Why do SB downright ignore sasuke getting free powerups but accuse other characters.

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How about you quote me instead of being sublime, no?

Honestly grouping me with others because we share a similar interest in Sasuke is quite unnecessary, how about you judge someone based of your interactions with the individual rather than not liking someone because of different interests & judging them off a group you think they should be judged along with. Just a suggestion though bud, it's your life.
You got the point no?
But honestly I hate long arguments that's why and trust me I've had my fair amount of interactions with you to judge you. But again tbh its all about how we perceive others and you're absolutely free tho think the same of me and I can't change that.
 

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Insulting someone because of a simple question? Honestly I thought after our other discussion we were more cordial. Seems I've misjudged you.

When others told me that you were mentally… "challenged" I decided that I'd make my own conclusions. However, perhaps, that was my mistake, no?

Mentally challenged because I choose to logically be against what the majority sees at correct? When I debate I look at things from different angles and possible loopholes and if there is undeniable evidence I am prone to agree.

Your usually fulminating in your responses. I don't have any qualms being civil
 

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Mentally challenged because I choose to logically be against what the majority sees at correct? When I debate I look at things from different angles and possible loopholes and if there is undeniable evidence I am prone to agree.

Your usually fulminating in your responses. I don't have any qualms being civil
I'm usually fulminating when you insulted me first. How ironic. Oh and since you love definitions & grammar, you used the wrong word, I believe you meant you're*.

You're welcome, and please save any reasons pertaining to why you used the incorrect word. It's honestly irrelevant, I was just trying to help you out, that was nice of me, no?
 
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Gaining EMS has always been an Uchiha custom. Madara with Izuna's eyes and Sasuke with his brothers. Is it a handout? Yeah, I guess you could call it that, but it still has a more valid excuse than Naruto gaining Kurama. It has never been stated that the Uzumaki clan practice gaining Bijuu and making people into Jinchuriki. The only explanation for why Naruto was able to attain Kurama was because of his half Uzumaki lineage, and because his parents believed that he could control it someday.

It's funny how the OP is only targeting Sasuke for doing this when Madara has also did this, but that still doesn't make you right considering that Uchiha's are known for plugging eyeballs into each other to gain new light. It literally says this in the manga, so I don't see why people have a problem with this or try to argue it.
 

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Gaining EMS has always been an Uchiha custom. Madara with Izuna's eyes and Sasuke with his brothers. Is it a handout? Yeah, I guess you could call it that, but it still has a more valid excuse than Naruto gaining Kurama. It has never been stated that the Uzumaki clan practice gaining Bijuu and making people into Jinchuriki. The only explanation for why Naruto was able to attain Kurama was because of his half Uzumaki lineage, and because his parents believed that he could control it someday.

It's funny how the OP is only targeting Sasuke for doing this when Madara has also did this, but that still doesn't make you right considering that Uchiha's are known for plugging eyeballs into each other to gain new light. It literally says this in the manga, so I don't see why people have a problem with this or try to argue it.
Pretty much my point. It's their birthright to "gain" the light if they lose it. Why? They have the genetic predisposition to attain it. EMS wouldn't be a birthright if their genetics didn't allow it. When they do. Uchihas were known to abuse Izanagi and Izanami and keep stashes of spares to use light again. They used Sharigan of fallen comrades to learn its secrets.

I am shocked that this is even compared to the Tailed Beasts. It doesn't even make any sense.
 

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Seriously in most of the debates SB downright ignores that without itachi sasuke would be nothing, he would have went blind and eating dirt all the while if it wasnt for itachi's eyes and Obito implanting them.
But they will sure bring up things like naruto's kurama or kakashi's sharingan, etc etc but wont listen or -rep them if someone mentions sasuke has Itachi's eyes.
If you wanna debate about who wins without any powerups and all then please exclude everything sasuke got because of itachi or other characters helping him(orochimaru) instead of just ignoring sasuke's free powerups and excluding all from the opponent to have an advantage.
I know, it's sad. Hypocrisy at its finest. But that's SB for ya. smh.
 

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Gaining EMS has always been an Uchiha custom. Madara with Izuna's eyes and Sasuke with his brothers. Is it a handout? Yeah, I guess you could call it that, but it still has a more valid excuse than Naruto gaining Kurama. It has never been stated that the Uzumaki clan practice gaining Bijuu and making people into Jinchuriki. The only explanation for why Naruto was able to attain Kurama was because of his half Uzumaki lineage, and because his parents believed that he could control it someday.

It's funny how the OP is only targeting Sasuke for doing this when Madara has also did this, but that still doesn't make you right considering that Uchiha's are known for plugging eyeballs into each other to gain new light. It literally says this in the manga, so I don't see why people have a problem with this or try to argue it.
People would say that Madara worked and gained for his powers, it's not like Sasuke wanted the powers just to have fun.
 

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The main issue is that people always bring up the argument that Sasuke never worked for his MS or EMS which is simply fallacious. What's even more ridiculous is when Naruto wankers are called out for Sasuke fans claiming that Naruto grew up having a free power-up and could only stalemate Sasuke with his free power-up which is entirely true, so Naruto wankers go to great depths to claim how "Sasuke can only compete with Naruto and Kurama with Itachi's eyes," without even beginning to understand that Itachi's eyes was never a freebie in the first place.

