[Discussion] Why Do People Keep Claiming Shanks Can Take Out Akainu?

[arv993]

When has Oda showed us that Shanks>Akainu?

>Comes out uninjured against several Yonko commanders, all the same time
>Takes the strongest attack seen from a Yonko with no sustaining injuries
>Sends a man who wanted to fight WB pirates, Fleet Admiral and Three Admirals running in fear, even when he had backup from his entire crew
>Stated by Oda that he'd become Pirate King in just two years
All Shanks has is:

>Getting Kaido to back off via an unknown method, more than likely not battle
>One quick clash with Whitebeard
>The title of Yonko, which should be the same level as an Admiral

And yet, Shanks has better hype. Right.

u seem ticked off today are u good? Let's break down hype

Shanks split the heavens/ clouds with a simple clash with wb and right there is a hint this guy is no joke and this is a fresh old wb.

Akainu is a logia who tend to fare better in terms of being durable and all admirals seem to have high durability from the initial trio. no one ever took that away from him. He is as strong as aokiji he has to fight 10 days with a guy who had a slight disadvantage df wise from what it seems like but regardless both are dead even. Not really convincing compared to Kaido hype or even shanks at this point. Even current BB is hyped really well by destroying Marco and remanents and taking on revs etc.

He should've lower end of high diffed a old battered sick wb but he used squardo and Oda showed clearly that wb took a lot of damage b4 akainu and even after akainu. A guy like shanks wouldn't have these issues because as the fight goes on he would have such a clear cut advantage due to his youth/stamina etc.

He didn't beat any of the commanders and was even with Marco did not overpower him or anything.

And u should give up on the Bb thing, the guy runs away after taking on revs from CP0. I'm sure as a yonko who can take on revs and Marco and co can take on CP0 who aren't the navy's biggest military powers. But believe what u want I guess ur theory is debunked on that and I love ur exaggeration, u say that he wanted to take on all 3 admirals, shanks and Garp and sengoku, like do u really believe that dude?? He was messing with Garp and sengoku with his crew but he was gonna do that with 5 more top tiers.

Yonko is on avg have better hype than an admiral, fujitora gets disrespected by ppl like doffy, and fujitora has no hype even on big moms level let alone the other 3 guys. And akainu is the best in hype and feats from the admirals side and it's a big debate with him Bb, and shanks and we kno Kaido is above him. Admirals come up short sorry to break it to u.

 

[A v i]

One of the strongest pirates the OP world has ever seen and is stated/implied to be on par with all the characters who holds "The World Strongest" titles i.e. WSM,WSC and WSS.

One and only rival of current WSS.

One of 3 people worthy of wearing Roger's hat with the other two being Pirate King candidates. In other words, he's the dude with Pirate King potential from his generation.

The best COC user thus far in the series.

Matched a two handed attack of much healthier version of Sick and wounded WB who was holding his own against Akainu with single hand and split the heaven itself in two as a result.

Prevented his fellow Yonko from going after WB and seemingly had a brief skirmish with the WSC and came out without so much as a scratch.

Stopped a punch from furious Akainu with 0 effort.

His underling is strong enough to threaten a marine admiral as strong as Akainu, Shanks on the other hand should logically be substantially stronger than his VC which speaks for volumes.

His presence alone is enough to stop a war which involves most of the worlds superpowers.

Last but not the least, the current fleet admiral himself didn't dare moving a muscle when Shanks stood in his way. Regardless of his reasons for not making a move, That's clearly a sign of superiority right there.

Akainu has nothing over Shanks, except for that he has more feats which was a resultant of more panel time. Nothing about Akainu makes him look superior to Shanks in slightest.

 

[arv993]

One of the strongest pirates the OP world has ever seen and is stated/implied to be on par with all the characters who holds "The World Strongest" titles i.e. WSM,WSC and WSS.

One and only rival of current WSS.

One of 3 people worthy of wearing Roger's hat with the other two being Pirate King candidates. In other words, he's the dude with Pirate King potential from his generation.

The best COC user thus far in the series.

Matched a two handed attack of much healthier version of Sick and wounded WB who was holding his own against Akainu with single hand and split the heaven itself in two as a result.

Prevented his fellow Yonko from going after WB and seemingly had a brief skirmish with the WSC and came out without so much as a scratch.

Stopped a punch from furious Akainu with 0 effort.

His underling is strong enough to threaten a marine admiral as strong as Akainu, Shanks on the other hand should logically be substantially stronger than his VC which speaks for volumes.

His presence alone is enough to stop a war which involves most of the worlds superpowers.

Last but not the least, the current fleet admiral himself didn't dare moving a muscle when Shanks stood in his way. Regardless of his reasons for not making a move, That's clearly a sign of superiority right there.

Akainu has nothing over Shanks, except for that he has more feats which was a resultant of more panel time. Nothing about Akainu makes him look superior to Shanks in slightest.

Mostly agree but Ben beckham from a hype standpoint looks close to shanks like Rayleigh to roger type. Or a zoro to pre G4 luffy, but that's me it's illogical for shanks to be substantially stronger cuz the power balance wouldn't make sense but he does have an edge on akainu without a doubt.

 

[Bogard]

Due to Shanks' better portrayal in the war when he stopped him and Akainu did nothing. We can't use feats to say who is stronger when Akainu got the chance to go all out in the war when Shanks didn't

 

[Punk Hazard]

u seem ticked off today are u good? Let's break down hype

Shanks split the heavens/ clouds with a simple clash with wb and right there is a hint this guy is no joke and this is a fresh old wb.

