[Discussion] Why I think, the latest chapter is full of poor plot twists/mistakes

[Oksus]

1. Minato having the Kuybi's chakra. Why exactly did he have this? I always thought he would, since the Death Reaper Seal, seals the target inside yourself, and then the reaper seals you away. However, clearly this was not the case, since 1st, 2nd hokage, and Oro's arms came out of the Death Reaper, and not Hiruzen. This could be explained in a number of ways, however, fact is, Kishi didn't care at all about this, so clearly he didn't gave it any thought, or he would have elaborated it for us. Not too well thought through.

Death Reaper seals the user and victim inside the Death Reaper to fight for an eternity. Minato sealed half of Kurama's chakra inside of himself with the help of death reaper, than sealed him self inside of it.

2. This may be minor, but how on earth did the 4 kage's do this 4 seals barrier, which btw can only be done by 4 hokage level shinobi. I mean, why would such a jutsu exist? Did anyone seriously expect 4 hokage's to be alive at the same time, and how the f*ck did they even create the jutsu, when there has never been 4 hokage's at once? Or how low does this "hokage level"-thing go? It's just stupid, and not thought through...

4 Kage level shinobi, it does not have to be 4 hokages, Jiraya, Naruto, Orochimaru, Itachi, they are all capable of doing that jutsu, given the time to learn it.

3. Surely these 4 hokage's are strong. And surely barrier jutsu's can be quite impressive, we've seen that before. But why in God's name has the shinobi alliance not used a single barrier yet?? The one the sound 4 used to imprison the 4th hokage, was quite neat. Simple, etc.. WHY ON EARTH DID THEY NOT USE IT ON THE JUUBI? OR JUST ANOTHER ONE... Just sayin..

One used by Orochimaru was advanced barrier, and I am sure that nobody except him knew how to do it, plus you cannot be sure that Barrier of that power could have held Jubi or even TBB.

4. Sasuke's feelings turning 180 degrees in a manner of hours. How the f*ck can he make such a decision so fast? His life long hatred was boiling for weeks, even to the extent, of which he took his brothers eyes, just so that he could get revenge.. I can understand, why he wants to become hokage, and why he wants to protect Konoha. But realizing all this in a few hours proves Kishi's poor sense of time. Who needs sleep anyway...

I'll give you a link to my thread that explains Sasuke's feelings. EDIT:

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5. Sakura's future power-up. It's quite clear she will get one. I mean it gotta be f*cking insane!? She is currently planning to fight side by side with Naruto and Sasuke vs enemies like the Juubi and Madara. This isn't small stuff. It potentially could put her at kage level, which would be like a 50 times improvement if not more? She hasn't displayed any offensive jutsu for long, and actually there has been not a single sign, for her to suddenly get such a power-up. It just proves, this is something Kishi suddenly felt like doing. I mean if he knew, this would happen just 250 chapters back, he could have devoted a few pages showing Sakura training with Tsunade... All we saw, was her healing on a f*cking fish. Come on Kishi, you can do better than that...

It is implied that she was storing chakra for a really long time, possibly even since Time Skip. We will possibly see some flashbacks of Tsunade teaching her. And What did you expect ? For Kishi to leave the Heroine on the sidelines ? I mean if Sasuke can get crazy asspull powerups that do not even make sense, Sakura can get atleast one that puts her on Sannin-Low Kage level.

 

[NarutoSin666]

not really criticizing but i think i can actually give semi-valid excuses/points from which it seems to me atleast that fill these plot holes you have.

1. i have no real answer for this one, maybe Kishi will elaborate in further chapters, seems to me that it would have something to do with the level of Minatos sealing technique when compared to the 3rds, maybe his was stronger so the Kyuubi Chakra wasnt separated from him while inside the Shinigamis stomach? idk, i could be wrong.

2. there have been a couple other jutsus that seem to be created for just certain people and situations i mean look at Multiple Shadow Clone, it could only be used by someone of Narutos chakra level, though just shadow clone can be used by many people. i could see the 3rd knowing a technique like this since he was the professor or whatever, the others, well idk.

