Why do people like Kimimoro but dislike Sasuke

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Kimimaro was Orochimarus bitch, did whatever he said including killing without a second thought because Orochimaru paid him attention.

Sasuke was never Orochimarus bitch. Used Orochimaru to get stronger and learn forbidden techniques. Refused to kill any innocent people in his way to avenging his clan. Stuck to his morals and own beliefs and didn’t sell his soul. Took care of a problem by killing Orochimaru himself.

I don’t see what’s so likable about Kimimaro if you ask me. 15 year old Kimimaro is no where near as cool or strong as Sasuke and doesn’t have a better set of balls.

To me Kimimaro is a child who couldn’t come to terms with the idea of existing on his own and Sasuke has always been a man in the sense that he understands that things happen and makes his own decisions and takes the appropriate action based on his assessment.

In other words. Sasuke = Strong decisive, has balls, sticks to his instincts

Kimimaro = a man who murders because some guy told him to and can’t exist in the world without someone else treating him like he’s special

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lmao the title being bait. Kimimaro is a lapdog, but I don't think he's such a bitch in comparison to Sasuke. You try to define their characteristics by how they treated Orochimaru, but Kimimaru never had a reason to oppose Orochimaru. Not even moral ones since he came from a bloodthirsty clan. If you really want to see who's cooler and more hardened, you'd have to look at how they behave towards people they're impartial towards and when they're in dire moments.

Unless they were stronger than him, Sasuke was generally cocky towards everyone and always shat himself when he saw his life flashing. Contrast that to Kimi, who's shown cockiness(towards Naruto), consideration(towards Lee), and a general air of being easygoing. When approaching death, he didn't tremble like Sasuke but kept pushing forward to **** shit up with his dying breaths.

So much of Sasuke's personality was tied into how highly he thought of his strength and it highlights how much of a pussy he was. Sasuke only ever had a shining personality when in a position of power like when he stood over Orochimaru's death bed, otherwise he'd become cowardly and abandon his morals(letting Sakura get smashed by Kaguya's paw and joining Orochimaru to begin with) when his desperation told him they couldn't be afforded. If Sasuke weren't blessed with such power, he would have the shittiest personality ever.
 
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Both character exhibit character traits very strongly as per Kishimoto's writing style. Sasuke is meant to embody hatred and learning, the core elements that define humanity as a whole in Kishimoto's writing as stated by Madara and Obito. If anything I would say that Sasuke draws some inspiration from The Sith in Star Wars and their code, which if you don't know is;
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Sasuke as a character embodies a very likewise personality. Through his story we know that he thinks that "love" is a false hope that breed hatred, through hatred you gain strength, through strength you gain power and with that power you can attain any result you so wish and through obtaining your dreams you are truly at peace and therefore "free" in that sense. This climaxes in the clash between Naruto and Sasuke where they wish the same things, they aim for the same thing, but they go about it entirely different. This character path is drastically different to that of Kimmimaro who has a air of "peace" to him.

Where as Kimimaro is at peace with his life and his unavoidable death, he is satisfied with his life and therefore has no need to seek further strength, power or peace as he has already attained it. This is normally what people refer to as "growing as a person" as well. Because Sasuke is never satisfied despite all he has, he comes off as a brat who only cares about himself where as Kimimaro comes off as a complete man with respect towards others as he values his place in the world where as Sasuke doesn't value his current place in the world.

Another reason would likely be that (regardless of much they deny it) the reader can see their own faulty humanity in Sasuke, their mistakes so to speak. Most people don't know what they want to do with their lives, let alone when they are kids or young adults. This is parallel to Sasuke's character at the time where as Kimimaro has his life figured out. People will justify why they like or dislike a character right and left, but its usually something far more instinctive than a deep meaning to it. Much like how all people decide if they like or dislike a person in a few seconds after meeting them.
 
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Both character exhibit character traits very strongly as per Kishimoto's writing style. Sasuke is meant to embody hatred and learning, the core elements that define humanity as a whole in Kishimoto's writing as stated by Madara and Obito. If anything I would say that Sasuke draws some inspiration from The Sith in Star Wars and their code, which if you don't know is;


Sasuke as a character embodies a very likewise personality. Through his story we know that he thinks that "love" is a false hope that breed hatred, through hatred you gain strength, through strength you gain power and with that power you can attain any result you so wish and through obtaining your dreams you are truly at peace and therefore "free" in that sense. This climaxes in the clash between Naruto and Sasuke where they wish the same things, they aim for the same thing, but they go about it entirely different. This character path is drastically different to that of Kimmimaro who has a air of "peace" to him.

