Why I believe Hashi was the best Hokage.

[Lightbringer]

I believe Hashirama was the best hokage, as a leader, not in terms of power. I say this because every other kage made some major flaw, which essentially made the conflict of present naruto.

This is just my own opinion, so we can all agree to disagree

PS: I'm not a hashi fan if you haven't noticed my Madara avatar XD

Tobirama-created edo tensei, which was then used by orochimaru to summon the first 2 hokages back and kill hiruzen, also used to bring back Madara. Created the Anbu, and the strife that followed between Uchiha and Senju, leading to the massacre.

Hiruzen-Orochimaru....nuff said lol and failed to quell the struggle between of Uchiha and senju. We don't know the exact details, but I'm sure that some agreement could have been compromised. But instead we got a massacre.

Minato-Tobi.....left children to carry out a solo mission in a world war -_- and also failed to protect Rin afterwards anyways.

Tsunade-useless, though didn't really add to the conflict.


Danzo-being danzo lol. uchiha massacre, helping hanzo betray Yahiko/akatsuki.

Hashirama-the only one who just ruled as a leader, and tried to establish peace in his village. I would assume it was his idea of the truce between Uchiha and Senju in the first place. He is the only hokage(aside for tsunade) that didn't do anything out of his own volition, which added to the current strife of naruto....as in something he could have changed that was in his power.

At least that's the way how I see it.

Any thoughts? Disagreements?

 

[OnPoint]

Hiruzen: 'failed to quell the struggle between of Uchiha and senju' - are you joking?

 

[Legendary Broly]

Yeah Hashi is the best xd

 

[Lightbringer]

Hiruzen: 'failed to quell the struggle between of Uchiha and senju' - are you joking?

Well didn't he? The massacre did happen during his reign.

 

[TheAwesomeOne]

I think Hashirama messed up when he didn't atleast share the title of Hokage with Madara, if he did, then Madara wouldn't have turned out the way he did lol

 

[Negative Knight]

So he's the best by default ? Didn't Hashirama create the chain of hatred which technically caused everything you listed above ?

Nah i would say Minato was the best, giving his life without not even a second consideration for his village shows true loyalty.

 

[Simple Math]

best minato

strongest hashi

 

[Lightbringer]

So he's the best by default ? Didn't Hashirama create the chain of hatred which technically caused everything you listed above ?

Nah i would say Minato was the best, giving his life without not even a second consideration for his village shows true loyalty.

The chain was created by the sages sons. It was the senju who offered the truce and Hashi fought Madara out of defense......I wouldn't call that giving sway to the chain of hatred. It was out of his control.

 

[Lightbringer]

I think Hashirama messed up when he didn't atleast share the title of Hokage with Madara, if he did, then Madara wouldn't have turned out the way he did lol

Good point

 

[OnPoint]

Well didn't he? The massacre did happen during his reign.

I don't think you understand - the death of many was unavoidable. The Coup d'etat was going to take place regardless of whether the two sides held talks to reach a compromise; IIRC, Hiruzen even tried to solve it with words. It was slaughter or be slaughtered. A bad Hokage wouldn't have done anything about it and allowed a civil war to form in his village.

 

[Lightbringer]

I don't think you understand - the death of many was unavoidable. The Coup d'etat was going to take place regardless of whether the two sides held talks to reach a compromise; IIRC, Hiruzen even tried to solve it with words. It was slaughter or be slaughtered. A bad Hokage wouldn't have done anything about it and allow a civil war to form in his village.

That's true....although, he was still the cause for Orochimaru.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

If Hashirama finished of Madara 100 years ago none of this would be happening

Konoha is to blame as well

Madara deserves his revenge im rooting for him

 

[OnPoint]

That's true....although, he was still the cause for Orochimaru.

Yeah he did mess up with regards to Orochimaru, but Hiruzen remains the village's most

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Hokage. He had a paternal love towards the people, even the Uchiha clan.

 

[Lightbringer]

If Hashirama finished of Madara 100 years ago none of this would be happening

Konoha is to blame as well

Madara deserves his revenge im rooting for him

lol me too, but I would assume that Hashi was fooled....hence why everyone believes Madara died in that battle; so it was technically out of his control.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yeah he did mess up with regards to Orochimaru, but Hiruzen remains the village's most

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Hokage. He had a paternal love towards the people, even the Uchiha clan.

Well I guess what I'm trying to say is that Hashi is the only one to not f*ck up and directly add to the current conflict. Something that was in his power to change.

 

[Gooner4life]

I disagree, Hashirama established the village but all of the work to make Konoha into the force it was today was done by Tobirama and Hiruzen.

Tobirama set up the ANBU which have actually done a good job, set up the academy, chunin exams etc., the ninja system was basically pioneered by him. Of course he will always have Edo Tensei against him but that is not his fault. That is like saying the Sage created ninjutsu so did the worst job because people used it all through out the wars.

Hiruzen basically helped the village grow, and led them through two shinobi world wars, making them the force they once were, the massacre had to be done, someone like Hiruzen wouldn't have allowed it to happen if there was an alternative, the Uchiha were determined to start a war that would create plenty more bloodshed, what they did was the lesser of two evils. The Orochimaru problem was admittedly a problem of his own making though.

You also don't give Tsunade enough credit. In her three short years she has had to deal with the Akatsuki's activity and when she came into power, the village was only recovering from the last invasion. She also set up the medical ninjustu system (albeit long before she became Hokage) a system that is vital in times of war.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

I don't agree with a few of your choices.

Hiruzen tried to use other measures to deal with the Uchiha Clan-- it was Danzo's fault to be honest here. Orochimaru being Hiruzen's fault i agree, because he could of stopped him several times; but chose not too.

Tsunade is useless? Really? She saved Sasuke and Kakashi from Itachi's Tsukuyomi. She became the 5th Hokage in order to create order in the village. She saved the retrieval team that was rescuing Sasuke from the Sound 5. Sasuke is a missing-nin usually you die because it's an act of betrayal against your village, yet she still didn't command any Anbu troops to kill him. She took Sakura under her wing and has made her into a somebody. She permit Naruto to take on difficult missions, when the elders warned her not too. She saved the whole population of the village from death, injuries, etc in the Pain Arc. She gave Naruto permission to participate in the War. That was pretty useless of you to forget.

I agree with Hashirama being a true leader. I feel Minato is the best thought, because Hashirama was the founder of the village. He basically was the root of all problems.

 

[natssuu]

Well Hashirama rejected Madara, and that's why he became evil and is now the biggest threat to the ninja world. He's not perfect either!

 

[dominicansharingan]

Hiruzen FACT

 

[Lightbringer]

Hiruzen FACT

lol it's just my opinion, not saying that he is undoubtedly the best regardless of what others say