3. no one in the army is proficient in the use of barriers, atleast that we know of, that simple i mean when have we seen anyone use a barrier other than the sound 4 that could be erected quickly?

4. looking at sasukes character and his decision making skills in battle it really isnt that far off for him to think up a plan to accomplish his goal, whatever that may be, quickly, and what quicker way to change the village and protect it than to become hokage? i dont think his hatred is gone, as you can see in the panels he really doesnt show any emotion much at all so that could be something he has to deal with down the road, possibly when he fights Naruto. Kishi cant really explain all of this yet since that would pretty much end the chance of Sasuke fighting Naruto later on. it also could have been something he came up with while talking to Oro about why he tried to destroy the village since we never saw Oros complete answer, also the 1st story probably influenced his decision. this is something i am VERY sure will be explained in detail later in the manga, we are supposed to be left like WTF in this chapter i think.

5. if you think about it several of the other characters have had off panel power ups that were explained later on, i mean we never really get an explanation about the powerups of any character, and we have seen absolutely NO ones training in Shipuuden except Naruto's so it is not a stretch that Sakura mastered some kind of Jutsu that would be S-class or higher, though i think it is gonna be an impressive waste of time but hey she has gotta be in this for the whole team 7 combo we see.

all in all i think Kishi did what he has often did he answered many questions and plot holes he left us hanging on earlier and opened up some new avenues to take later on that would expand the story to his ending, which he has already said he has known the ending of Naruto since the begining so we are all just along for the ride. : )

 

[Killahkels]

Ok to answer the reaper seal question hurizen said those sucked into the reapers belly are locked and eternal combat.minato possibly sealed the chakra in himself from inside the reaper. Orochimarus arm... Why would anyone seal that inside of them or fight for eternity with them so i imagine they were just floating around in there.

Why would it be so bad for sakura to get a powerup? Yin seal in chakra that is stored up but has it been explained how long it takes to store before the diamond forms? No sakuras powerup could have been three years in the making. Only naruto learns thing super fast. She could have been preparing for this and once she finishes maybe the yin seal with give her enpugh reserve chakra to go sage mode.

 

[thegame]

If Sakura goes into Sage mode I will be so pissed off. In the ENTIRE manga it has been stated that Sakura does NOT have a large amount of chakra, she can just control it really well. It has also been said you NEED an ENOURMOUS amount of chakra to go into Sage mode. Something she obviously does not have. So if she enters Sage mode Kishi is really pulling shit out of his ass and not caring about anything he wrote since the beginning of the damn manga.

Oh and wouldn't it be the 5th? Kabuto, Naruto, Jiraiya, and Hashirama, which is 4. Kabuto couldn't have known about Hashirama, so he was wrong either way. Unless you are talking about Kabuto saying there are three spots to get Sage mode, Snake, Frog, and presumably Slug. Which wouldn't make a fourth since if Sakura did use Sage mode it would be a slug one. Which she had to have gotten from Tsunade. Although that would be wrong though also since Hashi's is obviously neither of the three.

Yeah I mean, if there is 4 different types of SM. Slug, dragon, toad, mokuton. But hopefully not. The reason I said it, is cause then none can really predict Sakura's power-up, since manga already stated, that it's not possible. And that is what Kishi has been doing all the time lately.. He says something is impossible, and does it anyway.. Scumbag Kishi!

 

[thegame]

Minato sealed half the 9 tail chakra in him before he died.

The real plot hole is the summoning of the 1st and 2nd because the 3rd sealed them inside of him.

Yes, that was my point.

1. Apparently Minato did something before the Kyuubi was taken inside him probably the same as Narutos Jinchuriki seal, thats why Kurama was talking about how complex the seal is.

Surely, there must be an explanation. Such an obvious mistake, is not typical for Kishi, so I am still waiting for that.

2. The 4 barrier seal requires 4 Hokage level shinobis not 4 Hokages, the *********** translation clears that up.

I guess you mean 4 kage level =D but still, my point is valid.

3. Imo Sasuke not changing his mind would make less sense.

Sure, but he could wait a little, before making his final decision, and be like, "I will help with the war, cause that is better for me as well", and after the war make his decision.