Where as Kimimaro is at peace with his life and his unavoidable death, he is satisfied with his life and therefore has no need to seek further strength, power or peace as he has already attained it. This is normally what people refer to as "growing as a person" as well. Because Sasuke is never satisfied despite all he has, he comes off as a brat who only cares about himself where as Kimimaro comes off as a complete man with respect towards others as he values his place in the world where as Sasuke doesn't value his current place in the world.

Another reason would likely be that (regardless of much they deny it) the reader can see their own faulty humanity in Sasuke, their mistakes so to speak. Most people don't know what they want to do with their lives, let alone when they are kids or young adults. This is parallel to Sasuke's character at the time where as Kimimaro has his life figured out. People will justify why they like or dislike a character right and left, but its usually something far more instinctive than a deep meaning to it. Much like how all people decide if they like or dislike a person in a few seconds after meeting them.
Kimimaro was far from complete. He couldn’t even find completeness as Orochimarus manipulates and used piper. As soon as he found out Orochimaru found a new vessel he was devistated and had to continue compensating for his self perceived indaquecy the best way he knew how, continue serving Orochimaru and kill whoever he told him to. I don’t see how that makes him a complete man. Why would a 15 year old need to be complete anyway? Life is a journey, most adults aren’t even complete. To be complete means the end. If by complete you mean he accepted being Orochimarus pawn and nothing more then I can see it. Even then he didn’t completly except being Orochimarus pawn because when Gaara mocked Kimimoro referring to him as Orochimarus pawn he was in total denial. “YOURE WRONG” lol. That doesn’t sound like completeness to me it sounds like some lost kid who’s total life was a lie, someone who convinced himself that he wasn’t just being used and thrown away, which is exactly what Orochimaru did.

And Sasuke being everything wrong with humanity? Tell me how is refusing to forsake morals exemplify everything that is wrong with humanity. Sasuke was all about justice. He went on a journey to avenge his clan and still refused to kill innocent people and was even chose to kill Orochimaru instead of giving him his body seeing as how Orochimaru was causing more harm to people than his brother ever did.

You’re right about one thing most people can see themselves inside Sasuke but these aren’t flaws. What they see is rational thought. Their own views of justice what they would probably feel if exposed to everything Sasuke is exposed to. Not saying Sasuke is without fault but he’s far from the exemplification of evil. Sasuke lives to erase evil.
 
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Kimimaro was far from complete. He couldn’t even find completeness as Orochimarus manipulates and used piper. As soon as he found out Orochimaru found a new vessel he was devistated and had to continue compensating for his self perceived indaquecy the best way he knew how, continue serving Orochimaru and kill whoever he told him to.
Kimimaro found a sense of purpose and a meaning to his life by serving Orochimaru and thus felt complete in his life. This feeling started to shatter the moment his body fell ill and he could no longer serve Orochimaru. Which is why he willingly gets up to fight regardless of the risks to his life. Because to him, nothing is more important than serving Orochimaru and that was his meaning in life. He found his meaning and thus became "complete". This is a traditional trope in writing that humans in real life very much share.

We, as humans tend to feel "complete" or "at peace" when we know what to do, how to do it and capable of doing it. Kimimaro always knew what he wanted to do and how he could do it, though when his body fell ill he lost the capability to do it. That is why in the end he was considered "happy" because he was again capable of doing what he wanted and knew how to do, serving Orochimaru to his dying breath. The only time he wasn't "complete" in this sense was from when he fell ill to the point he got out of the bed to fetch Sasuke.

Life is a journey, most adults aren’t even complete. To be complete means the end. If by complete you mean he accepted being Orochimarus pawn and nothing more then I can see it.
That was the point of Kimimaro's character. The logic you're using is "because only 1 is, no one can be". Yes it is rare for an adult to be "complete" and even more so for a kid to be, but its by no means impossible. Same way that people never find purpose or peace in their lives, some find it early. Same way someone never grows up, some have grown beyond their years at a young age. People are different and that was (likely) the intent with Kimimaro's character. To be "complete" or "at peace" doesn't mean the end specifically, it means that you are happy with what you've done, what you are doing and what you want to do. To do that you must first know what, then how and then be capable of doing those things.

Not to mention that Kimimaro was at "the end" in his life and was content with the life he had lived, he even become vocally mad when confronted with the idea that he was just manipulated. Stating that was never the case, that he always did what he truly wanted, what he felt he needed to and what he was capable of doing, even to his dying breath.

