Why do people say Sasuke didn't work hard ?

[Aznkidd]

what a horse shit of a post. the bold is just urrh.. you never stop spewing garbage do you?

I just show what kind "horse of shit" that Kishi has been throwing at Sauces base face :bdpf:

 

[Dantee]

I just show what kind "horse of shit" that Kishi has been throwing at Sauces base face :bdpf:

He went to Oro for training. One of the 1st things that happen at the beginning of Shippiden is Sauce training. you can't change manga facts. :bdpf:

 

[MAN OF SIN]

He was *Given* power up from Oro , and his brother, naruto was never handed anything, always working training for his power, he even had to fight and defeat half of the nine tails in order to use his power. Naruto will always be better.

What bullshit. Naruto befriended Kurama to his full power and his Six Paths powers were handed to him by Hagoromo.

 

[SenseiSama]

Lets the debunk started.
If you compare the kindergarten time, then would you find that one having actual guidance from 2 top quality ninja at younger age - while the other one get negged hard by the entire village - be fair ?

Is there any trace that showing Sasuke train hard when he spent time with Orochimaru ? Do you know why Kakashi is hailed as COPY NINJA ? Sasuke possesed same eye as Kakashi and even having 2 sharingan with FULL SUPPORT from uchiha blood. He can even see how much chakra is being released in colour to learn at the best way possible or reading jutsu while applying to his own arsenal. The answer is quite obiviously as all evident point to COPY & PASTE. That is not even mention the part of curse seal which help him in everything.

While Naruto has to struggle to learn rasengan in painful way, his training with Jiraiya is never been an easy one as manga fact. Jiraiya did not even teach Naruto elements or anything else beside bigger rasengan and some control over his fox - who at the time still trying to harm Naruto in every way possible since his birth til that time - another manga fact.

Naruto was not asking for the unwanted power and that power has been trying to destroy him countless of time, even hindered all of his training. Naruto himself has to train very hard to get hand on that power. While Sasuke was given free, the fight with his brother is already decided from the begining, his brother will die so Sasuke can gain power - manga fact.

Sasuke having itachi eyes and unlock the most fearsome power that can even put down the most power full beast which Naruto possesed, so dont trying to troll here lolz.
9 bijuus in one body ? dont be a clown now, he didnt using 9 power vs Sasuke that time, while Sasuke has the eyes + 9 bijuus power vs tired Naruto with only half of the beasts.
Dont trying to change the manga fact lolz.

Why are you bringing "fairness" as an excuse ? There's no such thing as fairness, Sasuke understood the value of hard work way before Naruto because he wasn't self-obsessed with not being liked.

He wanted to be like Itachi because he wasn't recognized by his own father and he didn't let that stop him from working on his jutsu until he eventually was. Meanwhile Naruto was throwing tantrums waiting for someone to hold his hand even though the Hokage was there to guide him.

Secondly, you're wrong about Naruto not asking for power, he was born with Ashura's chakra since day 1. In addition, Sasuke wasn't born with power, he was born with potential like Naruto, and his hard work and determination to surpass Itachi is the reason he fulfilled it.

His Sharingan was never free, first he had to witness the death of his parent, then he had to sacrifice himself to save Naruto against Haku before re-awakening his dojutsu. Meanwhile all Naruto had to learn was draw out chakra to use Kurama's power.

Kurama's power was never trying to destroy Naruto, the bijuu only wanted to free himself and Naruto's emotions simply allowed his body to be taken over. He was no different to Sasuke who ended up having his mind taken over by the emotion emitted from a Sharingan.

And you seem to forget what Sasuke went through before having Itachi's eyes. He was training under Orochimaru while Naruto was only roaming the country with Jiraiya.

Secondly, he had to face Deidara before fighting Itachi and nearly died because of that. I don't care whether Itachi was already sick, Sasuke had to use his full power to push his brother to his limits.

Thirdly, Obito refused to give him Itachi's eyes until Sasuke gained enough experience with the Mangekyo. And guess how he did it ? By facing a perfect Jin and fighting 5 Kages. So how is that not hard work ?