No one said the guy was a joke. Congrats, he clashed evenly with Whitebeard. So did Akainu.

Akainu is a logia who tend to fare better in terms of being durable and all admirals seem to have high durability from the initial trio. no one ever took that away from him. He is as strong as aokiji he has to fight 10 days with a guy who had a slight disadvantage df wise from what it seems like but regardless both are dead even. Not really convincing compared to Kaido hype or even shanks at this point. Even current BB is hyped really well by destroying Marco and remanents and taking on revs etc.

1. Akainu and Aokiji being at near equal levels doesn't reduce the hype from Akainu, it builds Aokiji's hype up to the same level as him.

2. Who cares about Kaido? We're talking about Shanks here. What applies for Kaido doesn't necessarily apply for Shanks as well.

3. Teach defeating the Marco pirates is indeed hype....for Teach's CREW. His CREW defeated the CREW of the Marco pirates. That's not individual hype. Akainu had the hype of INDIVIDUALLY facing off against all of WB's commanders minus Jozu and Ace and dozens of their allies BY HIMSELF and leaving the fight with NO further injuries.

He should've lower end of high diffed a old battered sick wb but he used squardo

I guess no matter how many times I show you that SENGOKU used Squard and Akainu just followed orders, you're gonna keep talking as though it was Akainu's idea. Just shows how incapable of good debate you're being.

and Oda showed clearly that wb took a lot of damage b4 akainu

No he didn't.

and even after akainu. A guy like shanks wouldn't have these issues because as the fight goes on he would have such a clear cut advantage due to his youth/stamina etc.

***** what? If Akainu fought Whitebeard without Squard's stab, then Whitebeard would have had his heart attack anyways. Squard's stab didn't cause that. When WB's heart attack hit, Marco noted that his health was dropping to all-time lows already, AND Akainu noted that even WB couldn't escape old age. Both of these indicate that WB's heart attack was caused by his body's already existing ailments, not the stab. At best, Squard's attack MIGHT have sped up the timing of the heart attack(nothing suggests this whatsoever), but Akainu was already matching Whitebeard evenly. All that would have happened would be that they'd keep clashing for a little while longer before Whitebeard's old age kicks in, and the same would happen with Shanks.

He didn't beat any of the commanders and was even with Marco did not overpower him or anything.

He fought all of them at the same time and came out without injury.

And u should give up on the Bb thing, the guy runs away after taking on revs from CP0. I'm sure as a yonko who can take on revs and Marco and co can take on CP0 who aren't the navy's biggest military powers. But believe what u want I guess ur theory is debunked on that and I love ur exaggeration, u say that he wanted to take on all 3 admirals, shanks and Garp and sengoku, like do u really believe that dude?? He was messing with Garp and sengoku with his crew but he was gonna do that with 5 more top tiers.

You think Teach expected to declare he was gonna sink Marineford to the bottom of the ocean in front of the Admirals, Sengoku, and Garp, and he expected them NOT to try and stop him at any point? By declaring in front of all of them that he would be sinking Marineford, he challenged all of them to battle. Sure, he was going off the power trip of getting the Gura Gura no Mi, but it stills shows Teach's reckless style that immediately disappeared when he had to fight Akainu. That's hype.

Yonko is on avg have better hype than an admiral, fujitora gets disrespected by ppl like doffy,

Lmfao so? Crocodile and Luffy both disrespected Whitebeard, I guess that brings Whitebeard's hype to the levels of garbage now, right?

and fujitora has no hype even on big moms level let alone the other 3 guys.

Who cares about Fujitora? He was JUST introduced. Aokiji didn't have any hype when he was first introduced either.

One of the strongest pirates the OP world has ever seen and is stated/implied to be on par with all the characters who holds "The World Strongest" titles i.e. WSM,WSC and WSS.

Akainu is also implied to be on par with these characters. He blocked Whitebeard's swing of his bisento with one leg, and fought him evenly until his heart attack, where Akainu delivered a direct blow and could have killed him if plot didn't demand Whitebeard live on.

One of 3 people worthy of wearing Roger's hat with the other two being Pirate King candidates. In other words, he's the dude with Pirate King potential from his generation.

And Oda stated that if Akainu was a pirate, he'd become the Pirate King in two years of his journey. Compare that to Luffy, who also has this super amazing hype of having the Strawhat, who is taking three years. This hat isn't hype, it's just a character device.

The best COC user thus far in the series.

For one, there are no feats of this. Shanks' use of CoC has only deflected a Sea King, which Luffy knocked out with one punch, and causes slight cracks to the side of Whitebeard's ship. Meanwhile, Doflamingo and Luffy's CoC causes cracks and huge gashes to rip through the sides of a mountain. Now, in terms of ON-PANEL USAGES-pay attention to ON-PANEL USAGES, don't try and twist my words when you reply-Shanks has never displayed CoC feats that were that high. So to say he has the best is nothing but assumption, as logical and plausible as it might be.

Now, with that said Shanks does have CoC hype outside of on-panel usages. In the SBS, Oda said that while Luffy knocked out 50,000 of the Fishman, Shanks and Rayleigh could have knocked out all 100,000 of them. This places Shanks and Rayleigh's CoC on par with each other by hype. Now, bear this mind as you remember that Shakky ball-parked that Rayleigh is 100 times stronger than the Supernova. At 100 times stronger than the Supernova, his blast of Conqueror's Haki failed to even make them flinch except for one member of Law's crew. What good is CoC gonna be in a one on one between Shanks and Akainu if Rayleigh, at 100x stronger than the Supernova, couldn't knock them with out with what we've seen in the manga thus far?

