Why i find madara>hashirama.

[AlphaScythian]

Madara>Hashirama​

This is my first thread here on NB so go easy on me, and how title suggest I will be giving my reasoning behind the statement. My view is based on set of capabilities Madara has, and I view it from MMORPG perspective. If any of you played one you might get what I mean.

So reading Madara VS Hashirama fight at VOTE I cant help but notice consistent bad choices Madara has made.
Now we know how battle started and how did it unfold, most importantly that Hashirama was not in SM.

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Now in this example we see how Madara opted for TBB to defeat mokuton dragon which had bad consequences.

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Namely TBB was turned against him and he had to waste chakra on susanoo. Now this could've been fixed with flash TBB, as we've seen in Naruto's case. Flash TBB would easily decimate mokuton dragon and grant Madara upper hand.

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Here we see Hashirama on the ground catching susanoo sword. If Madara would use sword slash from the start or another flash TBB, most likely it would be the end of Hashirama.

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This is another WTF moment for me. Hashirama quickly escaped to the shore, from huge biju, that in all probability would be faster then him. He then summoned 5 really big gates and TBB conveniently didn't explode, thus failed to kill him.
To sum all above, I find Hashirama completely overwhelmed by Madara with out SM. He should have been dead couple times over.

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So sage mode. In scans above we can clearly see size differences and damage differences. 1000 hands were completely decimated aside budda statue. Susanoo armour is around 25% left, which later either evaporated or was called off by Madara. Now this clearly Indicates how greater is fire power of Madara compared to that of Hashirama.
Now we know that Madara charged in, had he run the other way to gain some distance, he could've gained some extra time for extra damage.
Simply put he would have more time to effectively attack Hashirama, thus causing more damage, he needed just a little more to win this. I would bet that extra 3 TBBs would do the job.

Now I don't wanna hear how Kurama isn't Madara's power. It is, its his summon he seized it with his power, just like Hashirama seizes nature power with his own. None of them was born with those powers, they simply have those options. Hashirama could also have biju on his side but so could Madara learn SM, he doesn't lack chakra for that either.
Side note: While SM is powerful, it takes time to prepare it, while all of Madara's attacks are instant and more powerful. He could easily deny SM and constantly interrupt it, until he kills him.

Well there is a little more but this is enough for now. Its just my honest view on how Madara could have used better his cards and win, because to my knowledge he's got all it takes to beat Hashirama. I do view him more powerful and better rounded for any combat situation.

So no bashing, nobody has to agree with me, but if you do, please state so.
And come at me...

 

[Isabella95]

If he is stronger then why did he lose?

(didn't read, just the title)

 

[Asami..]

None of the pages are working.
EDIT: Except for the last two..

 

[AlphaScythian]

If he is stronger then why did he lose?
(didn't read, just the title)

And if i copy all the reasons will u read then?

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara lost and that's all there is to it when discussing who is the stronger of the two. Madara already told the Gokage Hashirama is superior to him.

Hashirama>Madara.

 

[Wood Release]

None of the pages are working and 1000+ posts but not a single thread -.-"
And no, Hashirama > Madara

 

[AlphaScythian]

None of the pages are working.
EDIT: Except for the last two..

Oh sh*t... let me try to fix it

 

[GenKiDama]

Didn't read cuz I already knew it was bullshit from the title.

 

[rollin]

how would the fight have been if madara didn't have kurama

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Madara lost and that's all there is to it when discussing who is the stronger of the two. Madara already told the Gokage Hashirama is superior to him.

Hashirama>Madara.

Yep but we still go agianst what he said

 

[Hipster Madara]

What's flash tbb?
I'm getting this strange vibe from Madara for a long time so until we know his motive....

 

[AlphaScythian]

Does it work now?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

No, just no. Hashirama beat Madara, end of story. Oh, and guess what? For Madara to even compete with Hashirama, he had to get the Kyuubi, and that's the truth. Madara was inferior to Hashirama as a kid, teen and adult. He lost, that's his problem.

 

[Crow.]

You make a couple good points. But you're wrong when you said that am takes time, well not completely. It didn't look like Hashirama took any time at all to prepare his sage mode.

 

[AlphaScythian]

What's flash tbb?
I'm getting this strange vibe from Madara for a long time so until we know his motive....

Its a beam/laser one

 

[ghetto gladiator]

hashi owns him everytime, LITERALLY, it's about time you maddy fans accept reality that hashi is above maddy. even with sharingan whatever stage it was he couldnt see when hashi used the mokuton clone lol.point is though, if he had attacked the way you wanted him to attack, it would've been countered the same because it was written to be countered,,, next

 

[AlphaScythian]

You make a couple good points. But you're wrong when you said that am takes time, well not completely. It didn't look like Hashirama took any time at all to prepare his sage mode.

True it didnt took that much time for hashirama, but every second is precious when u have kyuubi on ur tail.

 

[bman1995]

Hashirama wasn't trying to kill Madara until like the very end whereas Madara was trying to kill from the start.

 

[AlphaScythian]

No, just no. Hashirama beat Madara, end of story. Oh, and guess what? For Madara to even compete with Hashirama, he had to get the Kyuubi, and that's the truth. Madara was inferior to Hashirama as a kid, teen and adult. He lost, that's his problem.

Im not questioning current outcome of the manga. Real question is, does madara have the cards to win another round if played right?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Hashirama wasn't trying to kill Madara until like the very end whereas Madara was trying to kill from the start.

Some people think madara did the same in this fight.