“YOURE WRONG” lol. That doesn’t sound like completeness to me it sounds like some lost kid who’s total life was a lie, someone who convinced himself that he wasn’t just being used and thrown away, which is exactly what Orochimaru did.
As I mentioned above, when Gaara comments that Kimimaro was nothing but a pawn to Orochimaru he doesn't scream in a fit "NO YOU" like you imply. He first comments that he doesn't really care what Orochimaru views him as, he is content with that. He also remarks that Gaara is indeed wrong, as being used implies that you aren't aware and that you aren't doing what you want, that you don't have a personality. Kimimaro is quick to note that he does have a personality, he is doing what he want and he is content with that. The specific dialogue is Gaara referring to Kimimaro as "brainswashed" for saying that Orochimaru will always "remember me in his heart".

Yet Kimimaro also admits that he is nothing but a tool, a pawn, a "arm" of Orochimaru. He is clearly aware of the relationship they have and yet he is content with that. Another important thing to take away from this is that regardless of whenever he thinks Orochimaru cares is irrelevant in this scenario. He is still doing what he wants, what he can and what he is capable of.

And Sasuke being everything wrong with humanity?
I said that he was that in context of Kishimoto's writing, as outlined by Obito and Madara. Those that love will learn to hate, that is the flaw of mankind as they see it. They aren't inaccurate either and Naruto admits this, but refuses to believe that is all there is to it. In other words, even if it is futile, Naruto believes that its worth trying to prove it wrong.

Sasuke was all about justice. He went on a journey to avenge his clan and still refused to kill innocent people and was even chose to kill Orochimaru instead of giving him his body seeing as how Orochimaru was causing more harm to people than his brother ever did.
Sasuke embodies the concepts of "learning" and "evolution" which is clearly demonstrated in his dialogue. He also didn't kill Orochimaru out of any other reason than spite and power. He states to Naruto that he doesn't care if Orochimaru takes his body or not as long as Itachi dies. To ensure the strongest survive he attacked Orochimaru and had a battle. Regardless of who wins, the stronger will survive and that person will face Itachi. He survived and therefore was the strongest in mind and body. Sasuke also only ever refused to kill innocents until the point where he lost faith in the world, when his hatred couldn't be focused on one person alone.

Sasuke's main flaw through the story that he realizes himself after meeting Itachi again was his limited knowledge. He lashed out in anger based on nothing but ignorance, he didn't know anything and just acted on pure emotion. We as readers see this as childish and stupid, but in reality this is what a lot of people do as well. He wasn't focused on solving the bigger issue, but the one right in-front of him that believed was the larger issue.

Sasuke lives to erase evil.
Sasuke is neither evil, nor good. He is a gray area as opposed to Madara and Naruto. He is suppose to be that, he is suppose to be the middle ground. He acts as this through his actions of choosing the path of neither wholly good or wholly evil and this finally accumulates in what he sees as "The Way of Shinobi" at the end of the story. "A person who endures so that others don't have to." Combining the morals of Madara and Naruto, someone who takes it on to themselves to protect those who can't like Madara did, but one who does it for others and not for oneself like Naruto wish was born from.
 

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lmao the title being bait. Kimimaro is a lapdog, but I don't think he's such a bitch in comparison to Sasuke. You try to define their characteristics by how they treated Orochimaru, but Kimimaru never had a reason to oppose Orochimaru. Not even moral ones since he came from a bloodthirsty clan. If you really want to see who's cooler and more hardened, you'd have to look at how they behave towards people they're impartial towards and when they're in dire moments.

Unless they were stronger than him, Sasuke was generally cocky towards everyone and always shat himself when he saw his life flashing. Contrast that to Kimi, who's shown cockiness(towards Naruto), consideration(towards Lee), and a general air of being easygoing. When approaching death, he didn't tremble like Sasuke but kept pushing forward to **** shit up with his dying breaths.

So much of Sasuke's personality was tied into how highly he thought of his strength and it highlights how much of a pussy he was. Sasuke only ever had a shining personality when in a position of power like when he stood over Orochimaru's death bed, otherwise he'd become cowardly and abandon his morals(letting Sakura get smashed by Kaguya's paw and joining Orochimaru to begin with) when his desperation told him they couldn't be afforded. If Sasuke weren't blessed with such power, he would have the shittiest personality ever.
Lee and Naruto were bad examples. Sasuke was introduced into the series with Naruto - the class clown, trying to pick a fight with him, and Lee made it known that he was challenging him to battle because of his dead clan's legacy. Ofcourse Sasuke wouldn't react positively to them both. Rather, he took a tough stance against their bullying. Generally, Sasuke was reserved. Cool, calm, and collected.

