Was thinking why do they have the chunin exams so soon after barely becoming genins which doesn't especially make sense since the new genins also go against ninja teams who have seen real combat for many years.
Sasuke excelled in every stage of the exams.In the original series it was to show us other characters and villages, but apart from Temari/Shikamaru who can rationalise and possibly Sakura(has 3.5 in IQ) to some degree(not talkin about combat ability which is genin level), Shino's another who uses intellect and analysis, he also seems to have leadership qualities. Other than that none were worthy of becoming chunin.
It was just a plot point and done on the sensei's recommendation. It's also probably a safer way to expose the children to what is expected of them.
Naruto without his kyuubi hack and not sure without kakashis training if they would get as far in the exam as they did so there oen starting skill level was no where near able to compete with the top talent. Sasuke with h in s own skill tho was able to fill the gap.Sasuke excelled in every stage of the exams.
In phase 1 he was amongst those to deduce the true purpose of the test, and successfully gathered information from one of the two Chunin informants placed amongst the Genin.
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In phase 2 he outsmarted Oboro and even Orochimaru multiple times - chapter 46 & 49. Right afterward, when Iruka was explaining the qualities of a Chunin, it was heavily implied that Sasuke was Chunin level as he possessed both Heaven and Earth qualities.
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In phase 3, after Asuma, Izumo, & Kotetsu explained what's required of a Chunin, Genma directly stated that Sasuke was Chunin level.
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Even Kiba figured it out and he's not much smarter than Naruto. That's not good enough to become a chunin or squad leader.Sasuke excelled in every stage of the exams.
In phase 1 he was amongst those to deduce the true purpose of the test, and successfully gathered information from one of the two Chunin informants placed amongst the Genin.
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Orochimaru wasn't outsmarted he was testing the Uchiha talent, I don't know who Oboro is so I can't comment on him. Iruka didn't really meqn it like that he was talking about qualities a person needs, that in no way meant Sasuke had them at a level qhere he was worthy of being a chunin.In phase 2 he outsmarted Oboro and even Orochimaru multiple times - chapter 46 & 49. Right afterward, when Iruka was explaining the qualities of a Chunin, it was heavily implied that Sasuke was Chunin level as he possessed both Heaven and Earth qualities.
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If thay were true then Sasuke would've been made a chunin, just like Shikamaru. However, he wasn't because he only had the battle porwess at or above chunin level.In phase 3, after Asuma, Izumo, & Kotetsu explained what's required of a Chunin, Genma directly stated that Sasuke was Chunin level.
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Regardless of how intelligent you think the charactere are, Sasuke passed the first stage having met the requirements that the upper ninja placed. THAT is what's important.Even Kiba figured it out and he's not much smarter than Naruto. That's not good enough to become a chunin or squad leader.
You need to reread. Sasuke fooled him with the ninja poem password. After easedropping, Orochimaru tried disguising himself by transforming into Naruto, and reciting it. Little did he know, Sasuke created a lengthy password to fool transformed enemies into coming out in the open to recite it. Knowing there was no way the real Naruto would remember it. Afterward he outsmarted him with the Wire-Shuriken-Fire combo. Orochimaru was NOT acting surprised in his internal monologue.Orochimaru wasn't outsmarted he was testing the Uchiha talent,
I referenced and linked the chapter.I don't know who Oboro is so I can't comment on him.
He meant what i said. It's obvious through the dialogue & paneling like i explained. Based on the Oboro and Orochimaru points, you likely didn't even go back and check.Iruka didn't really meqn it like that he was talking about qualities a person needs, that in no way meant Sasuke had them at a level qhere he was worthy of being a chunin.
Drop the headcanon. Kishimoto had Jonin and Chunin observing the battles and giving their analysis and judgement on the participants. During this time a Chunin directly stated Sasuke was Chunin level. Like Iruka, providing no critique whatsoever. Sasuke being Chunin level combat wise is no surprise. Considering that earlier, he was already shown soloing the Demon Mist Brothers, who Kakashi said were Chunin. He could also use Fire style which is beyond Genin level.If thay were true then Sasuke would've been made a chunin, just like Shikamaru. However, he wasn't because he only had the battle porwess at or above chunin level.
Being a Chunin isn't just about battle prowess, it's about calm analytical panning, preserving your teams safety, while ensuring mission success. Sasuke had a part of all just not at a level worthy of being a legitumate chunin.
As did several others, in-fact everyone who didn't leave during Phase 1 passed the written exam.Regardless of how intelligent you think the charactere are, Sasuke passed the first stage having met the requirements that the upper ninja placed. THAT is what's important.
I think you should take it within context of the story. It was less that Sasuke is smarter than Orochimaru and more so that Orochimaru thought Sasuke was just a dumb kid like everyone else. He underestimated him because he thought too highly of himself and he was surprised that Sasuke surpassed his expectations. He didn't think he was in danger at any point or that he was being played. If anything you can compare Orochimaru to a teacher who asks a student a question and is then surprised, not because the answer was correct, but because the teacher was wrong in his assessment of the student's abilities.You need to reread. Sasuke fooled him with the ninja poem password. After easedropping, Orochimaru tried disguising himself by transforming into Naruto, and reciting it. Little did he know, Sasuke created a lengthy password to fool transformed enemies into coming out in the open to recite it. Knowing there was no way the real Naruto would remember it. Afterward he outsmarted him with the Wire-Shuriken-Fire combo. Orochimaru was NOT acting surprised in his internal monologue.