Matched a two handed attack of much healthier version of Sick and wounded WB who was holding his own against Akainu with single hand and split the heaven itself in two as a result.

Look at my man Akainu, stopping Whitebeard's two arms.

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Prevented his fellow Yonko from going after WB and seemingly had a brief skirmish with the WSC and came out without so much as a scratch.

Stopped a punch from furious Akainu with 0 effort.

Akainu was aiming for Coby with that punch. By that logic, Daz Bones is on Mihawk's level for blocking a slash he sent for Luffy with zero effort.

His underling is strong enough to threaten a marine admiral as strong as Akainu, Shanks on the other hand should logically be substantially stronger than his VC which speaks for volumes.

@Bold: Says who?

Also, his underling threatened Kizaru, not Akainu, and that threat turned into bullshit when Kizaru leaped into the air and fired at Luffy anyways, and all Beckman did was stand there going "Oh no, he's still attacking oh darn"

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His presence alone is enough to stop a war which involves most of the worlds superpowers.

****ing sigh.

Last but not the least, the current fleet admiral himself didn't dare moving a muscle when Shanks stood in his way. Regardless of his reasons for not making a move, That's clearly a sign of superiority right there.

No it's not. You can't say regardless of the reasons because the real reason has nothing to do with battle strength. It's the same reason SHANKS' CREW, not Shanks alone, led to the war ending: Politics.

The balance of power needed to be maintained. The World Government finds the balance of the three powers as something that absolutely needs to be maintained. Win or lose, engaging Shanks wasn't something anyone there could just jump into without thought.

Also, by this logic, Shanks is weaker than Kizaru and Aokiji because he just stood around ****ing with Buggy instead of making a move to stop them from trying to stop Luffy's escape.

 

[arv993]

No one said the guy was a joke. Congrats, he clashed evenly with Whitebeard. So did Akainu.



1. Akainu and Aokiji being at near equal levels doesn't reduce the hype from Akainu, it builds Aokiji's hype up to the same level as him.

2. Who cares about Kaido? We're talking about Shanks here. What applies for Kaido doesn't necessarily apply for Shanks as well.

3. Teach defeating the Marco pirates is indeed hype....for Teach's CREW. His CREW defeated the CREW of the Marco pirates. That's not individual hype. Akainu had the hype of INDIVIDUALLY facing off against all of WB's commanders minus Jozu and Ace and dozens of their allies BY HIMSELF and leaving the fight with NO further injuries.


I guess no matter how many times I show you that SENGOKU used Squard and Akainu just followed orders, you're gonna keep talking as though it was Akainu's idea. Just shows how incapable of good debate you're being.


No he didn't.



***** what? If Akainu fought Whitebeard without Squard's stab, then Whitebeard would have had his heart attack anyways. Squard's stab didn't cause that. When WB's heart attack hit, Marco noted that his health was dropping to all-time lows already, AND Akainu noted that even WB couldn't escape old age. Both of these indicate that WB's heart attack was caused by his body's already existing ailments, not the stab. At best, Squard's attack MIGHT have sped up the timing of the heart attack(nothing suggests this whatsoever), but Akainu was already matching Whitebeard evenly. All that would have happened would be that they'd keep clashing for a little while longer before Whitebeard's old age kicks in, and the same would happen with Shanks.



He fought all of them at the same time and came out without injury.



You think Teach expected to declare he was gonna sink Marineford to the bottom of the ocean in front of the Admirals, Sengoku, and Garp, and he expected them NOT to try and stop him at any point? By declaring in front of all of them that he would be sinking Marineford, he challenged all of them to battle. Sure, he was going off the power trip of getting the Gura Gura no Mi, but it stills shows Teach's reckless style that immediately disappeared when he had to fight Akainu. That's hype.


Lmfao so? Crocodile and Luffy both disrespected Whitebeard, I guess that brings Whitebeard's hype to the levels of garbage now, right?


Who cares about Fujitora? He was JUST introduced. Aokiji didn't have any hype when he was first introduced either.



Akainu is also implied to be on par with these characters. He blocked Whitebeard's swing of his bisento with one leg, and fought him evenly until his heart attack, where Akainu delivered a direct blow and could have killed him if plot didn't demand Whitebeard live on.



And Oda stated that if Akainu was a pirate, he'd become the Pirate King in two years of his journey. Compare that to Luffy, who also has this super amazing hype of having the Strawhat, who is taking three years. This hat isn't hype, it's just a character device.


For one, there are no feats of this. Shanks' use of CoC has only deflected a Sea King, which Luffy knocked out with one punch, and causes slight cracks to the side of Whitebeard's ship. Meanwhile, Doflamingo and Luffy's CoC causes cracks and huge gashes to rip through the sides of a mountain. Now, in terms of ON-PANEL USAGES-pay attention to ON-PANEL USAGES, don't try and twist my words when you reply-Shanks has never displayed CoC feats that were that high. So to say he has the best is nothing but assumption, as logical and plausible as it might be.

Now, with that said Shanks does have CoC hype outside of on-panel usages. In the SBS, Oda said that while Luffy knocked out 50,000 of the Fishman, Shanks and Rayleigh could have knocked out all 100,000 of them. This places Shanks and Rayleigh's CoC on par with each other by hype. Now, bear this mind as you remember that Shakky ball-parked that Rayleigh is 100 times stronger than the Supernova. At 100 times stronger than the Supernova, his blast of Conqueror's Haki failed to even make them flinch except for one member of Law's crew. What good is CoC gonna be in a one on one between Shanks and Akainu if Rayleigh, at 100x stronger than the Supernova, couldn't knock them with out with what we've seen in the manga thus far?



