Why I agree with Sasuke

[Zlatán]

there are problems with his thinking though. the current kages, besides onoki, aren't really the problem. as a matter of fact, all the current kage's have come to piece turms basically. killing them now would only undermine everything that has happened. also, the bijuu cannot be killed. not only that, but the bijuu have done nothing that would warrant their death. people are to blame for what has happened in the naruto verse. the bijuu are simply victims in their power struggle. considering how many wars there has been, the bijuu have been used in very little of their conflicts. even when they are in jins, the jins are usually very protected and can't even control their powers effectively. wanting change is not really the problem with his idea, but he doesn't know change has already begun. his way of just killing people who would appose him, is just not the answer. he would never be an effective leader. he would actually make it worst in my opinion.

Raikage is the worst for trying to kidnap Hinata to attain the byakugan leading to Neji fathers death and Kushina to take control of the kyuubi...

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I agree its not the bijuu's fault but there will always be conflict to attain the power of the bijuu's leading to war and the tailed beats regaining their hatreds.....

 

[WalksInShadows]

The Raikage is bad himself trying to kidnap Hinata to attain the byakugan leading to Neji fathers death

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according to the story, Kumo's head ninja acted alone in trying to kidnap Hinata. Yamato could've been simply assuming it was done on Ei's orders, and it's not like Konoha hasn't done its share of kidnapping.

 

[Sageflash]

How many times has Kishimoto-san had to emphasize that you cannot circumvent violence by using more violence? Sasuke is literally just changing the current evil system for his own, in which he's the dictator. He's now just a replica of Danzo.

Anybody who supports this is a Nazi descendant.

 

[King Of Pop]

it's ironic that you say MT only avoids the issue, but it solves everything completely(excluding the Zetsu transformation and stripping of free will) because every last person from the top to the bottom won't be doing anything to cause trouble, but Sasuke's way doesn't solve achieve anything in the least other than 5 village leaders being killed execution style. What makes it even more stupid is that the Kage aren't even at the very top of the totem pole of the system and can basically be replaced. That's something Sasuke and proponents of his "plan" fails to take into account, not to mention all that will come of it is him by the target of everyone's ire.

Who gives a monkey's left nut who Sasuke trusts? He's given every last person around him reason enough not to trust him...ever. He's just mad that Naruto has become the doted figure of the world and not him, that's what this is really about.like multiple antagonists in the story didn't already make any attempts at changing the world their way :vincent:

thats a bit stupid, sasuke truly wants to change this system, hes been stating that since he got to the battlefield. he said it to sakura and co, he referenced it when he was dying, and has repeated it again now even telling hagoromo. also he wanted to burn down the bijjus prevously which gave a hint etc. this is what he truly wants to achieve, and not because a petty reason like jealousy, sasuke doesnt give a rat ass whether naruto is the saviour or whateva, this is just his ideology.

 

[WalksInShadows]

thats a bit stupid, sasuke truly wants to change this system, hes been stating that since he got to the battlefield. he said it to sakura and co, he referenced it when he was dying, and has repeated it again now even telling hagoromo. also he wanted to burn down the bijjus prevously which gave a hint etc. this is what he truly wants to achieve, and not because a petty reason like jealousy, sasuke doesnt give a rat ass whether naruto is the saviour or whateva, this is just his ideology.

if that's the case, then he would have 0 problem in cooperating with Naruto. Seeing as though he's not interested in doing that, he clearly cares about getting the credit. What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[King Of Pop]

How many times has Kishimoto-san had to emphasize that you cannot circumvent violence by using more violence? Sasuke is literally just changing the current evil system for his own, in which he's the dictator. He's now just a replica of Danzo.

Anybody who supports this is a Nazi descendant.

yes because taking interest in something that is fictional and purely entertainment value in which 1 just wants to see how it all pans out as it not real life means thats really how one is real life? some of you are really stupid, you need to relax, its just a manga its not so serious.

OT. dont agree with his methods but i like his idea. bit violent tho, it could cause more problems but dont really care, just wanna see how it all unfolds.

 

[Ultimateone]

Raikage is the worst for trying to kidnap Hinata to attain the byakugan leading to Neji fathers death and Kushina to take control of the kyuubi...