Iruka explained that a Chunin is required to have both intelligence and strength to properly lead a team, which is what the test was for. He didn't mean that if you have both of those you are instantly a fitting Chunin, which is why the exam was in multiple tests and not just one. Sasuke fails at the same thing he did during academy, teamwork and relying on others.He meant what i said. It's obvious through the dialogue & paneling like i explained. Based on the Oboro and Orochimaru points, you likely didn't even go back and check.
In terms of battle prowess, yes. In terms of other criteria required of a Chunin, no. Sasuke lacked in teamwork and the ability to work with others. This is clearly shown during the Chunin Exam as well when he doesn't trust Naruto and Sakura to fight for themselves and even when Naruto proves that he is better fit to fight at he time, Sasuke refuses it. In terms of personality he doesn't fit the critera of a Chunin.Kishimoto had Jonin and Chunin observing the battles and giving their analysis and judgement on the participants. During this time a Chunin directly stated Sasuke was Chunin level. Like Iruka, providing no critique whatsoever.
To specify, Kakashi was surprised that a Genin could use a Fireball Technique, not Fire Style in general. He was surprised because this usually requires more chakra than an average Genin has. Which is understandable as Sasuke is an Uchiha and isn't exactly average in that regard.He could also use Fire style which is beyond Genin level.
He was stated to lack mentally several times throughout Part 1, even back in his academy days as a kid. Sasuke never worked well with others and believed himself above them, he thought himself as superior and it hurt his ability to work with others. This is one of the reason why he was placed with Naruto. Because while Sasuke excelled at everything academically by himself, the one thing he failed at was the one thing Naruto excelled at, working with other people. This is an important criteria for a Shinobi of any rank, but its also an important criteria for advancement within the ranks.He wasn't lacking physically prior to the exams, and he was never stated to lack mentally during. Rather, the opposite.
As did several others, in-fact everyone who didn't leave during Phase 1 passed the written exam.
I did. Orochimaru specifically targetted Sasuke to test him, yet was completely fooled. Just because he didn't believe Sasuke would outsmart him doesn't mean he didn't put in any thought to deduce Sasuke's plans. He did and failed.I think you should take it within context of the story. It was less that Sasuke is smarter than Orochimaru and more so that Orochimaru thought Sasuke was just a dumb kid like everyone else. He underestimated him because he thought too highly of himself and he was surprised that Sasuke surpassed his expectations. He didn't think he was in danger at any point or that he was being played. If anything you can compare Orochimaru to a teacher who asks a student a question and is then surprised, not because the answer was correct, but because the teacher was wrong in his assessment of the student's abilities.
He learned the value of teamwork from Kakashi during the bell test and immediately applied it. Which is why Team 7 was even established. He then worked together with Naruto and Kakashi against Zabuza, with Naruto against Haku, and led Team 7 in the Forest of Death.Iruka explained that a Chunin is required to have both intelligence and strength to properly lead a team, which is what the test was for. He didn't mean that if you have both of those you are instantly a fitting Chunin, which is why the exam was in multiple tests and not just one. Sasuke fails at the same thing he did during academy, teamwork and relying on others.
Difference being we actually see that Sasuke was one of the people intelligent enough to deduce the true purpose of the test, and gain intel from a proper informant. He didn't get lucky like Naruto, Hinata, and some others.
I did. Orochimaru specifically targetted Sasuke to test him, yet was completely fooled. Just because he didn't believe Sasuke would outsmart him doesn't mean he didn't put in any thought to deduce Sasuke's plans. He did and failed.
He learned the concepts of teamwork in a controlled environment, that doesn't mean he holds it in high regards or that he will actually use it when its needed. It only means that he knows how to use it and is capable of using it. He can understand that in some cases its needed. That being said, he doesn't like it and he tries to avoid it as much as possible. You brought up the Zabuza fight where Sasuke and Naruto works together. However they only do so on the request of Naruto and Sasuke isn't exactly pleased with it, but admits there is no other way.He learned the value of teamwork from Kakashi during the bell test and immediately applied it. Which is why Team 7 was even established. He then worked together with Naruto and Kakashi against Zabuza, with Naruto against Haku, and led Team 7 in the Forest of Death.
In terms of battle prowess? Yes. In terms of intellect? Yes. In the terms of guts? Yes. In terms of teamwork? No, not by a long shot.but again, the explanation, paneling, and prior events made it clear Sasuke was Chunin level.
Did you just put Sakura in one of the people who should've been chunin....She was weak af at that point...In the original series it was to show us other characters and villages, but apart from Temari/Shikamaru who can rationalise and possibly Sakura(has 3.5 in IQ) to some degree(not talkin about combat ability which is genin level), Shino's another who uses intellect and analysis, he also seems to have leadership qualities. Other than that none were worthy of becoming chunin.
