Why do Tsunade and Hiruzen fans use hypocrisy with regards to hype VS feats?

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Hypocrisy of Tsunade Fans
Basically, some Tsunade fans tend to put her above the likes of Hiruzen and Tobirama since neither two have shown enough feats with which they beat Tsunade. In other words, they hate using hype to put one above Tsunade if the aforementioned character doesn't have anything that can kill Tsunade.

On the other hand, in threads where Tsunade is pitted against someone of a lower level/rank, for example, Neji or Temari, those same Tsunade fans say that Tsunade stomps because she is a Hokage/Sannin. In other words, they tend to use hype to prove that Tsunade will win since she is obviously operating on a higher level than them.

Hypocrisy of Hiruzen Fans
Before Hashirama's flash back, those Hiruzen fans thought that Hiruzen was stronger based on feats because they assumed that since Hashirama had mediocre feats compared to Hiruzen in part 1, he'd still be weaker compared to Hiruzen in part 2 due to power scaling also increasing Hiruzen's power. They completely disregarded Hashirama's hype of being far above the Gokage as a collective unit yet accepted old Hiruzen's superiority to the five kages during his reign.

In conclusion: I'm not here trying to say that hype>feats or vice versa. What I'm trying to say is that you should be consistent in what you use to pass judgements and that you should be impartial in passing judgements for each character.
 
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OT: Tsunade and Hiruzen have fans?
 

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To be fair though, Tsunade can staomp anyone one of the K11, besides Naruto and Sasuke (maybe Lee)
 

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Hypocrisy of Tsunade Fans
Basically, some Tsunade fans tend to put her above the likes of Hiruzen and Tobirama since neither two have shown enough feats with which they beat Tsunade. In other words, they hate using hype to put one above Tsunade if the aforementioned character doesn't have anything that can kill Tsunade.

On the other hand, in threads where Tsunade is pitted against someone of a lower level/rank, for example, Neji or Temari, those same Tsunade fans say that Tsunade stomps because she is a Hokage/Sannin. In other words, they tend to use hype to prove that Tsunade will win since she is obviously operating on a higher level than them.

Hypocrisy of Hiruzen Fans
Before Hashirama's flash back, those Hiruzen fans thought that Hiruzen was stronger based on feats because they assumed that because Hashirama had mediocre feats compared to Hiruzen in part 1, he'd still be weaker compared to Hiruzen in part 2 due to power scaling also increasing Hiruzen's power. They completely disregarded Hashirama's hype of being far above the Gokage as a collective unit yet accepted old Hiruzen's superiority to the five kages during his reign.

In conclusion: I'm not here trying to say that hype>feats or vice versa. What I'm trying to say is that you should be consistent in what you use to pass judgements and that you should be impartial in passing judgements for each character.

I disagree with you in regards to the Hiruzen Fans.

As one of Hiruzens fans i only used his hype and reputation when debating his superiority to another character in the manga. I seldomly used his feats becasue any feat in part one pales in compairson to part two.

His hype and reputation makes him very powerful, not his feats. His feats only make him kage level.
 

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To be fair though, Tsunade can staomp anyone one of the K11, besides Naruto and Sasuke (maybe Lee)

People just like to underestimate her because she doesn't show the knowledge of ranged techniques or much jutsu in general. I don't see her not using what she obv knows some of making her weak, if she wanted to im sure she can use high level jutsu.
 

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OT: Tsunade and Hiruzen have fans?
They certainly do and yes Cyborg from Teen Titans is in my avatar and profile picture.
To be fair though, Tsunade can staomp anyone one of the K11, besides Naruto and Sasuke (maybe Lee)
I know this although some jounin levels may have counters to her abilities making it tougher on Tsunade's part.
Tsunade sucks, but Hiruzen doesn't.
No both of them are pretty strong and formidable opponents.
I disagree with you in regards to the Hiruzen Fans.

