Why do people treat all rasengan variants as the same jutsu?

[shelke]

So a rasengan with sealing properties (magnet) is redundant? What about one that negates ninjutsu and destroys matter on contact (Referring to when he used his truth seeking balls and made them rasenshurikens to destroy the meteors)?

It's still Rasangan. Don't you get it? Some of us got tired of this some 300 chapters back. Will Naruto ever get past the 'bait and switch' nonsense? It has gotten old now.

 

[chaos control]

Arent all of them called rasengan or rasenwhatever?
So its practically same shit

Shot guns and water guns are both called guns. So I guess it wouldn't matter to you if someone randomly picked one of these guns to shoot you with by rolling a dye to choose which one since they are both the same according to your logic?

 

[Raekwon26]

Rasengan is the parent jutsu, but it is not the jutsu itself.

Is a shot gun the same as a water gun just because they are both guns? Are you your parents just because you came from your parents?

The parent analogy makes zero sense.

The gun analogy does. At the end of the day, they may not do the same things, but their both still guns.

Put it like this, all these 'jutsus' have one thing in common, the Rasengan. Take out the wind, magnet, lava etc and you are left with the Rasengan. Take out the water or shells and you are left with the gun.

 

[chaos control]

It's still Rasangan. Don't you get it? Some of us got tired of this some 300 chapters back. Will Naruto ever get past the 'bait and switch' nonsense? It has gotten old now.

Nonsense that clearly is still effective. He is even holding his own against Kaguya right now using these same tactics. People need to look at logic and get the fact that it is not about what is "old" or what is "fresh". It is about what is effective.

 

[V h o]

Wait so people consider a variant the same thing as the original? I mean they even have different names which should be enough to prove their a different jutsu. Although I do agree that he should use more jutsu.

 

[shelke]

Nonsense that clearly is still effective. He is even holding his own against Kaguya right now using these same tactics. People need to look at logic and get the fact that it is not about what is "old" or what is "fresh". It is about what is effective.

It is pure destructive power, nothing else, with the same technique as every techniques base. You may like it, but I don't. I love strategy and a bit of clever thinking to go along with things.

The rest of what you said is purely opinion based.

 

[chaos control]

The parent analogy makes zero sense.

The gun analogy does. At the end of the day, they may not do the same things, but their both still guns.

Put it like this, all these 'jutsus' have one thing in common, the Rasengan. Take out the wind, magnet, lava etc and you are left with the Rasengan. Take out the water or shells and you are left with the gun.

Yes, but in a life or death situation (which is the type of situation that this series revolves around), it is all about effectiveness of the technique. It is not about what a jutsu would be if you stripped it of its elements. In the middle of a fight, you don't start a jutsu and then randomly say "oh let me take out its properties".

If it does something different, then it is a different thing , even if it has a similar name and shape.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Shot guns and water guns are both called guns. So I guess it wouldn't matter to you if someone randomly picked one of these guns to shoot you with by rolling a dye to choose which one since they are both the same according to your logic?

Thats bad comparison. Water gun is but toy mimicking real thing. Would anyone in their right mind compare toy aircraft with real thing?
Guns are guns they all work the same some are bigger and stronger but all share same technology hence fall under same name.
Same shit with rasengan.
So i dont think that you would care from other world if you got wasted by glock or AK or minigun.

 

[Raekwon26]

Yes, but in a life or death situation (which is the type of situation that this series revolves around), it is all about effectiveness of the technique. It is not about what a jutsu would be if you stripped it of its elements. In the middle of a fight, you don't start a jutsu and then randomly say "oh let me take out its properties".

If it does something different, then it is a different thing , even if it has a similar name and shape.

What's life and death got to do with the fact that the Rasengan is the basis for all the apparent new justus?

It's still a Rasengan based jutsu. Adding all those elements may allow it to do something else, but it is still based on the Rasengan.

It's just like a sandwich.
Sure, you can add Bacon, chicken, lettuce, etc to make it taste different, but it's still a sandwich.

 

[-ahhimane-]

they're scared of their fav getting beaten by only one jutsu.

Spoiler

if they disagree on this then it is hence proved that every rasengan variation is an individual jutsu Lol

 

[chaos control]

It is pure destructive power, nothing else, with the same technique as every techniques base. You may like it, but I don't. I love strategy and a bit of clever thinking to go along with things.

The rest of what you said is purely opinion based.

