Why do people like Kimimoro but dislike Sasuke

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Sasuke talked and acted a harder game than he played. He spent the series punching above his weight class and got punished repeatedly for it.

By comparison. Kimimaro died like a champ. Undefeated. Even as Edo Tensei, he was never sealed by the SA.



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1) Itachi

When he heard Itachi was back and was after Naruto, his first thought was to warn Naruto before Itachi got to him. By chance he ran into Itachi.

2) Naruto was the one who chased Sasuke down with the battle ending with him (Naruto) being unconscious. Why are you cherry picking a moment where Naruto had the upperhand even though we know the end result?

3) Likewise - Deidara was the one who picked the fight. Sasuke completely outclassed him. But unlike with Naruto, Sasuke wasn't even harmed in the gif you used. He evaded that attack with Deidara admitting that Tobi was right. That Sasuke was too fast for him. 😆

4) Bee - Legitimate.

5 & 6) Raikage & Mei

He only went to the Summit for Danzo. Karin needed to identify him to keep track of his chakra. No one knew they were there and they would have remained hidden and confronted Danzo on his way back to Konoha had Zetsu via Tobi's orders not told everyone he was there. Thus forcing him to defend himself when they attacked.

Even then, Sasuke evaded and blocked everyones attacks and was only worn down due to the Mangekyo's side effects. Again you cherrypicked a gif. The Liger Bomb was tanked.

7) He killed Danzo 9 times.
8) Vs Kakashi - Filler.

9) He was fighting in a war with the world at stake. Ofcourse he along with everyone fought Madara.

10) Nerfed, yet tied.

11) Again, Kinshiki was the one who attacked Sasuke. Who despite being weakened blocked and evaded his every hit while cutting off his horn.

But yes Sasuke does look bad when you ignore context, and situations to the point where you even hype up characters who he defeated.
 
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Kimimaro found a sense of purpose and a meaning to his life by serving Orochimaru and thus felt complete in his life. This feeling started to shatter the moment his body fell ill and he could no longer serve Orochimaru. Which is why he willingly gets up to fight regardless of the risks to his life. Because to him, nothing is more important than serving Orochimaru and that was his meaning in life. He found his meaning and thus became "complete". This is a traditional trope in writing that humans in real life very much share.

We, as humans tend to feel "complete" or "at peace" when we know what to do, how to do it and capable of doing it. Kimimaro always knew what he wanted to do and how he could do it, though when his body fell ill he lost the capability to do it. That is why in the end he was considered "happy" because he was again capable of doing what he wanted and knew how to do, serving Orochimaru to his dying breath. The only time he wasn't "complete" in this sense was from when he fell ill to the point he got out of the bed to fetch Sasuke.



That was the point of Kimimaro's character. The logic you're using is "because only 1 is, no one can be". Yes it is rare for an adult to be "complete" and even more so for a kid to be, but its by no means impossible. Same way that people never find purpose or peace in their lives, some find it early. Same way someone never grows up, some have grown beyond their years at a young age. People are different and that was (likely) the intent with Kimimaro's character. To be "complete" or "at peace" doesn't mean the end specifically, it means that you are happy with what you've done, what you are doing and what you want to do. To do that you must first know what, then how and then be capable of doing those things.

Not to mention that Kimimaro was at "the end" in his life and was content with the life he had lived, he even become vocally mad when confronted with the idea that he was just manipulated. Stating that was never the case, that he always did what he truly wanted, what he felt he needed to and what he was capable of doing, even to his dying breath.



As I mentioned above, when Gaara comments that Kimimaro was nothing but a pawn to Orochimaru he doesn't scream in a fit "NO YOU" like you imply. He first comments that he doesn't really care what Orochimaru views him as, he is content with that. He also remarks that Gaara is indeed wrong, as being used implies that you aren't aware and that you aren't doing what you want, that you don't have a personality. Kimimaro is quick to note that he does have a personality, he is doing what he want and he is content with that. The specific dialogue is Gaara referring to Kimimaro as "brainswashed" for saying that Orochimaru will always "remember me in his heart".

Yet Kimimaro also admits that he is nothing but a tool, a pawn, a "arm" of Orochimaru. He is clearly aware of the relationship they have and yet he is content with that. Another important thing to take away from this is that regardless of whenever he thinks Orochimaru cares is irrelevant in this scenario. He is still doing what he wants, what he can and what he is capable of.



I said that he was that in context of Kishimoto's writing, as outlined by Obito and Madara. Those that love will learn to hate, that is the flaw of mankind as they see it. They aren't inaccurate either and Naruto admits this, but refuses to believe that is all there is to it. In other words, even if it is futile, Naruto believes that its worth trying to prove it wrong.