Look at my man Akainu, stopping Whitebeard's two arms.

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Akainu was aiming for Coby with that punch. By that logic, Daz Bones is on Mihawk's level for blocking a slash he sent for Luffy with zero effort.


@Bold: Says who?

Also, his underling threatened Kizaru, not Akainu, and that threat turned into bullshit when Kizaru leaped into the air and fired at Luffy anyways, and all Beckman did was stand there going "Oh no, he's still attacking oh darn"

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****ing sigh.


No it's not. You can't say regardless of the reasons because the real reason has nothing to do with battle strength. It's the same reason SHANKS' CREW, not Shanks alone, led to the war ending: Politics.

The balance of power needed to be maintained. The World Government finds the balance of the three powers as something that absolutely needs to be maintained. Win or lose, engaging Shanks wasn't something anyone there could just jump into without thought.

Also, by this logic, Shanks is weaker than Kizaru and Aokiji because he just stood around ****ing with Buggy instead of making a move to stop them from trying to stop Luffy's escape.

Not casual clashes a lot of ppl can do that with wb but a clash like that from a healthy wb showed he is dead even from the start and it's not hard to see that in an all out fight shanks wins.

Lol Doffy can clash with fujitora's sword with his leg so Doffy>= an admiral like Fuji, small scale clashes don't mean anything but shanks did it was setup to show they can absolutely match each other. Stop reaching and don't compare Doffy to preskip luffy really bad examples.

Dude do u have a comprehension problem BB was trying to sink MF which he had the power to do ands shanks and all those guys coming to challenge him brought him back to reality. And he just ran away from CP0 after deciding to take on Revs so the guy is an opportunist that's a wrap on that. its official BB is usually going to run away don't argue and embarrass yourself more by clinging on to really weak sauce hype like that.

In your own scan it shows akainu and sengoku together executing the plan, and akainu was the main guy doing it. Ur argument makes no sense cuz akainu committed it sure sengoku planned it but both wanted to make wb as weak as possible. I remember u used to say it was a smart move by akainu and now u say he didn't plan it so he didn't believe in his actions. Talk about bias lol

Wb also took more damage b4 his clash with akainu, squardos stab did hurt him and accelerated his heart atfack it was a clean stab which fully cut through and was near the heart. Add to it he got other injuries that OdA takes the time to mention and akainu still can't beat him, if shanks was in that position he would've beat him lower end of high diff. He can do that without any bs squardos help or wb getting shit on for a while

He fought commanders but didn't win, he clashed with Marco and didn't win he stalemated a bunch of ppl. my question is why didn't he curb stomp Marco then he only matched with him.

U made the claim that admiral = yonko so I brought in fujitora, big mom is new she still has better hype than fujitora.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Not casual clashes a lot of ppl can do that with wb but a clash like that from a healthy wb showed he is dead even from the start and it's not hard to see that in an all out fight shanks wins.

Akainu and WB never had a casual clash, and neither did Shanks and WB. WB has also never been healthy in the current storyline, he was just as sick and old as when he clashed with Shanks.

Lol Doffy can clash with fujitora's sword with his leg so Doffy>= an admiral like Fuji, small scale clashes don't mean anything but shanks did it was setup to show they can absolutely match each other. Stop reaching and don't compare Doffy to preskip luffy really bad examples.

Doffy and Fujitora is something that's an entirely different conversation. I'd be happy to disprove your BS here, but that would require another thread.

Also, the comparison between Doffy and Luffy has nothing to do with power. That just shows how small-minded your approach to looking at these VS battles are. Your logic is that because Doflamingo disrespected an Admiral, that Admirals are lower than Yonko, even though Yonkos have been disrespected before. The reason I brought up Luffy and Crocodile disrespecting Whitebeard in the first place is to show how ridiculous and faulty your claim is in the first place.

Dude do u have a comprehension problem BB was trying to sink MF which he had the power to do ands shanks and all those guys coming to challenge him brought him back to reality. And he just ran away from CP0 after deciding to take on Revs so the guy is an opportunist that's a wrap on that. its official BB is usually going to run away don't argue and embarrass yourself more by clinging on to really weak sauce hype like that.

This just adds to Akainu's hype. The same way Teach, the opportunist, gave up the opportunity for something he wanted because of Shanks, as you claim, he gave up the opportunity to get the warship he so desperately needed because Akainu was present.

In your own scan it shows akainu and sengoku together executing the plan, and akainu was the main guy doing it. Ur argument makes no sense cuz akainu committed it sure sengoku planned it but both wanted to make wb as weak as possible. I remember u used to say it was a smart move by akainu and now u say he didn't plan it so he didn't believe in his actions. Talk about bias lol

EXECUTING the plan together? Yes. As in, Sengoku wanted this to happen, and he ordered Akainu to do it. It's clear that Akainu doesn't give a **** about if there's some kind of advantage or not because when Squard's stab failed to do anything, Akainu charged in and fought Whitebeard by himself anyways. Akainu didn't care at all that the plan to have Squard kill Whitebeard failed.

Wb also took more damage b4 his clash with akainu, squardos stab did hurt him and accelerated his heart atfack it was a clean stab which fully cut through and was near the heart

Squard's stab was the only damage WB took at all before facing Akainu, and it was in his stomach, not near his heart. Whitebeard laughed off Squard's stab and it was never brought up again until Akainu wanted to provoke Ace. It didn't do nearly as much damage as you think, otherwise someone would have mentioned it the many times comments were made about WB's health.