As one of Hiruzens fans i only used his hype and reputation when debating his superiority to another character in the manga. I seldomly used his feats becasue any feat in part one pales in compairson to part 2.
I know you are one of his fans but you have underrated Hashirama's reputation in order to bring Hiruzen up.
 

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Fans of any character will often hype them up unduly.
 

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OT: Tsunade and Hiruzen have fans?
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OT: So by that logic they use in the Tsunade section, she can beat Naruto or Sasuke. This thread for example made me laugh so ****ing hard: by zesto. Like there isn't any counter to that. XD

And for the Hiruzen section, his hype was debunked when Hashi was also called "GoS." His hype hype and feats pretty much outweighs Hiruzen for that matter.

Fans will be fans. Haters gonna hate. That's how it goes.
 

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First off i really didnt know that Tsunade had fans and second Im not really a fan of Tsunade or Hiruzen, but Tsunade scares the pee outta me wen she is pissed, (She can be the scariest person ever wen she is mad) ((ik completely off topic XD))
 

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i doubt Hiruzen has fans !
 

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I know you are one of his fans but you have underrated Hashirama's reputation in order to bring Hiruzen up.

The same goes for hasirama fans, they underrate others to make hash seem stronger (ex. edo madara)

And I NEVER underrated hashirama's reputation, but i have attempted to debunk some overhyping feats that HFB created for hashirama.
 

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Teen Titans, Go!

OT: So by that logic they use in the Tsunade section, she can beat Naruto or Sasuke. This thread for example made me laugh so ****ing hard: by zesto. Like there isn't any counter to that. XD

And for the Hiruzen section, his hype was debunked when Hashi was also called "GoS." His hype hype and feats pretty much outweighs Hiruzen for that matter.

Fans will be fans. Haters gonna hate. That's how it goes.

Im not looking for a argument or anything, but i would like you to explain to me how Hashirama being called GoS completely debunked Hiruzen's hype and Feats.

I dont see how it affected it at all so im just curious where see it at?
 

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Hypocrisy of Tsunade Fans
Basically, some Tsunade fans tend to put her above the likes of Hiruzen and Tobirama since neither two have shown enough feats with which they beat Tsunade. In other words, they hate using hype to put one above Tsunade if the aforementioned character doesn't have anything that can kill Tsunade.

On the other hand, in threads where Tsunade is pitted against someone of a lower level/rank, for example, Neji or Temari, those same Tsunade fans say that Tsunade stomps because she is a Hokage/Sannin. In other words, they tend to use hype to prove that Tsunade will win since she is obviously operating on a higher level than them.

Hypocrisy of Hiruzen Fans
Before Hashirama's flash back, those Hiruzen fans thought that Hiruzen was stronger based on feats because they assumed that since Hashirama had mediocre feats compared to Hiruzen in part 1, he'd still be weaker compared to Hiruzen in part 2 due to power scaling also increasing Hiruzen's power. They completely disregarded Hashirama's hype of being far above the Gokage as a collective unit yet accepted old Hiruzen's superiority to the five kages during his reign.

In conclusion: I'm not here trying to say that hype>feats or vice versa. What I'm trying to say is that you should be consistent in what you use to pass judgements and that you should be impartial in passing judgements for each character.

I agree I should for example not Go Tsunade cannot say Tsunade can beat Suigetsu simply because her titles sannin or kage or even because she was credited for being the reason konoha won the war. Rather I think more concrete evidence would be necessary. For instance, in the thread Shino versus Tsunade that you made. While Tsunade is of a higher caliber than he, under the conditions laid out you could not say that she would win using a justified belief.
 

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I think their both cool characters and have their own abilities but for one I think Hiruzen is a G jus for the simple fact that he was the oldest Hokage and managedto live longer then 1st,2nd and 4th..I mean yea the 2nd and 4th died with for a purpose.But every fan has their own beliefs in their favorite characters. I say live and let live
 

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HIRUZEN has loads of hype not a lot feats....

Tsunade lacks both yet some fans are crazy like rats over her
 
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