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Think that Aizen didn't know about Ulq's 2nd form? First of all Aizen made the Espada that means he made EVERYTHING about them. Secondly WE never saw Ulq show Aizen his 2nd form, that doesn't mean that Aizen never saw it, it just means we never saw him see it. Aizen has known about everything in this manga why do you assume Ulq could hide a secret from him in a place where Aizen could see everything? It's lunacy.
 

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Because he planned everything that ichigo did, he planned his fights, he planned his birth, he planned everything, Lord Aizen Sama knew that ichigo would fight against Ulq and eventually go hollow mode, he knew that ulq had the second form, he knew that you were born, he knows everything, Lord Aizen Sama is Love, Lord Aizen Sama Life.
 

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Because manga facts?

Also why do people care about this again? Let it go, if Aizen didn't know then he didn't if he did then he did.

Aizetsun however planned the entire universal design, #Allaccordingtoplan
 

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Because manga facts?

Also why do people care about this again? Let it go, if Aizen didn't know then he didn't if he did then he did.

Aizetsun however planned the entire universal design, #Allaccordingtoplan
 

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Because he planned everything that ichigo did, he planned his fights, he planned his birth, he planned everything, Lord Aizen Sama knew that ichigo would fight against Ulq and eventually go hollow mode, he knew that ulq had the second form, he knew that you were born, he knows everything, Lord Aizen Sama is Love, Lord Aizen Sama Life.
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Because he planned everything that ichigo did, he planned his fights, he planned his birth, he planned everything, Lord Aizen Sama knew that ichigo would fight against Ulq and eventually go hollow mode, he knew that ulq had the second form, he knew that you were born, he knows everything, Lord Aizen Sama is Love, Lord Aizen Sama Life.
He planned to fail. U_U
 

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The only way and i mean the only way Ulqiorra could have hid his 2nd release from Aizen is if he had never released it before. If it hasn't happened Aizen can't know about it. Aizen was a troll in knowing everything but he could not see the future. But with that being said it doesn't mean he didn't realize it until Ulqiorra released his true form. Also, remember Ulqiorra stated that Espadas were not allowed to release inside the dome. It could be that Aizen didn't have any clue what happened outside of the dome since he didn't need to care of such a thing.
 

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It's not that hard to realize that if Aizen knew about his Segunda Etapa then he would be higher than Harribel, at the least. You trying to imply that if he knew about Segunda Etapa, and still was placed as number 4 is where you should quit life.

Haters can keep acting like Seguna is weak, but in actuality it is above any other release that was shown.
 

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It's not that hard to realize that if Aizen knew about his Segunda Etapa then he would be higher than Harribel, at the least. You trying to imply that if he knew about Segunda Etapa, and still was placed as number 4 is where you should quit life.

Haters can keep acting like Seguna is weak, but in actuality it is above any other release that was shown.
Unless Aizen wanted Ulq to think he had been able to keep it a secret.
 

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It's not that hard to realize that if Aizen knew about his Segunda Etapa then he would be higher than Harribel, at the least. You trying to imply that if he knew about Segunda Etapa, and still was placed as number 4 is where you should quit life.

Haters can keep acting like Seguna is weak, but in actuality it is above any other release that was shown.
Awww looks like I hurt someone's little feelings. Aizen made Ulq which means he made the ability to unlock segunda etapa, Ulq didn't magically create some new form, Aizen an the Hyogoku are the reason they even exist. Aizen knew everything about all of them and placed them accordingly. Since you like to play the hypothetical game and assume Aizen had no idea about it let's use this hypothetical, all Espda can unlock a Segunda Etapa form under the right conditions and Ulq was the first to unlock it, Stark would still be stronger when he gets his, see hypotheticals are easy.
 

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Awww looks like I hurt someone's little feelings. Aizen made Ulq which means he made the ability to unlock segunda etapa, Ulq didn't magically create some new form, Aizen an the Hyogoku are the reason they even exist. Aizen knew everything about all of them and placed them accordingly. Since you like to play the hypothetical game and assume Aizen had no idea about it let's use this hypothetical, all Espda can unlock a Segunda Etapa form under the right conditions and Ulq was the first to unlock it, Stark would still be stronger when he gets his, see hypotheticals are easy.
I'm just calling you out on your bullshit, and still you can't prove me wrong on what I said. Look at you now, pulling out the "It seems like I hurt your feelings card" Lol please kid. This is NB. No one can hurt my feelings on here, but people can disagree on here, which is something that you can't seem to handle and looking like a child responding to me. This meaningless conversation aside..

If Aizen knew about his resurrection then he wouldn't be number 4. That simple really. I mean, even someone with your level of intelligence can figure that out..oh wait.. you didn't..

