Why Hashirama > BM Naruto

[Avani]

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[jhuztin21]

speechless.

 

[F1N1X]

OK so, I've seen some people claiming BM Naruto surpasses all other Hokage's. This is possibly true except for when it comes to the 1st Hokage. BM Naruto cannot defeat Hashirama Senju. This is why:

'Hashirama Senju is considered by many as the most powerful shinobi of his time. He was greatly respected by most shinobi during his lifetime, such that Tobi claimed Hashirama was the one person whom he respected the most as well as detested. His prowess and abilities were so great that he was able to not only fight on equal footing with Madara Uchiha despite his power of Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan and having the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox at his side, but even gained victory in the end and survived the battle.'

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Hashirama did not use Kurama against Madara at ANY POINT in the battle. He simply wrestled it away from Madara and his wife sealed it inside of her. People think she then actively aided him in battle; no, she aided him because the 9 tails was locked away and couldn't be use by Madara. SIMPLE.

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Hashirama won against EMS Madara who had Kurama under his control. Dont forget this is Kurama with double the chakra (Yin chakra not sealed at the time). Hashirama controlled 7 tailed beasts at a point in time. 7. Base Naruto (no Kurama basically)< Madara. If Hashirama won, how on earth would Naruto beat him?

Hashirama can just suppress Kurama's chakra and a major source of Naruto's stamina and power is no longer available to him. Hence, BM and KM are rendered useless. Remember that necklace Tsunade passed down to Naruto which could control his Kyuubi chakra? Are you forgetting where it came from? Able to supress Kyuubi's chakra and look how small it is:

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Yamato was able to restrain 4 tailed Naruto with his Wood Release/Mokuton.

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Madara used his Wood Release to attack and kill nearly a whole army section. These Wood Releases' power is a small fraction of the power Hashirama is able to generate. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT HASHIRAMA'S MOKUTON CAN SUPRESS THE KYUUBI'S CHAKRA. Mokuton is the strongest KKG aside from the eye dojutsus. Yamato admitted he was nowhere near the level of Hashirama Senju, and Madara was able to use such a powerful Mokuton technique with his first try. Now imagine how strong Hashirama's mastered version was.

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Look at how many people have fought to get just a tiny bit of Hashirama's DNA. His chakra reserves were immense, and have subsequently allowed other shinobi's to amplify and control various other abilities. An entire Zetsu army was made out of his DNA. Tobi is flippin trying to grow another Hashirama for goodness sake:

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Hashirama also has Bringer of Darkness. Tell me WTF will Naruto do against that?

I'm not hating on Naruto or anything but people need to realise that Hashirama Senju would defeat him everytime.

All u said is true but u fail to see that,suppressing the 9tail is different from suppressing A jin who has the 9tail under his control already.....Without BM mode,he has KM mode in which,Naruto has the 9tails chakara as his own & the 9tail is locked by the SO6P justu..So he can't suppress what is already suppressedU_U..Am not saying that Naruto would win & am not still saying that the 1st would win..but Saga Naruto can hold his own against the 1st,& if he was to start with KM he would damage hashirama before,he realize itU_U..still the Bringer of Darkness can be countered when u get hold of the person,And sage mode can sense chakara so that should do it.still i need to see hashirama in action before i say anytinU_U

 

[GenKiDama]

I don't see how someone who beat ems and nine tails can lose to someone with the nine tails at half strength

 

[siyo]

Faulty logic bro.You base most of your argument on Hashirama's battle with Madara.You do know that Naruto is all about matchups, right? And a jinchuuriki is both faster and stronger than the tailbeast on its own i.e you can't compare the sharingan controlled kyuubi with BM Naruto who would simply blitz him. We also don't know how Hashi's wood would react to Naruto, because I wouldn't be surprised if it simply melted.....

Btw, Hiruzen had no control over any bijuu; or any KKG, yet he still surpassed any of the previous Hokage (lol, might not be relevant here, but thought I would just throw it out there..).

 

[teutonicknite]

I don't see how someone who beat ems and nine tails can lose to someone with the nine tails at half strength

No battle is won by just chakra levels... That said, no one really knows the xtent of hashirama's power not has naruto really used KM against another ninja... I'm hoping we'll see hashirama in action just to know how string he was..... Sadly kishi might want to keep him a legend! Ps. When orochimaru used edo on him, he didn't really go all out!(space and all)

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

BM Naruto who would simply blitz him.

Blitz him with half strength against the guy who won against full strength. Uhh..........

 

[Ryuu..]

Could someone explain to me how Naruto is going to dodge a Mokuton attack which created the entire hidden leaf forrest in one move?