Was Shisui's eye a freebie? Mostly, yes. Was Izuna's eye a freebie, yes. Was Itachi's eye a freebie, no? What makes Sasuke's situation different from Itachi's and Madara's? The fact that those eyes were literally handed to them whereas Sasuke literally risked his life for Itachi's eyes and earned it.

So when Sasuke fans do claim how Naruto relied on a free power-up to stalemate Sasuke who worked hard for all of his abilities, that is the truth.
 

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He had it since birth. An heirloom of the Uzumaki family basically. Not to mention its literally his destiny. Could go on and on.
It was never meant to be a family tradition. Kushina nor Minato intended Naruto to be a Jinchuuriki and that's even clearer when Kushina was from some random village and chosen based on her vitality, not because she was within a specific family.
 

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It was never meant to be a family tradition. Kushina nor Minato intended Naruto to be a Jinchuuriki and that's even clearer when Kushina was from some random village and chosen based on her vitality, not because she was within a specific family.
All Kyuubis jins are Uzumaki. And Narutos destiny was to be a psuedo jin. It was literally his birthright. He wasnt a day in this world without the kyuubi. its adormant power much like the sharingan waiting to be awakened. if you cant see that then you are just biased.
 

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All Kyuubis jins are Uzumaki. And Narutos destiny was to be a psuedo jin. It was literally his birthright. He wasnt a day in this world without the kyuubi. its adormant power much like the sharingan waiting to be awakened. if you cant see that then you are just biased.
It was Naruto's birthright because he was an Ashura Transmigrant and the Child of Prophecy, so he certainly is an exception to that rule.

All Rinnegan users possesses the Uchiha's Spiritual Energy, so I guess the Rinnegan is a power that Uchihas naturally possesses as well.

You're the one being biased. If Naruto didn't receive Kurama, then how would he be able to release Kurama's Chakra with training? With the Uchiha's KKG, the special chakra needed to awaken the Sharingan is a dormant power, but the same doesn't apply to Naruto or Kushina.

I'm not being biased, I'm just stating pure facts.
 

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It was Naruto's birthright because he was an Ashura Transmigrant and the Child of Prophecy, so he certainly is an exception to that rule.

All Rinnegan users possesses the Uchiha's Spiritual Energy, so I guess the Rinnegan is a power that Uchihas naturally possesses as well.

You're the one being biased. If Naruto didn't receive Kurama, then how would he be able to release Kurama's Chakra with training? With the Uchiha's KKG, the special chakra needed to awaken the Sharingan is a dormant power, but the same doesn't apply to Naruto or Kushina.

I'm not being biased, I'm just stating pure facts.
I am not biased. Its his birthright for the simple reason that his parents left him the kyuubi sealed within his body with the key. In your mind birthrights are restricted to genes and lineage. I am giving you several different reasons why Naruto having the kyuubi is as much a birthright as Sasukes Sharingan.
 

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Birth·Right
ˈbərTHˌrīt/Submit
noun
a particular right of possession or privilege one has from birth, especially as an eldest child.
synonyms: patrimony, inheritance, heritage;


KEY WORD INHERITENCE and From Birth
Privilege

: a right or benefit that is given to some people and not to others

right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor : prerogative; especially : such a right or immunity attached specifically to a position or an office


I feel like definitions need to more specific because I could argue that because he was an Uzumaki and was able to contain Kurama without dying was the reason why it could but consider a privilege. Also as an Uzumaki (as established by the superiors), they were given the positioning and duty of being jins for Kurama. Whether that's considered a gift or not is subjective but eh... I digress


Anyway, I see what you're saying though

The argument is he didn't inherit Kurama from his mother
 

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There is no arguement. 0 years old Naruto was left the Kyuubi since birth from his parents. Case closed. Tell haters keep hatin
Meh, the only person here putting up any logical argument was PDG but I myself like going off dictionary definitions and the manga scans that were posted in the other thread back up the dictionary definitions leaning toward Kurama being a birthright. If Sasuke was in Naruto's position, I'd be saying the same thing and I'm pretty sure they'd (SB) would be agreeing with me
 

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Meh, the only person here putting up any logical argument was PDG but I myself like going off dictionary definitions and the manga scans that were posted in the other thread back up the dictionary definitions leaning toward Kurama being a birthright. If Sasuke was in Naruto's position, I'd be saying the same thing and I'm pretty sure they'd (SB) would be agreeing with me
A birth right is something left to you by your parents. Or something you recieve out of being in line of liniege. Either way its something left behind to a child.

A right of possession, or priveledge. Naruto matches all these categories
 

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I am not biased. Its his birthright for the simple reason that his parents left him the kyuubi sealed within his body with the key. In your mind birthrights are restricted to genes and lineage. I am giving you several different reasons why Naruto having the kyuubi is as much a birthright as Sasukes Sharingan.
Naruto's birthright being Kurama doesn't equate to it being the birthright of an Uzumaki as like I've already stated, he's Ashura's Transmigrant and Child of Prophecy who had destiny favor him over everyone else in the NV aside from Sasuke. Under normal conditions, the Uzumaki wouldn't have been required to have been Kurama's host.

It's very clear that Kurama is not the Uzumaki's birthright because it's not a natural or moral right that is possessed by everyone in the Uzumaki clan. Is the Sharingan a natural or moral right possessed by the Uchiha? Yes. Why? Because they all possess that dormant chakra that is linked to the Sharingan. No such thing is indicated with the Uzumakis.

That's the difference. Just because Kurama was Naruto's birthright =/= Kurama being the Uzumaki's birthright.
 
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