Sasuke embodies the concepts of "learning" and "evolution" which is clearly demonstrated in his dialogue. He also didn't kill Orochimaru out of any other reason than spite and power. He states to Naruto that he doesn't care if Orochimaru takes his body or not as long as Itachi dies. To ensure the strongest survive he attacked Orochimaru and had a battle. Regardless of who wins, the stronger will survive and that person will face Itachi. He survived and therefore was the strongest in mind and body. Sasuke also only ever refused to kill innocents until the point where he lost faith in the world, when his hatred couldn't be focused on one person alone.

Sasuke's main flaw through the story that he realizes himself after meeting Itachi again was his limited knowledge. He lashed out in anger based on nothing but ignorance, he didn't know anything and just acted on pure emotion. We as readers see this as childish and stupid, but in reality this is what a lot of people do as well. He wasn't focused on solving the bigger issue, but the one right in-front of him that believed was the larger issue.



Sasuke is neither evil, nor good. He is a gray area as opposed to Madara and Naruto. He is suppose to be that, he is suppose to be the middle ground. He acts as this through his actions of choosing the path of neither wholly good or wholly evil and this finally accumulates in what he sees as "The Way of Shinobi" at the end of the story. "A person who endures so that others don't have to." Combining the morals of Madara and Naruto, someone who takes it on to themselves to protect those who can't like Madara did, but one who does it for others and not for oneself like Naruto wish was born from.
You’re way off Sasuke didn’t lash out due to ignorance, he lashed out because of his outrage at finally realizing the TRUTH of how Danzo manipulated Itachi into killing the Uchiha in promises that Sasuke wouldn’t get caught up in a potential war. And that’s not a fault of human beings or Sasuke Uchiha. It is PERFECTLY reasonable for anyone to be angry and lash out in being deceived especially in Sasukes case where his entire family is murdered. I don’t see how you can twist that into being some kind of fault of Sasukes, especially given his situation being exposed to that kind of genocide committed on all his friends and family as a young child and the person doing it being his brother only to later find out that his brother was manipulated into doing it.

If Sasuke were to go on a murderous Rampage initially after the Uchiha massacre then I’d view it as a fault but in reality Sasuke shows I just how noble he is by choosing to avenge his clan and eliminate evil in its rawest form. And his lashing out at the village after learning of its wrong doings is understandable. He spent his entire life trying to rid the world of what he perceived to be a cancer to humanity only to find out the real cancer was a fucked up system that hoped benefited from his suffering and the genocide of his clan friends and family. Sasuke was right for looking to change everything. In no way is that some kind of human flaw. That’s being a revolutionary.

Sasuke also isn’t a mesh between Madara and Naruto not by a long shot. He’s more of what Kishi intended an alternative to Naruto, simply someone with a different set of methods to achieving his goals. Just like Madara is to Hashirama. What separates Sasuke from Madara was Madara was more inclined to commit atrocities to achieving his goals without being completely mind fucked like Sasuke was to be driven to the point of murdering without hesitation. Madara Lost his brothers as casualties of war, and didn’t fall of the deep end until being deceived by Zetsu altering hagaromos stones, and decided peace couldn’t be achieved through any form of democracy but had to be achieved through IT. Sasuke despite all he had been through remained consistent in his quests not involving anyone who didn’t need to be and not forsaking his morals up until his view of the world was turned upside down upon learning the truth and that his quest to eliminate what he perceived as evil was for nothing. He also doesn’t share any of Narutos qualities other than the basic human ones, love for friends and comrades and morals, all things Madara himself had as well.
 

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How many people like Kimimaru? Just a very vocal minority. If you put Sasuke into the equation, then all the self-inserting male and female Incels come crying to defend their projections; otherwise, he's a paper-thin and empty character. The manga makes him vastly inferior to Sasuke then so he is. No sane person cares about anyone's threadbare nit-picking of facts.

I see Sakura wankers are still under the delusion that shitting on Sasuke would make her more relevant, talented, or skilled compared to Sasuke in the manga when the truth will always remain the opposite. It's so, so sad and hilarious!
 
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Sasuke also isn’t a mesh between Madara and Naruto not by a long shot. He’s more of what Kishi intended an alternative to Naruto, simply someone with a different set of methods to achieving his goals.

Just to address 1 thing. Sasuke wasn't in Kishi's original plans. He was created because of 1 of his assistants said that Naruto needed a rival.
 

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Sasuke bitched and complained about his clans massacre ALL the time like a little emo punk. It was annoying.

Simple as that.
Mind giving an example of Sasuke "bitching" as you called it? Seriously the guy rarely complained or even "bitched" as you call it. He just focused on his goal. Most of the time he brought up the massacre was when other people talked to him about it or tried to dissuade him from his goals.
 
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