[Discussion] Why do people say that Yonko>Admiral?

[Hexuze]

Honestly I considered Kizaru to be the strongest. Give them all the same blood lusted personality, and his DF becomes haaxed.



OT: Because balance in the New World compromises between the Yonko, Schichibukai, and the Marines. Meaning the Yonko make up 1/4th of 1/3 of the world's power (stated earlier though I'd say Marines, Yonko, and Revolutionaries). As such on their own they make up about 1/12 of the world's power having assumed they were equal.

The ENTIRETY of the Marines which has FAR more people make up the same fraction... Meaning based souly on math, the Admirals can't possibly make up 1/12 of the Marine's power... There are just too many people.

I used to think he was the strongest but after seeing his fighting styles...I would say he's the weakest admiral from the Pre-TS admiral trio because of his charge up time to move around. He isn't as haxed as people claim him to be. FUJITORA IS HAXED. xD

 

[Fireplay]

Roger COULD before his death. Whitebeard was nowhere near full strength at Marineford. How does he not count? He was one of the Yonkou? If Kaidou thought he could kill him and Shanks stopped an entire war from mere presence alone I'm certain that all but one Yonkou (BB) are superior to MF Whitebeard.

For starters. WB doesn't count because he's DEAD and the rest of the Yonko are weaker than him. Meaning the strength of the Yonko has reduced (WB being superior to all of them). Kaido thought he could kill WB because he was in the war and already wounded. If Kaido was>WB he could've killed him any time he wanted. But decided to do it when he was at the verge of death. Shanks stopped a war not because he's>WB and can solo Marineford but because the marines can't handle another Yonko and his crew considering that WB and his alliance had pretty much destroyed the marines.

Yonko>Admiral statement due to WB (who is dead now btw) is the same as me saying
Vice admiral>Admiral because of Garp

Shanks>Akainu
Akainu>BM and BB (speculation/hype)

Not too sure about Kaido.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I think that even an old WB was of same level as the other yonkos Shanks?Kaido. Basically what I want to say is that the standards of strength have fallen from what it was in Roger's time, i.e; the top dogs from the old times are on the same level as the strongest of the New Era.

Chinjao the legendary pirate (when old) got stomped by Luffy , a not so legendary figure as of yet. He was from Rogers Era. Shanks/Mihawk and Dragon (IMO) are the tiniest bit weaker than the other two (IN THEIR PRIMES).

 

[jiraiya lives]

Probably because the top division commanders/First mates of the Yonkou are already on admiral level or close (Marco, Jozu)and Benn Beckman alone was enough to scare Kizaru, and beckman's not even a Yonkou,..so If the division commanders/First mates are this strong enough to battle/scare admirals then it's safe to assume that the yonkou themselves are stronger than or at least slighter stronger than the admirals.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

the Yonko have smaller numbers on their side so to me if they were weaker or the admirals= to them, the marines wld wipe them out and end the grt pirate era by taking control of Yonko territory after defeating them, but coz Yonko> "Greatest Military Powers"(最高戦力Saikō Senryoku), WG chooses to coexist with these unsurmisable power houses.

 

[LitzSabr]

Chinjao the legendary pirate (when old) got stomped by Luffy , a not so legendary figure as of yet. He was from Rogers Era.

First I am not denying that Chinjao isn't strong but he is hyped. Second in his fight with Luffy, he didn't even had his drill, he would have done a lot better it he had that in his fight with Luffy. And he wasn't a top dog from the old times (just like Luffy isn't right now), nut still, if he had his drill in the fight, he would have evenly matched Luffy despite his old age.

Shanks/Mihawk and Dragon (IMO) are the tiniest bit weaker than the other two (IN THEIR PRIMES).

Old WB matched Shanks. If the battle had continued, IMO Shanks would've won, but you know that the standard is a little low when an old man from the past is on par with your prime.

 

[marijuanna]

I get what your saying and I agree with you and at the same time believe Yonko>Admiral, I dont know if you're from the human or the technological sciences but I need to put numbers on that shit.
So power wise is like yonkos rank from 8-10 (10 being WB) while Admirals rank 7-9 (9 being Akainu), so you see we can never know who would win in a 1-1 fight, it might be a level 8 yonko vs a lvl 9 Admiral, but the average of a Yonko is higher than of a Admiral. And about power+influence it's even harder to say, some Yonko's men are thougher than a VA but there are more VAs, and that 3 way power balance MARINES-YONKO-SHICHIBUKAI shows that 4 yonko are as strong as all the admirals plus warlords, but we also know that the warlords do so much s hit they may as well be considered neutral.

