attack at Sabaody? I reread those pages too, it never states one way or the other all it says is "Why is there blood" from Croc.
@bold 2 That's because Oda planned when he was going to explain Haki more thoroughly, that was laying a foundation for the explanation the same way Luffy used CoC on that bull well before it was explained how or what CoC haki was
[video=youtube;S8G1lcDp9Zw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8G1lcDp9Zw[/video]
@bold 3 I think we may be interpreting things differently there, Shanks told ACE to be careful because he knew Teach's DF would have an edge over Ace. I don't think the manga's shown anythign to indicate Shanks is worried about BB on a personal level. Didn't he say he wanted to get revenge on him for the slash? If so then he's not really wary of him. That's just my interpretation though.
@bold 4 I never intended for it to sound like I was saying it was his only power, I was saying people act like now that he has the GGnM he's automatically = to WB just by having the same fruit and I don't agree with that notion. Until I see definitive proof the YYnM will stop Luffy from stretching, Luffy is a bad match for BB because whenever he uses it to bring Luffy in Luffy can/will/should blast him with one of his crazy strong punches which BB is already susceptible to(He's said his YYnM makes him feel pain even more) that is until he develops his GGnM abilities to around WB level(if he hasn't already we haven't seen anything really)
@bold 5 Idk I don't really see it. I'm going to keep bringing up the Magellan fact. I don't think BB could have beaten Doffy on his own either. There haven't really been any other big challenges yet, BB should def beat pacifistas and Hody. I'm curious how he would have done against Sabo seeing as his boy Burgess pretty much got handled(I know a lot of people disagree with that but Burgess really only put up durability which very very very rarely wins you a fight, it typically just prolongs the end) or Ivan who also seems like a tough Rev. Croc seemed pretty dismissive of him but Croc's arrogant and it was pre GGnM so... idk we'll really need more to make a fair/accurate assessment but I don't see any existing evidence to support it. For now, to me, Luffy>=BB, it's pretty clear they're going to be very closely matched throughout the story with the protagonist slightly above as per usual(I see something rivaling the Akainu/Aokiji battle between them for their big finale)
All in all it very well may be true that BB's DF works on all DF's however I think most people have just assumed it and accepted it as truth. I see no actual verification of this by Oda, unless it's in an SBS I've never read them.
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chopstickchakra
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That's not exactly right. Water doesn't nullify them it makes the user lose control and weakens them. Luffy was still stretchy even though Arlong had thrown him completely underwater. And on the topic of what about this fruit: What about Law? Would he cancel out Room by being there or would he have to touch Law?
He's not overrated not only does he have at least 2 DF he's also a genius. Everything that happened was something that he planned on happening.
He spent years with Whitebeard so he could have his protection while he learned everything about the New World without drawing attention to himself. And also being someplace that the Yami Yami DF would pass through.
And when he struck he knew exactly what he wanted to do he wanted to become a War Lord only so he could have access to Impel Down so he could get some of the worst of the worst for his crew.
And he figured out how to get multiple DF's while the rest of the world believed it to be impossible. There's a genius there people forget about because they don't expect a genius when looking at BB because he's a fat slob but he is a genius.
And plus he's a D and he has a lot of the same beliefs as Luffy that anything in this World is possible but BB is the dark version of Luffy and a D. He's clearly being setup as a final villain or at least the Villain Luffy has to get through to get the One Piece.
He spent years with Whitebeard so he could have his protection while he learned everything about the New World without drawing attention to himself. And also being someplace that the Yami Yami DF would pass through.
And when he struck he knew exactly what he wanted to do he wanted to become a War Lord only so he could have access to Impel Down so he could get some of the worst of the worst for his crew.
And he figured out how to get multiple DF's while the rest of the world believed it to be impossible. There's a genius there people forget about because they don't expect a genius when looking at BB because he's a fat slob but he is a genius.
And plus he's a D and he has a lot of the same beliefs as Luffy that anything in this World is possible but BB is the dark version of Luffy and a D. He's clearly being setup as a final villain or at least the Villain Luffy has to get through to get the One Piece.
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What about seastone. It is said to give off the aura of the sea and seastone handcuffs have kept logias from using their df's and kept them vulnerable to attack. If luffy stretches under water then shouldn't a logia be intangible even in seastone. Except we see that that isn't true. So it either has to be a retcon or a contradiction that won't be explained. It very well could be that it simply makes them lose control over their power but in that case it should still kill Brooke if he went underwater but it didn't.
1. Chapter 576 disproves you. WB clearly wasn't able to use his fruit while being touched by BB.
2. Shanks doesn't know BBs DF, he fought BB prior to BB gaining his fruit. He may know if it now but when he talked to WB shanks shouldn't have been aware of the YYnm. Yes shanks wanted revenge but he is careful too, he knows he shouldnt underestimate BB and he thought WB might be.
3. Yeah people do do that, but it isn't just the GGnm the combination of two very strong fruits is also a factor, even without the YYnm the GGnm is very strong and vice versa. Pre skip BB is no match for current luffy but with both DF's and with haki he should beat luffy right now.
4. He should wreck doffy right now, he is a yonkou, doffy isnt. Regardless of any fear of the GGnm, BB still got the title and doffy doesnt. The yonkous dont mess with each other because they know each others strength. BB isnt an exception.