[Discussion] Why I think, the latest chapter is full of poor plot twists/mistakes

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Generally, I rate the chapter rather high, I mean we had action, we had great moments and reunion of team 7, and NO TALKING WAR BETWEEN OBITO & KAKASHI, what else to wish for?
However, when using my brain a little, I quickly realized all the unforeseen plot twists, which lacks explanation, and it seems like something Kishi made up in a hunch in the bar after a long day's work.

Let me give a few examples:

1. Minato having the Kuybi's chakra. Why exactly did he have this? I always thought he would, since the Death Reaper Seal, seals the target inside yourself, and then the reaper seals you away. However, clearly this was not the case, since 1st, 2nd hokage, and Oro's arms came out of the Death Reaper, and not Hiruzen. This could be explained in a number of ways, however, fact is, Kishi didn't care at all about this, so clearly he didn't gave it any thought, or he would have elaborated it for us. Not too well thought through.

2. This may be minor, but how on earth did the 4 kage's do this 4 seals barrier, which btw can only be done by 4 hokage level shinobi. I mean, why would such a jutsu exist? Did anyone seriously expect 4 hokage's to be alive at the same time, and how the f*ck did they even create the jutsu, when there has never been 4 hokage's at once? Or how low does this "hokage level"-thing go? It's just stupid, and not thought through...

3. Surely these 4 hokage's are strong. And surely barrier jutsu's can be quite impressive, we've seen that before. But why in God's name has the shinobi alliance not used a single barrier yet?? The one the sound 4 used to imprison the 4th hokage, was quite neat. Simple, etc.. WHY ON EARTH DID THEY NOT USE IT ON THE JUUBI? OR JUST ANOTHER ONE... Just sayin..

4. Sasuke's feelings turning 180 degrees in a manner of hours. How the f*ck can he make such a decision so fast? His life long hatred was boiling for weeks, even to the extent, of which he took his brothers eyes, just so that he could get revenge.. I can understand, why he wants to become hokage, and why he wants to protect Konoha. But realizing all this in a few hours proves Kishi's poor sense of time. Who needs sleep anyway...

5. Sakura's future power-up. It's quite clear she will get one. I mean it gotta be f*cking insane!? She is currently planning to fight side by side with Naruto and Sasuke vs enemies like the Juubi and Madara. This isn't small stuff. It potentially could put her at kage level, which would be like a 50 times improvement if not more? She hasn't displayed any offensive jutsu for long, and actually there has been not a single sign, for her to suddenly get such a power-up. It just proves, this is something Kishi suddenly felt like doing. I mean if he knew, this would happen just 250 chapters back, he could have devoted a few pages showing Sakura training with Tsunade... All we saw, was her healing on a f*cking fish. Come on Kishi, you can do better than that...

Feel free to criticize me. This is of course, just a manner of opinions, but that doesn't mean, one can't change his mind =D
 

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1. Minato having the kuybi's chakra. Why exactly did he have this? I always thought he would, since the death reaper seal, seals the target inside yourself, and then the reaper seals you away. However, clearly this was not the case, since 1st, 2nd hokage, and oro's arms came out of the death reaper, and not hiruzen. This could be explained in a number of ways, however, fact is, kishi didn't care at all about this, so clearly he didn't gave it any thought, or he would have elaborated it for us. Not too well thought through.

the heck???
 

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The highlight of this chapter was definitely Kiba trying to act hard, like Sasuke wont slap him up.
 

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I respect opinion, but this has been made 1,000 times today and yesterday
 

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I don't think minato has the kyuubis chakra
 

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I feel the same way. Shame that around here when you state your opinion about the chapter you get flamed for it. :/
 

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To be honest as much as I laughed and loved the chapter, I found it complete BS. Kishimoto pacing accelerated out of nowhere, I get tired of the theme of history repeating itself (alluding to madara - hashirama and sasuke - naruto competing to be hokage), sakura being sakura, why no one is going for sasuke's throat after all the stuff he's pulled, I just find it somewhat cheesy. And I rarely ever complain about the manga chapters...oh well.
 
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everything pales in comparison to sakura saying she will fight with sasuke and naruto. its like a little girl in third grade tyring to fight alongside two jetplanes with long range missile launchers and gatling guns fighting agianst six other jet planes.
 

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I don't think minato has the kyuubis chakra

Minato was the one with the kyubi cloak if you look closely when they did the seal, so he had the kyuubi's chakra.
 

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everything pales in comparison to sakura saying she will fight with sasuke and naruto. its like a little girl in third grade tyring to fight alongside two jetplanes with long range missile launchers and gatling guns fighting agianst six other jet planes.

Tsunade's done more damage to madara than naruto and co have. How about you wait until she features her new abilities.
 