Add to it he got other injuries that OdA takes the time to mention and akainu still can't beat him,

Akainu would have killed him if WB didn't create a hole lmfao. The fact that you think Akainu couldn't kill WB then when a bunch of rookies and a few impel down inmates can kill WB using ordinary bullets and plain swords shows how out of touch you are with the actual facts in the manga.

if shanks was in that position he would've beat him lower end of high diff. He can do that without any bs squardos help or wb getting shit on for a while

If Shanks got jumped by Whitebeard in a sneak attack and then WB broke the ground? Nah, he'd have fallen in too. You seem to forget that WB vs Akainu the second time wasn't a straight fight, it was a sneak attack.

He fought commanders but didn't win, he clashed with Marco and didn't win he stalemated a bunch of ppl. my question is why didn't he curb stomp Marco then he only matched with him.

Why didn't WB curbstomp Kizaru when he wanted to go stop Akainu? I'll wait.

 

[arv993]

Akainu and WB never had a casual clash, and neither did Shanks and WB. WB has also never been healthy in the current storyline, he was just as sick and old as when he clashed with Shanks.



Doffy and Fujitora is something that's an entirely different conversation. I'd be happy to disprove your BS here, but that would require another thread.

Also, the comparison between Doffy and Luffy has nothing to do with power. That just shows how small-minded your approach to looking at these VS battles are. Your logic is that because Doflamingo disrespected an Admiral, that Admirals are lower than Yonko, even though Yonkos have been disrespected before. The reason I brought up Luffy and Crocodile disrespecting Whitebeard in the first place is to show how ridiculous and faulty your claim is in the first place.



This just adds to Akainu's hype. The same way Teach, the opportunist, gave up the opportunity for something he wanted because of Shanks, as you claim, he gave up the opportunity to get the warship he so desperately needed because Akainu was present.



EXECUTING the plan together? Yes. As in, Sengoku wanted this to happen, and he ordered Akainu to do it. It's clear that Akainu doesn't give a **** about if there's some kind of advantage or not because when Squard's stab failed to do anything, Akainu charged in and fought Whitebeard by himself anyways. Akainu didn't care at all that the plan to have Squard kill Whitebeard failed.

Squard's stab was the only damage WB took at all before facing Akainu, and it was in his stomach, not near his heart. Whitebeard laughed off Squard's stab and it was never brought up again until Akainu wanted to provoke Ace. It didn't do nearly as much damage as you think, otherwise someone would have mentioned it the many times comments were made about WB's health.


Akainu would have killed him if WB didn't create a hole lmfao. The fact that you think Akainu couldn't kill WB then when a bunch of rookies and a few impel down inmates can kill WB using ordinary bullets and plain swords shows how out of touch you are with the actual facts in the manga.



If Shanks got jumped by Whitebeard in a sneak attack and then WB broke the ground? Nah, he'd have fallen in too. You seem to forget that WB vs Akainu the second time wasn't a straight fight, it was a sneak attack.



Why didn't WB curbstomp Kizaru when he wanted to go stop Akainu? I'll wait.

A warship is worth fighting an admiral lol it's so stupid but I kno you're really desperate for this to be supreme hype when it's not. Any sane person would not engage admirals, BB even left alone CP0 u convienently let that go. Are u seriously equating a warship to him wanting Mf being destroyed damn dude are u trolling or serious.

The stab that caused him a minor heart atfack, yea it helped akainu get a big freebie. He had no damage other than squardos hit b4 the heart attack which lead to point blank range attack for akainu. He was bleeding profusely from the attack read the manga again. Akainu used everything he can to get an advantage, sengoku planned it and he executed the whole thing, I guess he didn't want any kind of advantage did he lol dude the reach for akainu is insane with u. Shanks would win in an all out battle with old wb

I didn't say he only disrespected him he also clashed with him and was confident that he can take him. The guy did not have that level of confidence against kaido. Doffy is a strong enough that using him as a measure is ok but using croc or pre skip luffy is dumb. U always tend to compare nonsensical things is what I'm saying. Everyone knows Doffy is below Fuji but the gap didn't seem huge and Doffy displayed confidence in his ability to give him a hell of a fight. Where as every instance ppl like yonkos seem way out of his reach.

Akainu was told wb was there he even noticed wb but couldn't dodge him, the guy's coo abilities seem to be pretty bad and yea wb had an advantage in that attack but akainu got a freebie hit with squardo, which lead to a heart attack and he got a another hit which was a gaping hole and then a bunch of ppl came and attacked him and yet akainu couldn't kill him High diff. shanks even had one of those advantages he'd win and if wb was that battered he'd win hands down.

Your arguments are only getting worse especially the BB hype thing let it go man ur acting like a PR person for akainu, everyone with a head can see that it's not valid hype but u want him to be on that shanks level so bad. The squardo thing is getting pretty sad too but the Bb reach has me lmaooing

U are insinuating all wb commanders = akainu and I showed u Marco alone can stalemate him. And no shit wb can't just beat an admiral without an extreme diff fight.

 

[sravan]

Extinguishing Roger's bloodline was a greater priority than upholding the balance.



Because it's impossible for the World Government to go about killing every single pirate without a massive world war, which would engulf civilians as well as pirates, not to mention just plain unrealistic with the world given in One Piece.

The balance was lost with Whitebeard's death, but replacing one Yonko is far easier than replacing two.