Furthermore, before gaining EMS he was already capable of fighting a bijuu 1v1 with his own Mangekyo, the same Mangekyo he worked hard to unlock. And you seem to be the clown as the manga clearly shows the bijuu giving Naruto their chakra, which allowed him to awaken RSM in the first place.

 

[Dantee]

Why are you bringing "fairness" as an excuse ? There's no such thing as fairness, Sasuke understood the value of hard work way before Naruto because he wasn't self-obsessed with not being liked.

He wanted to be like Itachi because he wasn't recognized by his own father and he didn't let that stop him from working on his jutsu until he eventually was. Meanwhile Naruto was throwing tantrums waiting for someone to hold his hand even though the Hokage was there to guide him.

Secondly, you're wrong about Naruto not asking for power, he was born with Ashura's chakra since day 1. In addition, Sasuke wasn't born with power, he was born with potential like Naruto, and his hard work and determination to surpass Itachi is the reason he fulfilled it.

His Sharingan was never free, first he had to witness the death of his parent, then he had to sacrifice himself to save Naruto against Haku before re-awakening his dojutsu. Meanwhile all Naruto had to learn was draw out chakra to use Kurama's power.

Kurama's power was never trying to destroy Naruto, the bijuu only wanted to free himself and Naruto's emotions simply allowed his body to be taken over. He was no different to Sasuke who ended up having his mind taken over by the emotion emitted from a Sharingan.

And you seem to forget what Sasuke went through before having Itachi's eyes. He was training under Orochimaru while Naruto was only roaming the country with Jiraiya.

Secondly, he had to face Deidara before fighting Itachi and nearly died because of that. I don't care whether Itachi was already sick, Sasuke had to use his full power to push his brother to his limits.

Thirdly, Obito refused to give him Itachi's eyes until Sasuke gained enough experience with the Mangekyo. And guess how he did it ? By facing a perfect Jin and fighting 5 Kages. What was Naruto doing all that time ? Crying over Sasuke.

Furthermore, before gaining EMS he was already capable of fighting a bijuu 1v1 with his own Mangekyo, the same Mangekyo he worked hard to unlock. And you seem to be the clown as the manga clearly shows the bijuu giving Naruto their chakra, which allowed him to awaken RSM in the first place.

You rekt that asian kid bro. Good shit.

 

[Aznkidd]

Why are you bringing "fairness" as an excuse ? There's no such thing as fairness, Sasuke understood the value of hard work way before Naruto because he wasn't self-obsessed with not being liked.

He wanted to be like Itachi because he wasn't recognized by his own father and he didn't let that stop him from working on his jutsu until he eventually was. Meanwhile Naruto was throwing tantrums waiting for someone to hold his hand even though the Hokage was there to guide him.

Secondly, you're wrong about Naruto not asking for power, he was born with Ashura's chakra since day 1. In addition, Sasuke wasn't born with power, he was born with potential like Naruto, and his hard work and determination to surpass Itachi is the reason he fulfilled it.

His Sharingan was never free, first he had to witness the death of his parent, then he had to sacrifice himself to save Naruto against Haku before re-awakening his dojutsu. Meanwhile all Naruto had to learn was draw out chakra to use Kurama's power.

Kurama's power was never trying to destroy Naruto, the bijuu only wanted to free himself and Naruto's emotions simply allowed his body to be taken over. He was no different to Sasuke who ended up having his mind taken over by the emotion emitted from a Sharingan.

And you seem to forget what Sasuke went through before having Itachi's eyes. He was training under Orochimaru while Naruto was only roaming the country with Jiraiya.

Secondly, he had to face Deidara before fighting Itachi and nearly died because of that. I don't care whether Itachi was already sick, Sasuke had to use his full power to push his brother to his limits.

Thirdly, Obito refused to give him Itachi's eyes until Sasuke gained enough experience with the Mangekyo. And guess how he did it ? By facing a perfect Jin and fighting 5 Kages. So how is that not hard work ?