 

[Love Cook]

If the Admirals were stronger then yonkou, why not go out to sea and take them out ?

 

[Fireplay]

If the Admirals were stronger then yonkou, why not go out to sea and take them out ?

Lol. I'm not saying that the admirals are stronger. I'm simply saying that the rank of Yonko doesn't make one necessarily stronger then an admiral.

For example: I believe the strongest Yonko is Shanks and the strongest admiral is Akainu (even though he's not an admiral anymore but still)
I'm pretty sure Shanks>Akainu

Now lets take another Yonko for example. Big mom. I believe Kuzan>BM. Overall the Yonko are stronger than the admirals. But being a Yonko doesn't make you>an admiral. I've seen quite alot of people saying that all the Yonko>all the admirals. Which is false imo.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Lava man & iceman > all except shanks black beard & white beard

 

[Sherlock.]

Well as per Garp the Shichibukai was formed to maintain Balance between Yonko and Marines Side.... So If -
Marines + Shichibukai = Yonko
then
Marines < Yonko
So
Admiral < Yonko

That's the way it is I guess.... =D =D

 

[Red Swag]

not sure but i believe admiral is supposedly = yonko in a 1v1.

It's all about balance right? admirals are the strongest marine. yonkos are the strongest pirate. fleet admiral = pirate king.

something like that right? so yea i guess an admiral = yonko.

aaaand blackbeard was scared of akainu.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

This i agree with. Except that the admirals changed into weaker ones. Fujitora is hax.

Fujitora is very hax.

 

[Hexuze]

Beckman didnt stop Kizaru.

Kizaru proceeded to attack luffy.

Beckman is first mate, which he is very close in strength to captain anyways.

Yes he did... The only reason why Kizaru attacked Law's ship was because Beckman was with Shanks & he wasn't near him. Trust me, Kizaru knew not to f*ck with Beckman.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Well, if one Yonko was weaker than an Admiral, they would be a lot easier to take out. But I think Akainu and Aokiji are veeery close to them in strength, and that Akainu will eventually surpass them.

But at the same time, some Yonko might rely more on their crew and make up for their "weakness" that way. So it's fully possible that like Fujitora is stronger than one, individually.

 

[Kuzan]

The strongest Yonko is stronger than the strongest Admiral, but the strongest Admiral is stronger than the weakest Yonko IMO.

I think it goes like this:
Shanks > Akainu
Akainu > Big Mom/(Blackbeard)

 

[xcoyote]

Sakazuki shits on everyone bar Shanks.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Sakazuki shits on everyone bar Shanks.

Lol it took Him 10 days to high diff beat someone who had a weaker DF....No way in hell is he gonna be shitting on any top tier, especially a Yonkou

 

[TheHokage]

Lol it took Him 10 days to high diff beat someone who had a weaker DF....No way in hell is he gonna be shitting on any top tier, especially a Yonkou

Actually he battled Whitebeard pretty evenly until Whitebeard got angry over Ace's death and even then Akainu was able to melt off half of Whitebeards face and punch a hole in his chest...not to mention Akainu tanked Haki imbued hits from both Marco and Vista as if they were nothing.

Also Akainu destroyed Aokiji by the looks of things since Aokiji was left with 1 leg and burn marks all over...it sounds like Aokiji went all out in the battle while I think Akainu was a little more reserved due to the fact at the time he didn't know Aokiji would leave the Marines.

I think you're seriously underestimating Akainu here the only characters I see being stronger than him at the moment are either Dragon or Shanks of course there are a few who might be even in strength such as Kaido.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Actually he battled Whitebeard pretty evenly until Whitebeard got angry over Ace's death and even then Akainu was able to melt off half of Whitebeards face and punch a hole in his chest...not to mention Akainu tanked Haki imbued hits from both Marco and Vista as if they were nothing.

Also Akainu destroyed Aokiji by the looks of things since Aokiji was left with 1 leg and burn marks all over...it sounds like Aokiji went all out in the battle while I think Akainu was a little more reserved due to the fact at the time he didn't know Aokiji would leave the Marines.

I think you're seriously underestimating Akainu here the only characters I see being stronger than him at the moment are either Dragon or Shanks of course there are a few who might be even in strength such as Kaido.

So what you're saying is Akainu fought Aokiji for ten days for fun...?