Also, you mentioning that if Aizen made Ulquiorra then would know about the second release. If that's the case then why is Ulquiorra the only one to awaken it. If Aizen was smart then he would have gave Starrk, Barragan and Harribel a second releases as well.

I would love for you to throw me a panel that states that Aizen knows about his second release that debunks what Ulquiorra has stated. I'm pretty sure that if Ulquiorra knew that if Aizen made him, then he would also know that Aizen knew about his second release, which means that he would have never made that comment.

Just because you create something, it does not mean that you know all the secrets behind what you created.


And look at you now, trying to change this argument up and assume that if Starrk had a second release that he would be stronger, but that's not the original point of the thread, and you are trying to sway away because you have no real point.

If you would even dare to actually read the manga, you would understand that the Espada are ranked based on their abilities and/or their reatsu. Please prove to me that Harribels abilities and energy is above R2 Ulquiorra, or just sit down.
 

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I'm just calling you out on your bullshit, and still you can't prove me wrong on what I said. Look at you now, pulling out the "It seems like I hurt your feelings card" Lol please kid. This is NB. No one can hurt my feelings on here, but people can disagree on here, which is something that you can't seem to handle and looking like a child responding to me. This meaningless conversation aside..

If Aizen knew about his resurrection then he wouldn't be number 4. That simple really. I mean, even someone with your level of intelligence can figure that out..oh wait.. you didn't..

Also, you mentioning that if Aizen made Ulquiorra then would know about the second release. If that's the case then why is Ulquiorra the only one to awaken it. If Aizen was smart then he would have gave Starrk, Barragan and Harribel a second releases as well.

I would love for you to throw me a panel that states that Aizen knows about his second release that debunks what Ulquiorra has stated. I'm pretty sure that if Ulquiorra knew that if Aizen made him, then he would also know that Aizen knew about his second release, which means that he would have never made that comment.

Just because you create something, it does not mean that you know all the secrets behind what you created.


And look at you now, trying to change this argument up and assume that if Starrk had a second release that he would be stronger, but that's not the original point of the thread, and you are trying to sway away because you have no real point.

If you would even dare to actually read the manga, you would understand that the Espada are ranked based on their abilities and/or their reatsu. Please prove to me that Harribels abilities and energy is above R2 Ulquiorra, or just sit down.
If Aizen knew about his resurrection then he wouldn't be number 4. That simple really.

Or

Aizen knew about his powers since he created them and still ranked him number 4 a fact which butt hurt emotional types like yourself can't accept.

No one can hurt my feelings on here

So you get this defensive and belligerent when you aren't upset, you must be quite the miserable prick when you are "upset"

If that's the case then why is Ulquiorra the only one to awaken it. If Aizen was smart then he would have gave Starrk, Barragan and Harribel a second releases as well.

We don't know that he didn't. You assume he didn't create the power and assume he didn't know Ulq had it I assume the opposite. I assume it because the mangaka has said and shown throughout his pages that Aizen knew everything that would happen besides Ichigo. Yammy had a 2nd release essentially when he changed why do you Ulq nerds never bring up the fact that even the worst Espada had a 2nd form yet you still act like they all wouldn't.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. just because Kubo decided he didn't need to show every Espada's 2nd form, since he showed 2 already, doesn't mean they didn't have one. A lot of Shinigami haven't been shown using Kido does that mean they can't do any.

Please prove to me that Harribels abilities and energy is above R2 Ulquiorra,

Prove it isn't, you and your ilk make the claim that Ulq is stronger than the higher ranked Espada, burden of proof is on those making the claim. The manga already told us that Ulq is below them you just refuse to accept it because you liked what you saw from Ulq more than what you saw from the others. You're letting your personal bias distort how you interpret the manga. Stark is above Ulq so say Kubo so all your whining won't convince anyone otherwise and Aizen granted the Espada their life and their powers, all of them, if you have any substantial way to refute it do show us, otherwise take your own advice and stop making yourself look bad.
 
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If Aizen knew about his resurrection then he wouldn't be number 4. That simple really.

Or

Aizen knew about his powers since he created them and still ranked him number 4 a fact which butt hurt emotional types like yourself can't accept.

No one can hurt my feelings on here

So you get this defensive and belligerent when you aren't upset, you must be quite the miserable prick when you are "upset"

If that's the case then why is Ulquiorra the only one to awaken it. If Aizen was smart then he would have gave Starrk, Barragan and Harribel a second releases as well.