Furthermore, before gaining EMS he was already capable of fighting a bijuu 1v1 with his own Mangekyo, the same Mangekyo he worked hard to unlock. And you seem to be the clown as the manga clearly shows the bijuu giving Naruto their chakra, which allowed him to awaken RSM in the first place.

Lets the debunk part 2 started

How come you say some one who live with legendary clan, having a big figure as a brother and his dad is LEADER of police and CLAN LEADER - being no excuses when Naruto was living alone with no one around and the worst is that everyone hated him ?

Is there any one out there to teach Naruto during that time ? While your fav being fed with silver spoon every single day ? Dont just talk without using your head please. Or trying to imagine your self as a leper with aids vs a rich kid with father as leader of police and town major + brother as super talented kungfu master.

The second of yours is even shallower. How come you are saying a new born baby asking for power ? Oh please, dont be on femme level. That sound the worst troll of the year. Both being born and will eventually inherited the incarnation power, so mention only one just show you out of debate lol.

About the sharingan part, it was free cause there is no training back ground to support it. What you are trying to say sound like this : You go to exam, and you copy your friend's answer and you say knowlegde wasnt free

About you trying to debunk tailed beast wasnt trying to destroy Naruto. Are you serious ? Some body needs to go back and read the manga again.

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[super michael]

Being born with a KKG isn't a free power, so by that logic someone being born with two arms is that a free power? The answer is no. Someone having a high IQ is that a free power? No.

Sharingan = In the Genetic of the Uchiha which the Uchiha brain and bloodline unlocks
Hyuuga = In the Genetic which they get automatically
Kaguya Clan = Bone jutsu
Uzumaki = In the Genetic to have special chakra
Haku Clan (don't know Clan name) = Ice Jutsu from birth

 

[take it easy]

Being born with a KKG isn't a free power, so by that logic someone being born with two arms is that a free power? The answer is no. Someone having a high IQ is that a free power? No.

Sharingan = In the Genetic of the Uchiha which the Uchiha brain and bloodline unlocks
Hyuuga = In the Genetic which they get automatically
Kaguya Clan = Bone jutsu
Uzumaki = In the Genetic to have special chakra
Haku Clan (don't know Clan name) = Ice Jutsu from birth

Hyuuga are born with already awakened Byakugan they just need training to use it. Same with Yuki and Kaguya clan and their KKG.

Some of Uzumakis automatically born with special chakra .

Uchiha on the other hand arent born with activated Sharingan .

 

[Styles]

Hyuuga are born with already awakened Byakugan they just need training to use it. Same with Yuki and Kaguya clan and their KKG.

Some of Uzumakis automatically born with special chakra .

Uchiha on the other hand arent born with activated Sharingan .

Not everyone in the Kaguya clan was born with that kkg though only kimmimaro was.

 

[super michael]

Hyuuga are born with already awakened Byakugan they just need training to use it. Same with Yuki and Kaguya clan and their KKG.

Some of Uzumakis automatically born with special chakra .

Uchiha on the other hand arent born with activated Sharingan .

So Haku Clan is from the Yuki clan. Weird I thought all the Uzumaki were born with special chakra maybe I am wrong.

Uchiha are born with special chakra in their brain to unlock the Sharingan. Remember this Madara before unlocking his Sharingan he had better eye sight than Hashirama.

Sarada shown us hatred isn't the only way to unlock the Sharingan.

 

[Aznkidd]

So Haku Clan is from the Yuki clan. Weird I thought all the Uzumaki were born with special chakra maybe I am wrong.

Uchiha are born with special chakra in their brain to unlock the Sharingan. Remember this Madara before unlocking his Sharingan he had better eye sight than Hashirama.

Sarada shown us hatred isn't the only way to unlock the Sharingan.

They are born with the body just like everyone else born with the body. What you do with your body after that is another story. Just like Kakashi or Danzo can implant sharingan, we still call that free power = sharingan. But since their body can not handle the sharingan as Uchiha, so for them must go through hell of training to able to do that. In Danzo case, he even implant Hashi cell to help his body contain more sharingan. But in Kakashi case, he has to struggle + training to improve his body and his skill to hold sharingan.

