Why do people prefer Kaguya over Madara as the final villain?

[Melania]

Madara was never evil. We saw a glimpse of his past through Hashirama, and even during the battle, he still defended Madara. He was a pawn since the moment we saw his backstory.

Kaguya became evil and would make the more logical villain since any goodness in her was lost when she ate the fruit.

That's my reason.

 

[Antichrist]

1. Kaguya stands as pure evil.

2. Madara serves as nothing more than a slightly more organized, cunning, and powerful Obito

-Like Obito, he had a dream that was just and good... but lost it because of events in his life (Izuna dies).

-Like Obito, he found a way to make a false reality (Except unlike Obito who found Madara... Madara found Kaguya and the Infinite Tsukiyomi plan on the Tablet)


When you really look at it, Madara's role is nothing more than Obito's role, the only difference was that we couldn't see who was pulling his strings until the Sage introduced Kaguya. We saw during Hashirama's flashback, Madara lost hope in the world. It is literally the same as Obito. The only reason we didn't instantly have a spam of theories about "New final villain." is because we didn't know of Kaguya and her relation to the Juubi.

While yes, Madara got all of this power, this serves to show just how much power Madara has. It is literally the same as when we went from Obito to Madara as the "final villain."

Obito: Kamui, Rinnegan, Controlled the Jinjuriki paths.... then we see Madara enter with Perfect Susanoo, and gradually show more and more power compared to Obito.


Now we see Madara display his power (Limbo, etc.), and now its being passed over to Kaguya (Who is manipulating the Zetsu).


Finally, and this one's just on me, Kaguya is a chick. Seriously, sounds sexist/reverse sexist... but seriously. Kishi has treated women like ABSOLUTE SHIT in this series. The strongest woman is between Tsunade and Mei.... and both are nothing compared to many male characters. Sure its a "sudden plot twist," and she'll hardly have the development any villain should (or any side character in Naruto, but hey that's another rant)... but at least Kishi made an attempt you know?




So....

1. She's representing a pure evil.

2. She's a chick.

3. She represents the origin of Uchiha AND Senju (thus the beginning of the Cycle of Hatred).

4. If she's the final villain of this arc, that means Naruto may not have fought, "The Man with powerful eyes," and thus suggests a final Naruto vs Sasuke.

your post is longer than his thread .

 

[Meee]

Becuz when he was introduced he did the exact same thing to my homie Tobi.

Karma's a b*tch.

Plus half his fanbase is annoying with all their "Madara is god" bullshit.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I prefer Kaguya as a FV than Madara because:

1. She's the first female Villain in Naruto. Usually Kishi is terrible in female characters, the only good ones are Kohan, Part 1 Temari, and Mei.

2. Madara + Nagato rape face pale in comparison to Kaguya Rape Face

3. She's full of mysterious character building up the tension and the sense of intimidation

4. Pure evil, Immune to TNJ, she's the mastermind behind all this. ( It was Hinted that Madara is getting Tnj and we all know how it played out) She's the one pulling the string and she's the source that corrupted the ninja world which triggers Madara into the darkness.

5. She posses the Byakugan which I'm pretty sure fans such as myself are tired of every villain possessing the Rinnegan and Sharingan as it dominates the series. Byakugan needs some spotlight after building up all the hype.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

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I prefer Kaguya as a FV than Madara because:

1. She's the first female Villain in Naruto

2. Madara + Nagato rape face pale in comparison to Kaguya Rape Face

3. She's full of mysterious character building up the tension and the sense of intimidation

4. Pure evil, Immune to TNJ, she's the mastermind behind all this. ( It was Hinted that Madara is getting Tnj and we all know how it played out) She's the one pulling the string and she's the source that corrupted the ninja world which triggers Madara into the darkness.

5. She posses the Byakugan which I'm pretty sure fans such as myself are tired of every villain possessing the Rinnegan and Sharingan as it dominates the series. Byakugan needs some spotlight after building up all the hype.

Konan my good sir... Konan. While she may have ultimately turned back to a side that would be considered allied to the Protagonist, she was at one point an antagonist.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Madara was never evil. We saw a glimpse of his past through Hashirama, and even during the battle, he still defended Madara. He was a pawn since the moment we saw his backstory.

Kaguya became evil and would make the more logical villain since any goodness in her was lost when she ate the fruit.

That's my reason.

I don't know about that.....setting up someone to be killed just so you can manipulate another is pretty evil imo.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

or maddy was used as a catalyst to introduce her again in the plot...

 

[ClarifyingThings]

Madara was never evil. We saw a glimpse of his past through Hashirama, and even during the battle, he still defended Madara. He was a pawn since the moment we saw his backstory.

Kaguya became evil and would make the more logical villain since any goodness in her was lost when she ate the fruit.

That's my reason.