So a sealing jutsu which is used to strategically seal opponents is only pure destructive power? Also, you say you like strategy, but you are not thinking about the fact that different situations may necessitate different effects. Example: If Naruto has an ice based opponent then lava rasenshuriken would be very effective, whereas if he is fighting an edo tensei who can only be stopped by certain means, the magnet release sealing rasengan or the truth seeking balls which can kill edo zombies would be effective.

It is not just destructive power. Yes destruction comes as a side benefit, but these variations also come with effects that are useful for different situations.

Analyzing jutsus and properly determining what effects to induce is a form of strategizing.

I don't know why people don't get this.

Also, Naruto strategizes quite often. Just recently he came up with the strategy to make it look like he got trapped in order to draw Kaguya closer to him and then use Kokuo's power to burst out and surprise Kaguya. He also came up with the plan to use many clones to overwhelm Kaguya and force her to open her portal so that he could get in.

In the battle against Obito, Naruto was the one who came up with the strategy to save everyone from those 4 tailed beast bombs and he was the one who came up with the plan to use his bijuu chakara to extract the tailed beasts out of Obito.

Naruto uses strategy very often. You people who often spout that "I like strategy" crap clearly don't like it as much as you claim you do, because you can't even seem to recognize it when it happens. There is more than one way to strategize!

 

[chaos control]

What's life and death got to do with the fact that the Rasengan is the basis for all the apparent new justus?

It's still a Rasengan based jutsu. Adding all those elements may allow it to do something else, but it is still based on the Rasengan.

It's just like a sandwich.
Sure, you can add Bacon, chicken, lettuce, etc to make it taste different, but it's still a sandwich.

No, it is like different types of hotdogs. Yes they look the same and have the same name, but beef, pork and turkey hot dogs all have different nutritional properties, flavors and effects on the consumer. Therefore they are not the same thing despite all being called hot dogs and looking the same.

 

[Torche]

they're scared of their fav getting beaten by only one jutsu.

Spoiler

if they disagree on this then it is hence proved that every rasengan variation is an individual jutsu Lol

LMAO! XD +Rep

 

[Raekwon26]

No, it is like different types of hotdogs. Yes they look the same and have the same name, but beef, pork and turkey hot dogs all have different nutritional properties, flavors and effects on the consumer. Therefore they are not the same thing despite all being called hot dogs and looking the same.

Again, you are talking about the effect.
Sure, it's different because it has different effects when you add stuff to it and it can do different things, BUT, at the end of the day it is still a variant of the Rasengan.

A Rasengan with different things added to it so it performs differently, but it's still a Rasengan. If it wasn't, 'Rasen', wouldn't be in the name of basically all of these variants.

 

[chaos control]

Thats bad comparison. Water gun is but toy mimicking real thing. Would anyone in their right mind compare toy aircraft with real thing?
Guns are guns they all work the same some are bigger and stronger but all share same technology hence fall under same name.
Same shit with rasengan.
So i dont think that you would care from other world if you got wasted by glock or AK or minigun.

A water gun is still by definition a gun. So is a laser gun. Water guns, laser guns, shot guns, etc... all still guns, yet they are nowhere near the same thing. Think of it this way:

Water and laser guns are like the lava and magnet rasengans while bigger guns that still use bullets like AK-47 are like chou oodama rasengan.

 

[shelke]

So a sealing jutsu which is used to strategically seal opponents is only pure destructive power? Also, you say you like strategy, but you are not thinking about the fact that different situations may necessitate different effects. Example: If Naruto has an ice based opponent then lava rasenshuriken would be very effective, whereas if he is fighting an edo tensei who can only be stopped by certain means, the magnet release sealing rasengan or the truth seeking balls which can kill edo zombies would be effective.

It is not just destructive power. Yes destruction comes as a side benefit, but these variations also come with effects that are useful for different situations.

Analyzing jutsus and properly determining what effects to induce is a form of strategizing.

I don't know why people don't get this.

Also, Naruto strategizes quite often. Just recently he came up with the strategy to make it look like he got trapped in order to draw Kaguya closer to him and then use Kokuo's power to burst out and surprise Kaguya. He also came up with the plan to use many clones to overwhelm Kaguya and force her to open her portal so that he could get in.

In the battle against Obito, Naruto was the one who came up with the strategy to save everyone from those 4 tailed beast bombs and he was the one who came up with the plan to use his bijuu chakara to extract the tailed beasts out of Obito.

Naruto uses strategy very often. You people who often spout that "I like strategy" crap clearly don't like it as much as you claim you do, because you can't even seem to recognize it when it happens. There is more than one way to strategize!