We don't know that he didn't. You assume he didn't create the power and assume he didn't know Ulq had it I assume the opposite. I assume it because the mangaka has said and shown throughout his pages that Aizen knew everything that would happen besides Ichigo. Yammy had a 2nd release essentially when he changed why do you Ulq nerds never bring up the fact that even the worst Espada had a 2nd form yet you still act like they all wouldn't.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. just because Kubo decided he didn't need to show every Espada's 2nd form, since he showed 2 already, doesn't mean they didn't have one. A lot of Shinigami haven't been shown using Kido does that mean they can't do any.

Please prove to me that Harribels abilities and energy is above R2 Ulquiorra,

Prove it isn't, you and your ilk make the claim that Ulq is stronger than the higher ranked Espada, burden of proof is on those making the claim. The manga already told us that Ulq is below them you just refuse to accept it because you liked what you saw from Ulq more than what you saw from the others. You're letting your personal bias distort how you interpret the manga. Stark is above Ulq so say Kubo so all your whining won't convince anyone otherwise and Aizen granted the Espada their life and their powers, all of them, if you have any substantial way to refute it do show us, otherwise take your own advice and stop making yourself look bad.
Damn you're too slow for me.

Anyone with common sense can see that Ulquiorra has displayed better feats than Harribel who was having trouble with shitty Toshiro, while R1 Ulquiorra was b!tch slapping Hollowfied Ichigo in bankai form.

Butthurt? Yes, says the kid whose smashing his keyboard with meaningless words and still can't prove his point.

You're also a literal thinker. You can't look at feats because you know that feats are stronger than words so you dismiss it because it doesn't suit you.
 
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Damn you're too slow for me.

Anyone with common sense can see that Ulquiorra has displayed better feats than Harribel who was having trouble with shitty Toshiro, while R1 Ulquiorra was b!tch slapping Hollowfied Ichigo in bankai form.

Butthurt? Yes, says the kid whose smashing his keyboard with meaningless words and still can't prove his point.

You're also a literal thinker. You can't look at feats because you know that feats are stronger than words so you dismiss it because it doesn't suit you.
"Anyone with common sense can see that Ulquiorra has displayed better feats than Harribel who was having trouble with shitty Toshiro, while R1 Ulquiorra was b!tch slapping Hollowfied Ichigo in bankai form."

I'm sorry you think you have more common sense then the creator of this manga. Again all of your crying will never change Kubo's stance and what he's told us not even your fictional "Aizen never knew"

" says the kid whose smashing his keyboard with meaningless words"

Every word used has a meaning, you need to procure yourself a dictionary young lad.

"so you dismiss it because it doesn't suit you."

Oh the irony of someone who says this in an argument when they are disregarding the words of the author. Kubo outright stated their ranks and you dismiss it because it doesn't suit your personal opinion.
 

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"Anyone with common sense can see that Ulquiorra has displayed better feats than Harribel who was having trouble with shitty Toshiro, while R1 Ulquiorra was b!tch slapping Hollowfied Ichigo in bankai form."

I'm sorry you think you have more common sense then the creator of this manga. Again all of your crying will never change Kubo's stance and what he's told us not even your fictional "Aizen never knew"

" says the kid whose smashing his keyboard with meaningless words"

Every word used has a meaning, you need to procure yourself a dictionary young lad.

"so you dismiss it because it doesn't suit you."

Oh the irony of someone who says this in an argument when they are disregarding the words of the author. Kubo outright stated their ranks and you dismiss it because it doesn't suit your personal opinion.
First of all, learn how to quote me properly. It gets real irritating having to deal with idiots who don't know how to quote.

Second, if you want to continue to evade the feats that have been placed then I cannot help you. You want to b!tch about Kubo and how he is the creator of this manga. Well, no shit Sherlock. That doesn't mean that we cannot debate and look at certain feats and judge for ourselves who is stronger. It's like you don't even know the purpose of versus sections and how they work.

Lastly, I have no patience for some fool who looks at the manga as some one directional pamphlet without actually thinking and looking for themselves of what and who is stronger, given what we see and what happens, it's not that hard to determine the ranks.

Kubo gave us a list to keep us interested and that list determines who has the best ability. I already explained above how if Ulquiorra knew about Aizen creating him, then he would also know if Aizen knew about his Segunda transformation.

Facts are:
> Harribel could barely handle Toshiro and some shitty female visords
> R1 Ulquiorra could easily handle experienced hollow bankai Ichigo

The Ichigo that fought Ulquiorra is stronger than Toshiro.

Oh the irony of some loser who is saying I am disagreeing with the manga, but he is refusing to look at feats and disregarding the fact that Segunda was not apart of the ranking list, all because he thinks Aizen knows everything, when in fact he didn't know that he was going to lose to Ichigo and Kisuke.
 
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