Why Hashirama >>Ashura

[Senju Bean]

Hashirama was born a natural genius and Ashura was unskilled and had to work extremely hard and use the power of other people.

Why is this so?

It's simple.

In Samsara, one gets rewarded in the next life for doing the right things in the current life.

All of the weak Ashura's hard work paid off when he died and became the strong Hashirama. Ashura's reward? Raw Natural Strength.

Now, perhaps Hashirama got punished by having lost his powers when he got reincarnated into Naruto. What did he do wrong? idk perhaps it was because he was too naive, perhaps it was because he killed Madara instead of finding another solution. Who knows?

 

[Andy Bogard]

Well we never learned exactly how he died. It could also relate to the events prior to his death if we're going there, ey?

 

[scorezor]

oh well... it's you :|

 

[Punk Hazard]

Being born gifted does not mean that Hashirama ended with the same or higher level of power than Ashura worked for.

 

[GloriousTrainwreck]

If your theory is correct, then you'd be right about how he went wrong when he killed Madara. That wasn't supposed to happen; they were supposed to work together.

 

[Sentinel of Light Style]

No one ever claimed Hashirama was born a genius. Did you see his goofy character and idiotic ideas? I think he had to train just as hard as Ashura did.

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

Hashirama was born a natural genius and Ashura was unskilled and had to work extremely hard and use the power of other people.

Why is this so?

It's simple.

In Samsara, one gets rewarded in the next life for doing the right things in the current life.

All of the weak Ashura's hard work paid off when he died and became the strong Hashirama. Ashura's reward? Raw Natural Strength.

Now, perhaps Hashirama got punished by having lost his powers when he got reincarnated into Naruto. What did he do wrong? idk perhaps it was because he was too naive, perhaps it was because he killed Madara instead of finding another solution. Who knows?

Thats what i thought too, i thought that well why was Hashirama so badass even as a child, and its true when you do god things you're rewarded in the next life according to the Samsara, I think it was because he TRIED to kill madara, instead of sticking to his ideals he wavered for a second and put the village over everything. Including his "brother". Technically Hashirama continued the cycle at that point. Ashura/naruto would have fought hard but not resort to continuing the cycle of hatred.

 

[Senju Bean]

Being born gifted does not mean that Hashirama ended with the same or higher level of power than Ashura worked for.

You're right about that. But it did cut him some slack as Hashirama.

 

[SenninMinato]

Hashirama was born a natural genius and Ashura was unskilled and had to work extremely hard and use the power of other people.

Why is this so?

It's simple.

In Samsara, one gets rewarded in the next life for doing the right things in the current life.

All of the weak Ashura's hard work paid off when he died and became the strong Hashirama. Ashura's reward? Raw Natural Strength.

Now, perhaps Hashirama got punished by having lost his powers when he got reincarnated into Naruto. What did he do wrong? idk perhaps it was because he was too naive, perhaps it was because he killed Madara instead of finding another solution. Who knows?

Then why was naruto born not able to do a single shadow clown properly

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

No one ever claimed Hashirama was born a genius. Did you see his goofy character and idiotic ideas? I think he had to train just as hard as Ashura did.

Nah because he was always better than madara, he would win all their little competitions. He was still goofy, but in this life he was the genius and madara was the no good.

 

[Senju Bean]

Then why was naruto born able to do a single shadow clown properly

Because Hashirama killed Madara. He wasn't supposed to do that. Hence he got punished by having his powers stripped away from him.

 

[Gerkak]

Interesting thought. However there is a problem with your theory. Madara should have been very weak and sasuke should have been so weak he probably wouldn't be able to beat konohamaru. Since all indra's are a bad except sasuke. Then the indra reincarnations should have been getting punished by being far weaker than the last. Technically madara wouldn't have been able to even scratch hashirama. But clearly this isn't the case.

Aside from the above there is nothing to suggest that hashirama was in anyway stronger than ashura when both reached their prime.

 

[Senju Bean]

Thats what i thought too, i thought that well why was Hashirama so badass even as a child, and its true when you do god things you're rewarded in the next life according to the Samsara, I think it was because he TRIED to kill madara, instead of sticking to his ideals he wavered for a second and put the village over everything. Including his "brother". Technically Hashirama continued the cycle at that point. Ashura/naruto would have fought hard but not resort to continuing the cycle of hatred.

Precisely. Hashirama had great ideals but in the end, he wasn't able to follow through.

 

[SenninMinato]

Because Hashirama killed Madara. He wasn't supposed to do that. Hence he got punished by having his powers stripped away from him.

Now explain why Indra, madara and sasuke were born gifted. When clearly Indra and Madara were in the wrong.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

Naruto > Hashirama and Ashura?

Deal with it

I can tell you why Naruto can heal Certain deaths his Healing factor is beyond anything HE IS CHEATING DEATH he is GOD.
He mastered multiple Natures and KG and possible Kekkei Tota which is the Black Stuff as explained when Obitio used it.

They are nowhere is Par with Naruto currently No one is

 

[Senju Bean]

Interesting thought. However there is a problem with your theory. Madara should have been very weak and sasuke should have been so weak he probably wouldn't be able to beat konohamaru. Since all indra's are a bad except sasuke. Then the indra reincarnations should have been getting punished by being far weaker than the last. Technically madara wouldn't have been able to even scratch hashirama. But clearly this isn't the case.

Aside from the above there is nothing to suggest that hashirama was in anyway stronger than ashura when both reached their prime.

This is where the conumdrum takes place.


Perhaps one gets rewarded for what they strive for. Ashura for strength.

It's only when they do what is bad, with regards to their own internal philosophy that they get punished.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

That doesn't prove that Hashirama>Ashura. We know nothing of Ashura, just that he wasn't born with immense power, but he worked hard to become stronger. Just because the six paths and reincarnation was introduced doesn't mean Kishi put in everything about samsara.

 

[Senju Bean]

Now explain why Indra, madara and sasuke were born gifted. When clearly Indra and Madara were in the wrong.

Kayuga might have had something to deal with it. The mysterious figure at VOTE anyone?

 

[Gerkak]

This is where the conumdrum takes place.


Perhaps one gets rewarded for what they strive for. Ashura for strength.

It's only when they do what is bad, with regards to their own internal philosophy that they get punished.

Sasuke still should have been punished according to what you are saying since madara who was indra's reincarnation before sasuke not only went against indra's philosophy but completely violated the yin-yang cycle.

 

[take it easy]

Then why was naruto born not able to do a single shadow clown properly

coz kurama spoiled his chakra control