 

[mas129]

Damn, was I late to the party. This all really comes down to whether Hashirama can suppress the Kyuubi's chakra, if he can than he probably will win (I'm assuming he can beat sage mode Naruto) but if he can't suppress it than he loses, no questions there right?

Personally I don't think he can't suppress the kyuubi' chakra while Naruto is a perfect jinjuriki of even while he has KM. With KM, Naruto has access to a pool of chakra which he can use whenever he likes. There if no way Hashirama can suppress this chakra. This is completely different to when the kyuubi goes berserk and Yamato suppresses him, what he does is put the kyuubi back in his cage and hence removes its affect.

In BM, imagine it like the nine tails roams free in Naruto's head, what can he use to suppress its chakra. If there is no seal/ cage, I really don't think he can but then again, the only person capable of making this decision it Kishi.

 

[siyo]

Blitz him with half strength against the guy who won against full strength. Uhh..........

You clearly didn't understand my post, or some parts of the manga (no offense) U_U

Beating Kyuubi =/=Beating BM naruto

 

[F1N1X]

Could someone explain to me how Naruto is going to dodge a Mokuton attack which created the entire hidden leaf forrest in one move?

 

[Ninpou]

Hashirama definately wins in my opinion cause the fight dosent start with Naruto in BM mode and even if he does use it, it would only enchance hasiramas wood elements powers. Narutos fast but i dont see hom dodging the formation of a whole forest.

 

[mas129]

Hashirama definately wins in my opinion cause the fight dosent start with Naruto in BM mode and even if he does use it, it would only enchance hasiramas wood elements powers. Narutos fast but i dont see hom dodging the formation of a whole forest.

doesn't need to dodge, he can blow it up

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[Nidaime Pupil]

Beating Kyuubi <=> Beating BM naruto

My bad if I didn't. (I probably didn't)

If
Beating the Kyuubi = Beating BM Naruto then I agree it makes sense.

If
Beating the Kyuubi =/= (does not equal) Beating BM Naruto then why not?

1. Hashirama has beaten the Kyuubi
2. Hashirama could beat Naruto without the Kyuubi
3. Somehow he loses to half the Kyuubi but Naruto combined?

I ask why? and how does this make sense?

ps. also this means you think Naruto = half the Kyuubi AT LEAST O_O

 

[Darth Atlas]

I thought the only reason Yamato could suppress his chakra was because of that necklace since it had hashiramas cells or something in it.

 

[atdarren]

Hashirama could win with his eye's closed

 

[siyo]

My bad if I didn't. (I probably didn't)
If
Beating the Kyuubi =/= (does not equal) Beating BM Naruto then why not?

1. Hashirama has beaten the Kyuubi
2. Hashirama could beat Naruto without the Kyuubi
3. Somehow he loses to half the Kyuubi but Naruto combined?

I ask why? and how does this make sense?

ps. also this means you think Naruto = half the Kyuubi AT LEAST O_O

My bad.

1. Hashirama gained control of the kyuubi, big difference.Nobody has actually managed to beat the kyubbi.

2.How do you come to that conclusion? As I said, the kyuubi on its own is weaker than the one controlled by Naruto.Naruto is faster, stronger, and can perform techniques much quicker than the fox itself e.g it took the kyuubi ages to form the TBB while Naruto did it in an instant.

3. A jinchuuriki is stronger than his beast (fact) and Naruto is a much smaller target to hit. Naruto is literally a flash so i have hard time imagining how you expect hashirama to suddenly cope with that? One Rasenshuriken or TBB should be enough to finish him.



I do.

 

[JordanM]

You made many good points, but you also forget that Naruto is now a perfect jinchuuriki, we don't know if Hashirama can repress his bijuu powers when he works together with the kyuubi.

I don't remember anyone ever saying Hashirama could use bringer of darkness, that's Tobirama's jutsu.

Even if he could repress a perfect jinchuuriki, He has to get close enough to touch Naruto to do it and with Nartuo's godlike speed that's easier said than done.

Naruto could dodge that attack rather easily, to catch Naruto Hashirama would have to focus on him, Naruto could spam his clones to distract him while hiding himself, or just flat out move to fast for the jutsu, we saw in the clip you gave us that the Wood jutsu was rather slow.

 

[Baka Sennin]

Naruto also has sage mode. and it's much stronger now that it was vs pain. it's also a perfect counter against the bringer of darkness technique. it's threat detection is also a great counter vs mokuton. and hashirama may have had a perfect body, but he can't eat a rasenshuriken and come out smiling.

hashirama beat ems madara. ems madara was a great ninja, but surpassed by others. i'd say hiruzen and minato, as well as naruto and sasuke now, can all beat him as well.

 

[Viewtiful]

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