It was just a plot point and done on the sensei's recommendation. It's also probably a safer way to expose the children to what is expected of them.
Strength wasn't a prerequisite to becoming chunin.Did you just put Sakura in one of the people who should've been chunin....She was weak af at that point...
It was why the hell would they make a weak person chunin she would get killed by any shinobi on chunin level...Strength wasn't a prerequisite to becoming chunin.
That is irrelevant in the context of the test. The test wasn't one of intellect, but one of comrade and guts. A shinobi shouldn't put their own life ahead of others and the mission. That was the purpose of the test and those that didn't put themselves ahead of the mission and had the guts to risk everything on a victory passed it.
I never said he was smarter. I simply acknowledged that he outsmarted Orochimaru.And as I said, in the context of the story its a action between that of a teacher and a student where the teacher expects the student to be able to pass to be worthy of recognition, but the teacher never actually thought they would pass as they underestimated the student. Answering 5% of the question where as the teacher knows 100% of them doesn't mean you're smarter than them.
He was all for teamwork. He never disagreed when Naruto requested his help. He was just surprised Naruto came up with a good plan.He learned the concepts of teamwork in a controlled environment, that doesn't mean he holds it in high regards or that he will actually use it when its needed. It only means that he knows how to use it and is capable of using it. He can understand that in some cases its needed. That being said, he doesn't like it and he tries to avoid it as much as possible. You brought up the Zabuza fight where Sasuke and Naruto works together. However they only do so on the request of Naruto and Sasuke isn't exactly pleased with it, but admits there is no other way.
Naruto was unconscious....Sasuke combated Haku while protecting him. What teamwork can be had with an unconscious body? When Naruto first arrived Sasuke was glad thinking they could work together. He (himself) could fight from within while Naruto from the outside of the Ice Mirrors. When Naruto messed that up by going in Sasuke scolded him.That right there isn't him acknowledging teamwork, but admitting that his power isn't enough at the moment. Ironically he breaks what Kakashi thought him during the Zabuza arc too when he almost dies trying to save Naruto.
What are you talking about? He led his team in the Forest. What he didn't want to do was fight Orochimaru because he knew he was out of their league. Against Gaara, Genma ordered him to hunt him down. By the time Naruto arrived Sasuke was out of commission. He never refused teamwork.During the Chunin Exam we see this yet again. He refused to work with Naruto and didn't even think to work with Sakura, treating her as she was beneath him constantly. In the end when the Sand attacked he went to face Gaara alone and refused help, but had to admit defeat when his body gave in. He had to pass out for him to even remotely think of accepting teamwork.
I was speaking about during the Chunin exams. Not after. Nonethless, he left to warn Naruto that Itachi was after him. Not to fight. It just so happened that Itachi made it to Naruto right before he did. As for Kakashi, he didn't suggest that Sasuke work with comrades to achieve revenge, he directly told Sasuke to forget about revenge.He then went on ahead to fight Itachi by himself without asking for help, much to Naruto's dismay. Then we have him leaving the village which was one big kick to the guts as far as teamwork is concerned. He wanted to defeat Itachi no matter what, but instead of following Kakashi's advice to stay on Konoha and get help from his friends, he went on ahead by himself. He entirely left behind the concept of teamwork.
Like Shikamaru?It was why the hell would they make a weak person chunin she would get killed by any shinobi on chunin level...
It was about intellect, gathering correct information, and the stuff you mentioned.
I never said he was smarter. I simply acknowledged that he outsmarted Orochimaru.
He was all for teamwork. He never disagreed when Naruto requested his help. He was just surprised Naruto came up with a good plan.
Naruto was unconscious....Sasuke combated Haku while protecting him. What teamwork can be had with an unconscious body? When Naruto first arrived Sasuke was glad thinking they could work together. He (himself) could fight from within while Naruto from the outside of the Ice Mirrors. When Naruto messed that up by going in Sasuke scolded him.
What are you talking about? He led his team in the Forest. What he didn't want to do was fight Orochimaru because he knew he was out of their league. Against Gaara, Genma ordered him to hunt him down. By the time Naruto arrived Sasuke was out of commission. He never refused teamwork.
He did, and what happened when did get to Naruto? He rushed in by himself. Something he has done in almost every single fight he has been in. He did it against Kakashi in training, he did it against the two Mist Assassins, he did it against Zabuza and Haku, he did it against every opponent in the Chunin Exam and he did it after the Hidden Sand attacked. He did it against Deidara, he did it against Itachi, he did it against Killer Bee, he did it against the Gokage and so on. The only time we see him calm down and work together with someone from the get-go is with Itachi and in some rare instances with Naruto like in the first fight with Zabuza.I was speaking about during the Chunin exams. Not after. Nonethless, he left to warn Naruto that Itachi was after him. Not to fight. It just so happened that Itachi made it to Naruto right before he did. As for Kakashi, he didn't suggest that Sasuke work with comrades to achieve revenge, he directly told Sasuke to forget about revenge.