The balanced was restored by making Blackbeard a Yonko and replacing the lost Shichibukai with Law, Buggy, and Weevil.

Here the balance being threatened clearly bothered the Marines. [x

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The Gorosei say here that the balance of the three powers can't be depended on any longer. Key words are "depended on any longer," meaning before the Paramount War, the Gorosei relied on the balance for some reason, so they did care about it. [

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Yes. If any of the other Yonko showed up, they would have stopped. As the hyperlink I gave above shows, the Gorosei wanted the balance of power for some reason, only determining until days after the war that it was unreliable, and even then, it was important to them that they quickly filled the seats of the Shichibukai and pick a new Yonko in order to fulfill the balance again.

It wasn't Shanks' presence, it was the presence of a Yonko's crew, which, win or lose, would be bad for the balance of power. I think it's safe to say I don't have to remind you AGAIN that the Gorosei regard the balance as important.

There was also the issue of protecting the image of the Marines. Both Tashigi and Smoker(and Coby) noticed the bloodlust of the Marines and how terrible it was.

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If three loyal Marines notice that what the Marines were doing during the war was wrong, you think no one viewing the war's broadcast would think the same thing by saying a bunch of Marines murder pirates in blind bloodlust like monsters?



There is zero proof of this.


Sengoku having respect towards Shanks means absolutely nothing.

WB's near-death state was never once shown to weaken his Quakes, only his reflexes and stamina.

There is zero proof that a Yonko would definitely beat Akainu.

Edit: By the way, in case you need further proof, Garp says if the balance is broken, the entire world will fall into disarray.

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so you need proof for yonko>admirals???please read marineford again..A near death WB fought the marines and he was attacked by all the 3 admirals still rekt akainu like a boss.By logic the first introduced character is the least stronger character then all the 3 are above WB.so they can beat admirals.Even if WB was the strongest yonko,the remaining yonko are still powerful enough to handle admirals..If they are that weak how can the balance be made??

The whole balance thing is ridiculous for me.The marines should be fighting pirates and protect civilians.But instead they worry about balance and let pirates do what they want?Those pirates claim territories and commit crime with out any fear..

 

[Anduril]

By this logic, the Yeti Cool Brothers>Zoro because they could have killed him when they snuck attack him rather than used something that knocked him out.

That is false. They did not have any ammunition strong enough to beat zoro. Your logic is bad.

Shanks beats Akainu with one hand xD

 

[Luther]

That is false. They did not have any ammunition strong enough to beat zoro. Your logic is bad.

Shanks beats Akainu with one hand xD

Separate the facts from the falsehoods. Shanks was able to stop a single attack on an already weakened akainu who just got smashed by arguable the strongest pirate only second to roger. Akainu is the head of the military, he wont be defeated that easily by a one armed yonko.

 

[A v i]

Akainu is also implied to be on par with these characters. He blocked Whitebeard's swing of his bisento with one leg, and fought him evenly until his heart attack, where Akainu delivered a direct blow and could have killed him if plot didn't demand Whitebeard live on.

Yeah, he had done a great job at not gaining slightest advantage against an old man who couldn't even react to an attack from Squardo. Newgate's own vulnerability is what allowed Akainu to finally land a blow on him. Is that what you call that "being on par?"

And Oda stated that if Akainu was a pirate, he'd become the Pirate King in two years of his journey. Compare that to Luffy, who also has this super amazing hype of having the Strawhat, who is taking three years. This hat isn't hype, it's just a character device.

Starting the series with an admiral class fighter as the main protagonist rather than a fodder from East Blue would indeed allow him to end the series within a year. More than 50 years of experience along with plot is what enables Akainu to end the series within a year. How old do you think Luffy will be at the end of series? Most likely less than half as old as Akainu. Akainu's potential is nowhere near that of Luffy.

For one, there are no feats of this. Shanks' use of CoC has only deflected a Sea King, which Luffy knocked out with one punch, and causes slight cracks to the side of Whitebeard's ship. Meanwhile, Doflamingo and Luffy's CoC causes cracks and huge gashes to rip through the sides of a mountain. Now, in terms of ON-PANEL USAGES-pay attention to ON-PANEL USAGES, don't try and twist my words when you reply-Shanks has never displayed CoC feats that were that high. So to say he has the best is nothing but assumption, as logical and plausible as it might be.

Many things have changed since the TS, and the way how haki gets displayed is one of them. The worst part of your post is that you're comparing a COC clash with what Shanks did; The dude just released his haki and the shock wave was so strong that it damaged a ship which had enough durability to survive the cruel Environment of the new world. When was the last time someone physically damaged an object just by releasing haki?

When was the last time someone was actually praised to have very impressive COC? Shanks is a Yonko, no one gives a shit about it if one of the strongest characters displays a level of haki what you call impressive in general. The expectations/standards would be pretty high for a Yonko. The mere fact that he was praised to have impressive haki despite his status means that he has impressive haki even for a candidate from the Yonko. By the way Oda already implied that his COC is at least twice as great as Luffy's or even more.

Now, with that said Shanks does have CoC hype outside of on-panel usages. In the SBS, Oda said that while Luffy knocked out 50,000 of the Fishman, Shanks and Rayleigh could have knocked out all 100,000 of them. This places Shanks and Rayleigh's CoC on par with each other by hype. Now, bear this mind as you remember that Shakky ball-parked that Rayleigh is 100 times stronger than the Supernova. At 100 times stronger than the Supernova, his blast of Conqueror's Haki failed to even make them flinch except for one member of Law's crew. What good is CoC gonna be in a one on one between Shanks and Akainu if Rayleigh, at 100x stronger than the Supernova, couldn't knock them with out with what we've seen in the manga thus far?