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I think we are going to see a parallel between Sasuke and Madara. Madara did a 180 as well but then did a little study of the Uchiha tablet and went back to attacking Hashirama. As for Sakura, I wonder if Kishi is taking inspiration on her from the story of the Sea Dragon King's daughter. It represents the greatest instant power up of all time.
 

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i am just saying from what i have read thus far in the manga.
 

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Tsunade's done more damage to madara than naruto and co have. How about you wait until she features her new abilities.

Tsunade is over 50 years old. She is an Senju, and the hokage. Granddaughter of the God of shinobi.
Her student, Sakura, has displayed skilled medical ninjutsu, fine reflexes, and a strong fist, but then that is about it. And she is just 17!

She needs to level Tsunade, to be useful here. If that happens at such a young age, and out of nowhere, I don't care, where Kishi gets his inspiration from, it's ridicules, and Kishi will basically shit on the story he himself has created! And I don't get that.. It's only Naruto, that is special, and can learn sick jutsu very fast. For other people it takes very long!

AND the worst is, I fear we will see Sakura using sage mode, I know Kabuto said, there is only 3, but with the way things has been going, it would not surprise me, if Kishi suddenly chose to make a 4th out of nowhere.... "She has been gathering up chakra"... Hopefully it will just be a hime, where she gives more power to Naruto and Sasuke, that would be acceptable..
 
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I think we are going to see a parallel between Sasuke and Madara. Madara did a 180 as well but then did a little study of the Uchiha tablet and went back to attacking Hashirama. As for Sakura, I wonder if Kishi is taking inspiration on her from the story of the Sea Dragon King's daughter. It represents the greatest instant power up of all time.

True, well at least Sasuke already read the tablet and didn't turn evil again all of a sudden like Madara, so Kishi can't all of a sudden make Sasuke turn evil because he read the tablet. Well he should have read the tablet at least, he was ****ing down there when they revived the Hokages, I mean he can't read everything since he doesn't have Rinnegan, but he can read mostly all of it since he has EMS.

Tsunade is over 50 years old. She is an Senju, and the hokage. Granddaughter of the God of shinobi.
Her student, Sakura, has displayed skilled medical ninjutsu, fine reflexes, and a strong fist, but then that is about it. And she is just 17!

She needs to level Tsunade, to be useful here. If that happens at such a young age, and out of nowhere, I don't care, where Kishi gets his inspiration from, it's ridicules, and Kishi will basically shit on the story he himself has created! And I don't get that.. It's only Naruto, that is special, and can learn sick jutsu very fast. For other people it takes very long!

AND the worst is, I fear we will see Sakura using sage mode, I know Kabuto said, there is only 3, but with the way things has been going, it would not surprise me, if Kishi suddenly chose to make a 4th out of nowhere.... "She has been gathering up chakra"... Hopefully it will just be a hime, where she gives more power to Naruto and Sasuke, that would be acceptable..

If Sakura goes into Sage mode I will be so pissed off. In the ENTIRE manga it has been stated that Sakura does NOT have a large amount of chakra, she can just control it really well. It has also been said you NEED an ENOURMOUS amount of chakra to go into Sage mode. Something she obviously does not have. So if she enters Sage mode Kishi is really pulling shit out of his ass and not caring about anything he wrote since the beginning of the damn manga.

Oh and wouldn't it be the 5th? Kabuto, Naruto, Jiraiya, and Hashirama, which is 4. Kabuto couldn't have known about Hashirama, so he was wrong either way. Unless you are talking about Kabuto saying there are three spots to get Sage mode, Snake, Frog, and presumably Slug. Which wouldn't make a fourth since if Sakura did use Sage mode it would be a slug one. Which she had to have gotten from Tsunade. Although that would be wrong though also since Hashi's is obviously neither of the three.
 
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About the sealing jutsu, they didn't mean 4 hokages had to do it just 4kage level shinobi
 

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Well for Minato...he sealed Kurama into himself RDS style....also remember one battles the one they seal for all eternity so probably ended up being a chakra tug of war scenario just in the Reaper.

I think the red barrier is more like 4 Kage level shinobi.....just happens that the Hokage know of the tech.

As for Sakura...she's needed a power up, but I think it should have been better displayed or shown. Hopefully the Byakugou as that would be the most logical and useful power up as of now.
 

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Minato sealed half the 9 tail chakra in him before he died.

The real plot hole is the summoning of the 1st and 2nd because the 3rd sealed them inside of him.
 

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1. Apparently Minato did something before the Kyuubi was taken inside him probably the same as Narutos Jinchuriki seal, thats why Kurama was talking about how complex the seal is.

2. The 4 barrier seal requires 4 Hokage level shinobis not 4 Hokages, the *********** translation clears that up.

3. Imo Sasuke not changing his mind would make less sense.

4. No idea why
 
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