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I agree its not the bijuu's fault but there will always be conflict to attain the power of the bijuu's leading to war and the tailed beats regaining their hatreds.....

i'm pretty sure A wasn't the raikage yet.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I agree with sasuke's plan but i think other ways could be found to solve whole bijuu and kage problem.
Beasts can be isolated from people and kages can be removed from power.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Now I shall tell you why I disagree with you OP.

1. Infinite tsukuyomi actually fixes the problems of the world. You may call it avoiding the problem or running away from it, but answer this question for me: If war and hatred and all other malice, cease to exist, then did it not solve the problem? I am sorry if I sound rude when I say this and I will try to say this next thing politely as I can, but:

Those people who say infinite tsukuyomi is running away from a problem actually really piss me off !! How is a dream world that you actually experience and that keeps you alive (so that you don't have to worry about dying from starvation or sickness or anything like that) any different from peace in the real world?! Actually, infinite tsukuyomi is even better because it would grant immortality as well as creating peace (if it weren't for that stupid white zetsu thing).

If America is sleeping and Russia is sleeping, then neither country can go to war! It solves the problem of war! How can you dare say that it doesn't?

Bottom line: If war and conflict are gone, then they are gone! Period!

2. You say that people don't like Sasuke's method because it is extreme. Was the infinite tsukuyomi not extreme? It started a whole freaking world war! Yet I and a lot of other people love the infinite tsukuyomi! Therefore it is not just hating on extremism.

3. I am sorry, but I utterly hate your stance on the bijuus! For one, the bijuus aren't the only sources of power that shinobi fight over! Remember the Hyuuga affair, the event that ultimately killed Neji's dad? That was due to conflict over the byakugan! Remember the Utakata filler arc? The conflict there was because of that powerful forbidden jutsu that could destroy entire villages!

Do you see where I am going with this? Sasuke's logic is stupid! If he is going to take the approach of eliminating sources of power that the villages fight over, he needs to target chakara as a whole (because even without the bijuu there will still be forbidden jutsus, coveted kekkei genkais and secret scrolls to be fought over)!

Yet this fool Sasuke is only going after the bijuus, 9 innocent creatures with actual lives! Killing them would solve nothing because of the presence of all of the other sources of power that I mentioned!

Do you know what would eliminate all of the sources while at the same time keeping everyone alive? I'll tell you what!

The infinite tsukuyomi would take care of that (ignoring the white zetsu thing)! The genjutsu would get rid of all the chakara, create peace and keep everyone alive!

But does Sasuke choose to support that? No! Instead he chooses actual murder of innocent beings whose demise solves nothing!

3. Your stance on the Kages is just terrible!!! You say the Kages are responsible for the state of the world, but check this out:

Gaara wasn't even born for the previous wars!
Mei and Tsunade were not Kages and had no say in the previous wars!

Onoki and Ay are logically the only ones that can receive some blame. As for the rest of the Kages throughout history, they are all dead already anyway!

Therefore, killing the Kages now would just be murder! Nothing less! It would also accomplish nothing! In fact, this generation of Kages is the first one to actually join forces! The sand and the leaf even have a pact together!

You say that they have used akautski, but that was their dead predecessors! Gaara hasn't used akautski! In fact he was killed once before by them! Konoha has actively worked to wipe out members of akautski. Kumo hasn't used akautski!

Also, Danzou is dead!

Conclusion: Sasuke makes no sense and yes I am sorry to sound mad, but just thinking about this crap does anger me a little!

Completely agree with everything you've said, also, the only kage that could be blamed for the last war would be Onoki, as I'm pretty sure Ay wasn't raikage yet, though I may be mistaken.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

killing the gokages will not make any difference but get rid of bijuus will.

 

[JStar King]

Kill the Kages and have 5 Nations hunt you down,yea that smart Sasuke the moron.

The five nations are fodder. Naruto is the only one who can take him on.

 

[lucario14]

If something doesn't work, doing the same thing again is crazy. The world needs a change but I disagree with his extremists methods. He probably has no choice because getting the world to agree with him is very hard considering what he's done and the type of person he is. This is the only possible way he can go about his revolution and honestly, it's pretty badass.