To conquer his will and make him doubt himself?

Look at my man Akainu, stopping Whitebeard's two arms.

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You mean? The same attack which the old man used to scatter the fodder marines? How many admirals did it took to block Newgate's attack when he aimed for the plaza??

Akainu was aiming for Coby with that punch. By that logic, Daz Bones is on Mihawk's level for blocking a slash he sent for Luffy with zero effort.

In Mihawk's case, it was quite evident that he was holding back. He actually proves it in the very next panel of the scene in which his attack gets blocked by Daz. Akainu, on the other hand, uses same attacks to severe limbs,dislocate faces and to make holes in chests. What was the difference b/w the attacks which he used on WB/Ace/Jimbe/Marco and Coby? It may not be one of his best; But he was definitely trying, he was furious and mad enough to murder a marine before his fellow men. The guy actually took the stance to throw a full-fledged punch.

Also, his underling threatened Kizaru, not Akainu, and that threat turned into bullshit when Kizaru leaped into the air and fired at Luffy anyways, and all Beckman did was stand there going "Oh no, he's still attacking oh darn"

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Why didn't he do that when he was being threatened??:yeah: He must he wait until when Ben ignores him and drops his gun?

No it's not. You can't say regardless of the reasons because the real reason has nothing to do with battle strength. It's the same reason SHANKS' CREW, not Shanks alone, led to the war ending: Politics.

Everything happened the way it did, because Shanks is simply that strong. He was strong enough for BB pirates to retreat, strong enough to make a disparate Akainu stop his assault , Strong enough to make Sengoku reconsider his decision about the war. By the way, weren't you one of those who's been using the point if BB running away from Akainu as a means to hype strength? BB might have had his own reasons(just like the world Gov) to retreat from Akainu, But the fact that he had the superior portrayal remains the same. It's the same with Shanks.

The balance of power needed to be maintained. The World Government finds the balance of the three powers as something that absolutely needs to be maintained. Win or lose, engaging Shanks wasn't something anyone there could just jump into without thought.

Just kills a Yonko, tries to make another Yonko like potential mad by killing his offspring and was desperate enough to fight all of WB top commanders just for the sake of killing one weak soul; Then all of a sudden, his sanity returns back to him upon looking at a godly figure who was blocking his path and then he starts thinking about the world peace and politics. In other words, the Yonko's presence alone was enough for Akainu to regain his senses.

Also, by this logic, Shanks is weaker than Kizaru and Aokiji because he just stood around ****ing with Buggy instead of making a move to stop them from trying to stop Luffy's escape.

He went there to stop the war, not to rescue Luffy. Lmao..

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah, he had done a great job at not gaining slightest advantage against an old man who couldn't even react to an attack from Squardo. Newgate's own vulnerability is what allowed Akainu to finally land a blow on him. Is that what you call that "being on par?"

1. Newgate was reacting just find to Aokiji and Akainu. His reflexes might have been in flux, but they weren't in flux while he was fighting them. Unless you think Squard is faster than Aokiji and Akainu, since WB was responding to their attacks.

2. No. I call striking WB while he's having a heart attack an advantage. I call the two of them deflecting each other's attacks without either of them making leeway being on par.

Starting the series with an admiral class fighter as the main protagonist rather than a fodder from East Blue would indeed allow him to end the series within a year. More than 50 years of experience along with plot is what enables Akainu to end the series within a year. How old do you think Luffy will be at the end of series? Most likely less than half as old as Akainu. Akainu's potential is nowhere near that of Luffy.

None of that matters. The fact is, Akainu, right now, is at the level that he can become Pirate King in a relatively short amount of time. That gives him the same hype as someone like Shanks who might be portrayed as Pirate King material because he had the Strawhat. That is what you said: Shanks is worthy of becoming Pirate King, which is represented by him having the hat. Akainu has been stated as having the same worth, so having the hat means jack shit.

Many things have changed since the TS, and the way how haki gets displayed is one of them.

It doesn't change that there is nothing quantifiable and citable about Haoshoku Haki as presented in the series that makes it a factor in the conversation of Shanks vs Akainu.

The worst part of your post is that you're comparing a COC clash with what Shanks did;
The dude just released his haki and the shock wave was so strong that it damaged a ship which had enough durability to survive the cruel Environment of the new world. When was the last time someone physically damaged an object just by releasing haki?

In Dressrosa? Luffy and Doflamingo just released Haoshoku and it caused the side of the plateau to be ripped apart. It's obvious that a clash will do far more damage, but that doesn't refute my point. You can't call Shanks the best user of Haoshoku Haki wwhen his only feat given wasn't even on the level of Luffy and Doflamingo clashing. Is he potentially the best? Sure. But the best we've seen? Laughing my ass off, no.

When was the last time someone was actually praised to have very impressive COC? Shanks is a Yonko, no one gives a shit about it if one of the strongest characters displays a level of haki what you call impressive in general. The expectations/standards would be pretty high for a Yonko. The mere fact that he was praised to have impressive haki despite his status means that he has impressive haki even for a candidate from the Yonko. By the way Oda already implied that his COC is at least twice as great as Luffy's or even more.

No one's Haoshoku has ever been stated to be impressive, just having Haoshoku is labelled as remarkable.

To conquer his will and make him doubt himself?