This is the reason Danzo can discover Izanagi and use it flawlessly or Kakashi can ultilize PS right after he got all requirement or Madara can use Kamui right when he got it.

 

[take it easy]

So Haku Clan is from the Yuki clan.

TF ? He was a member of Yuki clan.

Weird I thought all the Uzumaki were born with special chakra maybe I am wrong.

Kushinas words that she was choosen as Jinchuuriki because of her special chakra leads me to think that not all Uzumaki have special chakra.

Uchiha are born with special chakra in their brain to unlock the Sharingan. Remember this Madara before unlocking his Sharingan he had better eye sight than Hashirama.

Sarada shown us hatred isn't the only way to unlock the Sharingan.

Okay and ? They still needs emotional trauma to get Sharingan.

 

[shelke]

Why does he need to? Sasuke trained a lot more than Naruto. But why does he need to work hard? Had work would imply that he had difficulty in grasping concepts and had to put in extra work to get things done. Now, that would fit the description of "cow-fodder for brains" people like Naruto, not Sasuke.

Sasuke is a natural prodigy. Did he put in work to get things done? Absolutely. Did he have to put in extra work to even grasp the basic? No. I would take an intelligent character over an average joe any day. The latter are nauseating to read.

 

[super michael]

TF ? He was a member of Yuki clan.

I know that now thanks for the info

Kushinas words that she was choosen as Jinchuuriki because of her special chakra leads me to think that not all Uzumaki have special chakra.

I see well I guess that is true, although the special chakra was just to suppress Kurama but counts.

Okay and ? They still needs emotional trauma to get Sharingan.

Well the eyes can improve by the Uchiha gaining experience but I agree they can't unlock without trauma, but that doesn't make any less of their DNA.

This is just a separate question, I wonder why in Part 1 Hyuuga needed handseal to do Byakugan.

 

[PureSkillz]

Bait thread waiting for bait responses so we can all say 'x' is better than 'y' while the OP watches the whole fight. A mod shows up, closes the thread, starts giving infractions like xmas presents while the intelligent people (the ones who lurks) have a good laugh. Oh NDS, you never change.

OT: Sasuke worked hard as naruto.

This is signature worthy.

OT: Think of the gifted child who never much trouble in school, that's Sasuke.
Naruto would be the one that had to get the help and take extra steps to get to the same grade/level as Sasuke.

Then there's the free powerups part but that's beside the point.

Natural Genius vs Hard Work was a theme in the whole manga, between many characters idk
why this question had to be asked..

 

[00Rinne]

For a MC & the shippuden being rushed, he didn't have much screen time as i always say. The sharingan is a eye power that if you have the physical ability to pull off a jutsu then you can copy it with ease. (Hatake Kakashi)

The only thing i seen Sasuke train for in this manga/anime was the chidori & chidori stream. There is literally not much he trained for because of the power of his eyes.

No1 can post scans of him training for most of his tech's because there's not any.

When Sasuke left the village after beating Naruto the techniques he had didn't change, there was nothing new in his jutsu when he fought Deidara & that was three years after leaving the village. He showed the same tech's in that fight as he did with Naruto years earlier, just more potent and precise.

Folks get made at those facts because they like his character, as do I. But the fact still remains that he didn't train much, at least not on screen.

On the other hand, Naruto being The MC had plenty of screen time an we actually got to see him train for the things he has so i see why it's a mindfuk on Sasuke's abilities he gained.

It's not hating if you stating the obvious. Folks just are going to be stuck in their own mindset and comprehension of situations. But the reality is that he didn't train much to get what he has like his rival did because of the sharingan.

I'll say it again!. The sharingan is a eye power that doesn't require much skill as long as you have the physical ability to pull it off a jutsu. That is the bases of the sharingan so people should just relax an except that it doesn't need training to accomplish it's goal's just the physical ability to make it happen.

Sorry for the wall but i felt like i had to explain my case so folks don't bash me without checking the manga/anime again/first.