What if your wrong?, what if Kaguya barely does anything & sonner or later just gets sealed by the gourde?, everybody thought that obito would be a tuff villian to defeat, and look what happened to him

 

[Melania]

I don't know about that.....setting up someone to be killed just so you can manipulate another is pretty evil imo.

Oh he lost it, no doubt, but his heart wasn't evil. He could have been TNJ I bet.

What if your wrong?, what if Kaguya barely does anything & sonner or later just gets sealed by the gourde?, everybody thought that obito would be a tuff villian to defeat, and look what happened to him

I just go by Hashirama's words. He said them for a reason, and interestingly enough compared Sasuke to Madara's brother, not Madara himself when he gave him the jutsu.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Oh he lost it, no doubt, but his heart wasn't evil. He could have been TNJ I bet.



I just go by Hashirama's words. He said them for a reason, and interestingly enough compared Sasuke to Madara's brother, not Madara himself when he gave him the jutsu.

Yeah,but how though?Madara getting TNJ'ed would have to pretty believable,Sasuke/Naruto would have to deliver the mother of all speeches to turn him.

 

[Melania]

Yeah,but how though?Madara getting TNJ'ed would have to pretty believable,Sasuke/Naruto would have to deliver the mother of all speeches to turn him.

I guess I just believe that good still resided in him.

His betrayal I saw coming fro the moment of his backstory.

 

[Joker]

Madara got mad stale as a Jinjuuriki.

 

[A e r o]

I would just like to know how kishi is going to tie zetsu in with kagaya and how madara was hoodwinked into being kagaya bish. Genjutsu? Then again kagaya was sealed/dead so how can she be operating 100+ years after death. @.@

OT: I would like to see kagaya over madara and have madara, naruto, sasuke, obito, and edo kages trying to stop her.

 

[Dragon1]

It's bad enough that Kishi decided to throw a character (Tobi) that has stuck in the manga since the beginning of the Shippuden series and replace him with a guy (Madara) that decided to appear only in the Edo Tensei arc, but now Kishi decides to replace him with a character we hadn't even heard about before these 10 chapters or something. I mean, if she was stronger than Hagoromo and had such influence in the world, stole the apple, etc... Then why the f*ck no one mentioned her before? It's apparent that Kishi changes things as it goes along.

And no, I don't like Kaguya taking over Madara because there is absolutely no backstory behind her, we don't know anything about her character and because i'm sick and tired of villains popping up from everywhere and suddenly we learn that they planned everything. What's next? I would guess that the tree (Ten Tails) had a creator who planned everything and just used Kaguya... Hehehe.

 

[MinaButt]

Madara just got less and less amusing for me. JJ Madz became nothing but a walking power up instead of an actual character.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Madara just got less and less amusing for me. JJ Madz became nothing but a walking power up instead of an actual character.

Agreed,Madara was better before he became the Juubi Jin.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

It's bad enough that Kishi decided to throw a character (Tobi) that has stuck in the manga since the beginning of the Shippuden series and replace him with a guy (Madara) that decided to appear only in the Edo Tensei arc, but now Kishi decides to replace him with a character we hadn't even heard about before these 10 chapters or something. I mean, if she was stronger than Hagoromo and had such influence in the world, stole the apple, etc... Then why the f*ck no one mentioned her before? It's apparent that Kishi changes things as it goes along.

And no, I don't like Kaguya taking over Madara because there is absolutely no backstory behind her, we don't know anything about her character and because i'm sick and tired of villains popping up from everywhere and suddenly we learn that they planned everything. What's next? I would guess that the tree (Ten Tails) had a creator who planned everything and just used Kaguya... Hehehe.

I agree 100%, next thing you know, Iruka is gonna pop out of nowhere & we get some revelation that he was working with kaguya all along, and Naruto would ask "Why did you do it?", and he'll say, "Its because Kurama killed my parents" or some stupid BS like that

 

[saw2097]

Madara is just a more powerful and older carbon copy of Juubito, they are really not all that different.

Having him as the final villain would just be repetitive of the Juubito battle.

 

[Djokovic]

Who would support Madara after he humiliated every single character out there? Obito fanbase have it worse after Madara exposed the slave boy.

Name one character on the battlefield now who didnt get fodderized?

Fodderized:

Obito
Minato
Hashirama
Sasuke
Naruto
All Bijuu
Tsunade
Gaara
Onoki
Mei
Raikage
Kakashi
Sakura
Tobirama

He hurt too many fanbases so lets be realistic here... if he dies next chapter there will be much to celebrate.

 

[Lightbringer]

I remember when Obito was revealed and even became Jinchuriki, everyone wanted Madara to take the mantle instead.


Now that Madara has become the villain, everyone wants Kaguya.


What makes people think that Kaguya is going to be any better is beyond me. People just feel because she's fresh she might be interesting. Then when she turns out to be a generic villain(which odds are she will be) everyone's going to hate her.


Best villain was and always will be Nagato and maybe Orochimaru.