4. No idea why

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[Codex]

You make some good points, I admit. Regarding your first point, here's a thought (doesn't resolve all the inconsistencies, but perhaps it's a step in the right direction):

IIRC, the 1st and 2nd Hokage were technically sealed within shadow clones of Hiruzen, so maybe, just maybe, once inside the reaper's belly the clones popped, releasing the souls of the 1st and 2nd Hokage. Of course, that logic won't explain why Oro's arms weren't still sealed within Hiruzen. Perhaps (a bit of a stretch) Hiruzen voluntarily released Oro's arms from himself once he was sealed inside the reaper. I mean, I would want Oro's creepy arms feeling up my innards for all eternity. Again, I'm just reaching for an explanation, not sayin' I think this is true.

 

[6PathsofKami]

Yeah, another 2 pages could have explained it. Yeah I meant Kage level my bad and yeah it would have been better if Sasuke waited but oh well.

 

[thegame]

not really criticizing but i think i can actually give semi-valid excuses/points from which it seems to me atleast that fill these plot holes you have.

1. i have no real answer for this one, maybe Kishi will elaborate in further chapters, seems to me that it would have something to do with the level of Minatos sealing technique when compared to the 3rds, maybe his was stronger so the Kyuubi Chakra wasnt separated from him while inside the Shinigamis stomach? idk, i could be wrong.

It's possible, but I would have like Kishi to make it more obvious. Why didn't he just have Oro pull the souls out of Hiruzen after he was revived? That would not create any plot problems. That is why, I think it's a mistake, but possibly, he will correct it somehow.

2. there have been a couple other jutsus that seem to be created for just certain people and situations i mean look at Multiple Shadow Clone, it could only be used by someone of Narutos chakra level, though just shadow clone can be used by many people. i could see the 3rd knowing a technique like this since he was the professor or whatever, the others, well idk.

Yeah, I am just wondering, why the shinobi alliance wasted their time building useless walls, instead of creating a barrier.. What is the barrier team doing, those that imprisoned Bee and Naruto? They could have been useful, and combined with the rest of the alliance.. Just wondering.

3. no one in the army is proficient in the use of barriers, atleast that we know of, that simple i mean when have we seen anyone use a barrier other than the sound 4 that could be erected quickly?

But it seems very easy to use a barrier, and why would nobody know any? They should :| sound 4 were fodders...

4. looking at sasukes character and his decision making skills in battle it really isnt that far off for him to think up a plan to accomplish his goal, whatever that may be, quickly, and what quicker way to change the village and protect it than to become hokage? i dont think his hatred is gone, as you can see in the panels he really doesnt show any emotion much at all so that could be something he has to deal with down the road, possibly when he fights Naruto. Kishi cant really explain all of this yet since that would pretty much end the chance of Sasuke fighting Naruto later on. it also could have been something he came up with while talking to Oro about why he tried to destroy the village since we never saw Oros complete answer, also the 1st story probably influenced his decision. this is something i am VERY sure will be explained in detail later in the manga, we are supposed to be left like WTF in this chapter i think.

I am just bothered by the time he took to decide. He was just about to kill Sakura earlier, as if he didn't care. Nobody just makes decisions that big in such a short time..

5. if you think about it several of the other characters have had off panel power ups that were explained later on, i mean we never really get an explanation about the powerups of any character, and we have seen absolutely NO ones training in Shipuuden except Naruto's so it is not a stretch that Sakura mastered some kind of Jutsu that would be S-class or higher, though i think it is gonna be an impressive waste of time but hey she has gotta be in this for the whole team 7 combo we see.

all in all i think Kishi did what he has often did he answered many questions and plot holes he left us hanging on earlier and opened up some new avenues to take later on that would expand the story to his ending, which he has already said he has known the ending of Naruto since the begining so we are all just along for the ride. : )

Yet, he hasn't shown any of Sakura's training. It just proves that it's something he made up on a hunch..

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

Hold on, a few hours? No, he started to change long before that. I do still think it was rushed though. This thread explains my thoughts on it. I agree on everything else though.

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