Why are you throwing everything in form of rhetorical questions? It's pretty much pure destruction in regards to Rasangan and is nothing but De Rigueur for the Rasangan using party. It doesn't look any fancier than it did before. He still isn't using bushins as ninjas should - Itachi and Kakashi's usage come to my mind here.

His strategies don't even touch the verges of what Sasuke has exhibited. This base can hate Sasuke all they want, but it's a fact that when it comes to clever thinking, the difference between Sasuke and Naruto is vaster than night and day. Once he starts being clever, then you can say something in this regard.

 

[chaos control]

Again, you are talking about the effect.
Sure, it's different because it has different effects when you add stuff to it and it can do different things, BUT, at the end of the day it is still a variant of the Rasengan.

A Rasengan with different things added to it so it performs differently, but it's still a Rasengan. If it wasn't, 'Rasen', wouldn't be in the name of basically all of these variants.

You are just looking at the name. Think about this:

Water dragon jutsu
Fire dragon jutsu
Kirin (it is still shaped like a dragon)

All of these have the shape of a dragon and two of these still have the word dragon in them, yet we know they are completely different jutsus and have different effects. It is the same with rasengan.

Also, the variations like lava and magnet don't even actually use base rasengan as the base. Go back to the chapters with lava and magnet in them. Did you see any pure chakara in the creation of those rasengans? No! They were purely composed of the elements!

Therefore it is wrong to say that it is just adding stuff to base rasengan.

 

[AlphaScythian]

A water gun is still by definition a gun. So is a laser gun. Water guns, laser guns, shot guns, etc... all still guns, yet they are nowhere near the same thing. Think of it this way:

Water and laser guns are like the lava and magnet rasengans while bigger guns that still use bullets like AK-47 are like chou oodama rasengan.

Well i explained it to you, water gun only gets the "gun" name cuz it mimicks the real one. Lazer gun dont even exist yet dont throw in fanfics.
Guns are firearms that traditionally use gunpowder technology to propel projectile everything else is not a gun but may get a gun name due to similar appearance and objective.

All rasengans are similar no matter the size chakra or taste its still same spinning ball of chakra with blades or not thrown or slammed and even share same name among it's variations.
So just get over it cuz you're wrong and defending some silly point to make naruto look better.

 

[Raekwon26]

You are just looking at the name. Think about this:

Water dragon jutsu
Fire dragon jutsu
Kirin (it is still shaped like a dragon)

All of these have the shape of a dragon and two of these still have the word dragon in them, yet we know they are completely different jutsus and have different effects. It is the same with rasengan.

Also, the variations like lava and magnet don't even actually use base rasengan as the base. Go back to the chapters with lava and magnet in them. Did you see any pure chakara in the creation of those rasengans? No! They were purely composed of the elements!

Therefore it is wrong to say that it is just adding stuff to base rasengan.

Kirin is a giraffe...... a lightning based based attack in which the user gathers the power from the sky and uses his Lighting affinity to control it.

Water dragon? Fire dragon? Are you serious? Those are affinities, not justus. Just like using Lava or Magnet.

Also, you didn't see the Lava or Magnet Rasengans being created because they just appeared, Kishi didn't show how it was formed, but he did reveal the name of it and Rasen was in there.

If those techniques were grouped, they'd all be under the Rasengan catagory.

 

[chaos control]

Why are you throwing everything in form of rhetorical questions? It's pretty much pure destruction in regards to Rasangan and is nothing but De Rigueur for the Rasangan using party. It doesn't look any fancier than it did before. He still isn't using bushins as ninjas should - Itachi and Kakashi's usage come to my mind here.

His strategies don't even touch the verges of what Sasuke has exhibited. This base can hate Sasuke all they want, but it's a fact that when it comes to clever thinking, the difference between Sasuke and Naruto is vaster than night and day. Once he starts being clever, then you can say something in this regard.

1. I never even mentioned Sasuke before now.

2. Tell me in what ways Sasuke has been so much more strategic. He surely hasn't been holding his own against Kaguya while Naruto has been using his strategy in order to hold his own. It is not like he was so strategic against Madara. Naruto was the one who came up with the plan to save everyone from the tailed beast bombs, to extract the bijuus from Obito and who figured out that senjutsu was the weakness in the battle against Obito. Itachi came up with the plan and held the fort down against Kabuto. Really, Sasuke's last real display of "cleverness" was against Danzo.

3. A technique shows versatility for different situations when it comes with different effects. Only someone who can not seem to properly analyze a technique can't see that.