You also overlooked several situations where Sasuke was in life or death scenarios and risked his life against superior opponents to protect his comrades. That being Haku, Orochimaru, and Shukaku Gaara. Kimimaro on the otherhand knew he was going to die. And knowing Orochimaru needed to switch bodies ASAP, he unhesistantly fought with no remorse.

Kimimaro fighting Lee, and Gaara to his death was achieving his goal of serving Orochimaru. Sasuke risking his life to protect Naruto and Sakura from Haku, Orochimaru, and Gaara wouldn't avenge the Uchiha.

"Joining" Orochimaru wasn't against his morals. Sasuke has said multiple times that he would do what he needs to inorder to gain the power to avenge his clan. What he was against, as stated to Orochimaru, is toying with peoples lives to gain power (Itachi with Uchiha, Orochimaru with his victims). And i don't see your point about Sakura.
 
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Lee and Naruto were bad examples. Sasuke was introduced into the series with Naruto - the class clown, trying to pick a fight with him, and Lee made it known that he was challenging him to battle because of his dead clan's legacy. Ofcourse Sasuke wouldn't react positively to them both. Rather, he took a tough stance against their bullying. Generally, Sasuke was reserved. Cool, calm, and collected.

You also overlooked several situations where Sasuke was in life or death scenarios and risked his life against superior opponents to protect his comrades. That being Haku, Orochimaru, and Shukaku Gaara. Kimimaro on the otherhand knew he was going to die. And knowing Orochimaru needed to switch bodies ASAP, he unhesistantly fought with no remorse.

Kimimaro fighting Lee, and Gaara to his death was achieving his goal of serving Orochimaru. Sasuke risking his life to protect Naruto and Sakura from Haku, Orochimaru, and Gaara wouldn't avenge the Uchiha.
you have a point. The situations were Sasuke attempted to sacrifice himself were more ballsy because the choices were optional. I must've forgotten plenty because I've always recalled Sasuke freezing up, but that's not the case.
"Joining" Orochimaru wasn't against his morals. Sasuke has said multiple times that he would do what he needs to inorder to gain the power to avenge his clan. What he was against, as stated to Orochimaru, is toying with peoples lives to gain power (Itachi with Uchiha, Orochimaru with his victims). And i don't see your point about Sakura.
So Sasuke himself says he'd go up against his morals. My point with Sakura is also something that wasn't remembered correctly. I thought Sasuke was holding onto his Ameno rather than simply being too slow to use it.
 

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you have a point. The situations were Sasuke attempted to sacrifice himself were more ballsy because the choices were optional. I must've forgotten plenty because I've always recalled Sasuke freezing up, but that's not the case.

So Sasuke himself says he'd go up against his morals. My point with Sakura is also something that wasn't remembered correctly. I thought Sasuke was holding onto his Ameno rather than simply being too slow to use it.
He wasn't being literal. Otherwise he wouldn't have been against killing people. It was a statement to show his determination. The option to "join" Orochimaru was in mind. He just wasn't going to kill anyone for the man.

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He wasn't being literal. Otherwise he wouldn't have been against killing people. It was a statement to show his determination. The option to "join" Orochimaru was in mind. He just wasn't going to kill anyone for the man.

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Sasuke didn't kill people because he had no reason to. He probably would've done it if Orochimaru threatened to withold training or drugs. I'm not saying this is an example of him betraying his morals though(not anymore at least). Just a precursor to it.
 

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Sasuke didn't kill people because he had no reason to. He probably would've done it if Orochimaru threatened to withold training or drugs. I'm not saying this is an example of him betraying his morals though(not anymore at least). Just a precursor to it.
He was against it in general. He despised Orochimaru for his methods of gaining power - toying with peoples lives, using medicines (drugs) to enhance his power - because it reminded him of Itachi.

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Sasuke using drugs was just speculation by Tsunade because she was shocked at how strong he became. She personally knows Orochimaru and believed he may have experimented on him.
 

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He was against it in general. He despised Orochimaru for his methods of gaining power - toying with peoples lives, using medicines (drugs) to enhance his power - because it reminded him of Itachi.

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Sasuke using drugs was just speculation by Tsunade because she was shocked at how strong he became. She personally knows Orochimaru and believed he may have experimented on him.
Sasuke's concern is less about the drugs specifically and more about the bigger picture of Orochimaru trying to claw his way up to an Uchiha's level. I'm not saying Sasuke took drugs, because Tsunade clearly isn't in a position to know, but that Sasuke would definitely take those drugs. Actually, I guess I am saying Sasuke took those drugs:sigar: assuming they were offered. I mean look at his track record. He's not against using slimy methods to obtain power. No more than minutes after saying that, Sasuke walked out of that room with Orochimaru living within himself.
 
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Sasuke's concern is less about the drugs specifically and more about the bigger picture of Orochimaru trying to claw his way up to an Uchiha's level. I'm not saying Sasuke took drugs, because Tsunade clearly isn't in a position to know, but that Sasuke would definitely take those drugs. Actually, I guess I am saying Sasuke took those drugs:sigar: assuming they were offered. I mean look at his track record. He's not against using slimy methods to obtain power. No more than minutes after saying that, Sasuke walked out of that room with Orochimaru living within himself.
Good point. Although dealing with Orochimaru was necessary given he was after his body. I can see him taking drugs as a last resort.
 

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Both of their clans were massacred.
Difference being:

Kimimaru was dying and was content being a tool of Orochimaru. He didn’t complain about his lot in life. He excepted it to his dying breath.

Sasuke bitched and complained about his clans massacre ALL the time like a little emo punk. It was annoying.

Simple as that.
 

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Both of their clans were massacred.
Difference being:

Kimimaru was dying and was content being a tool of Orochimaru. He didn’t complain about his lot in life. He excepted it to his dying breath.

Sasuke bitched and complained about his clans massacre ALL the time like a little emo punk. It was annoying.

Simple as that.
Kimimaro's clan were nothing but war mongerers who died in battle. Uchiha were honorable people betrayed and wiped out by one of their own/their own village. Big difference. Sasuke only "bitched" about his clan when he was pressed.

- Left the village without saying a word to Naruto, who then hunted him down to the Valley. Even then he didn't say much. We learned his past by him recalling it through flashback.

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- 3 years later, as usual he is minding his own business, then Naruto hunts him down again. Demanding answers. Sasuke's response,

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- Sakura actually complained that he didn't speak about his problems.

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- Kakashi had to tie him up inorder to speak with him.

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Really can't explain Kimimaru except for maybe his Kekkei Genkai, but here are reasons why Sasuke's hated

1. His fanbase has literally has overhyped on multiple occasions and I'm not going to mention his rivarly with Naruto because it'll be way too cancerous.

Arguments of the Sasuke fan base

Sasuke had the stamina and chakra to fight the 5 Kages and Danzo who Sasuke beat by himself


Reality check

No he didn't. The WZ restored his chakra after being saved him from Mizu and he was also healed by Karin before fighting Danzo as well not to mention he was getting stomped on by the 4th Raikage as well. He didn't beat Danzo by himself either. Karin and Obito assited him in battle as well

Arguments of the Sasuke fan base

Sasuke cut Juudara in half

Reality check

This is indeed true, but Madara quickly regenerated from that as well.


Arguments of the Sasuke fan base


Sasuke came real close to killing Itachi with the Kirin and Itachi said that if he hadn't used the Susanoo he'd be dead


Reality


Itachi held back during that entire fight and Obito literally stated if Itachi really wanted him dead then he would be in chapter 401. Anyone who's not convinced can Google Obito tells Sasuke the truth about Itachi and they'll see for himself


Arguments of the Sasuke fan base

Sasuke's rinnegan has the same abilities as Madara's

Reality check

There's no proof that they have all of the same abilties aside from Planetary Devestation and chakra absorption. If that was the case there should've been at least a statement by Kishi that backs up their statement, which would help their argument.


2. Another reason why Sasuke is hated is because of his EMO attitude after the Uchiha Clan is destroyed and when he found out the truth about Itachi he wanted to destroy all of Kohana after his fight with Danzo and only jouned the war after talking with Hashirama, thus going from avenger to maniac up until the wa after the Kage Summit.

3. NaruSaku and LeeSaku fans both hate Sasuke because he's been abusive to Sakura and tried to kill her although there were times that Sasuke has shown to care about Sakura.

When the cursemark was 1st activated

When he told Naruto to get Sakura away from Gaara

He also blushed twice when they were sitting on the porch and in the tree climbing exercise

None of this to excuse what Sasuke has done to her, but just saying that there were instances that he's shown to care about Sakura not to mention she tried to kill him too at the Kage Summit.


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