1. When has Haoshoku ever been shown to do this?

2. LMFAO you think this would work on Akainu? Rayleigh couldn't knock out someone 100x times weaker than him, but you think this will work on AKAINU? This thing you just completely made up?

You mean? The same attack which the old man used to scatter the fodder marines? How many admirals did it took to block Newgate's attack when he aimed for the plaza??

Have you thought of range? If one Admiral stood up to block the Haki, their one "wall" wouldn't be enough to protect the entire thing. Not to mention the fact that they chose to doesn't mean they had to.

In Mihawk's case, it was quite evident that he was holding back. He actually proves it in the very next panel of the scene in which his attack gets blocked by Daz. Akainu, on the other hand, uses same attacks to severe limbs,dislocate faces and to make holes in chests. What was the difference b/w the attacks which he used on WB/Ace/Jimbe/Marco and Coby? It may not be one of his best; But he was definitely trying, he was furious and mad enough to murder a marine before his fellow men. The guy actually took the stance to throw a full-fledged punch.

Right, cuz I'm sure Akainu is going to attack a random mediocre Marine with the same amount of effort as Whitebeard. Hell, Mihawk said out loud "Sorry Shanks, I won't be showing Strawhat mercy," and yet he held back when Daz Bones blocked that strike. People don't attack someone as weak as Coby with the same amount of effort as they do a Yonko. Get real. Just because Akainu attacks WB and Coby by punching at the both, it doesn't mean he's putting in the same amount of effort.

Why didn't he do that when he was being threatened??:yeah: He must he wait until when Ben ignores him and drops his gun?

This is just pathetic. Why didn't Beckman do something to stop him?

Everything happened the way it did, because Shanks is simply that strong. He was strong enough for BB pirates to retreat, strong enough to make a disparate Akainu stop his assault , Strong enough to make Sengoku reconsider his decision about the war. By the way, weren't you one of those who's been using the point if BB running away from Akainu as a means to hype strength? BB might have had his own reasons(just like the world Gov) to retreat from Akainu, But the fact that he had the superior portrayal remains the same. It's the same with Shanks.

1. Akainu stopped his assault because he can't attack Yonko recklessly. You can foolishly ignore it all you want, the fact will forever remain that the balance of power is something that is extremely important to the World Government and to the peace of the world. Whether the outcome is victory or loss, attacking Shanks at that moment wasn't a smart decision. They just lost a Yonko and had three seats vacant in the Shichibukai. If this is something that's regarded as so important that the Gorosei discuss it in great detail, what the hell makes you think it'd just be okay for them to try and take out another Yonko?

Just kills a Yonko, tries to make another Yonko like potential mad by killing his offspring and was desperate enough to fight all of WB top commanders just for the sake of killing one weak soul; Then all of a sudden, his sanity returns back to him upon looking at a godly figure who was blocking his path and then he starts thinking about the world peace and politics. In other words, the Yonko's presence alone was enough for Akainu to regain his senses.

They had permission to kill this Yonko. Extinguishing Roger's bloodline was a top priority of the World Government and the Marines to the point that they executed him at the headquarters of the Marines. When was the last time a country declared war and then invited the warring nation onto their soil for the battlefield? Think about it, executing Ace was so important, the Marines invited what they thought was the strongest man in the world into their home. It shouldn't have be drilled into your skull that the execution of Ace was something that required exceptions in normal Marine policies. It's even stated here that a confrontation with Whitebeard can't be avoided, so attacking Whitebeard to kill is something they had no choice in doing. They did, however, have a choice in fighting Shanks, hence why they didn't. If ANY Yonko rolled up there and said the same thing Shanks did, the war would have ended.

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He went there to stop the war, not to rescue Luffy. Lmao..

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Pathetic.

 

[Anduril]

Separate the facts from the falsehoods. Shanks was able to stop a single attack on an already weakened akainu who just got smashed by arguable the strongest pirate only second to roger. Akainu is the head of the military, he wont be defeated that easily by a one armed yonko.

Yeah a one armed man who was able to stop Kaidou (You should know how hard headed he is) from going after Whitebeard and then entered the War and challenged every person on marineford for a fight.
That magma brat was almost killed by a half dead WB and you say he is strong? he clutched at the rock to prevent his fall for the entire time that whitebeard gave that speech and fought Teach.
Yeah right Shanks would loose to that shit.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I mean Doffy proved Shanks superiority over Akainu :sdo: I am not sure why is this continuing

 

[HashiraMadara]

They had permission to kill this Yonko.

What is the meaning of the word Bounty :| and tell me is Shanks doesn't have one

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[Punk Hazard]

I mean Doffy proved Shanks superiority over Akainu :sdo: I am not sure why is this continuing

LMFAO What?

What is the meaning of the word Bounty :| and tell me is Shanks doesn't have one

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And you really think someone is gonna be able to cash in Shanks' bounty? lmfao

 

[HashiraMadara]

LMFAO What?

I am not sure do I have to preach this a billion times:

* Whitebeard: "We were surprised by a man of your abilities to come back from the weakest of seas with 1 arm" the very same guy who counts Blackbeard as "snot" and sees Akainu as a brat(He put him offline momentarily)

* Kaido's Portrayal: Hates negotiations, Suicidal, Wants to start a war against WG, loves a a life threating thrill, hobby is to try to kill himself....

You think Kaido would back down from a talk? If he saw Shanks with Rio Ponygliph he would not negotiate for it, he will kill Shanks for it or better "good luck killing me Shanks" :|

* Luffy One Day has to surpass Shanks, and you think Akainu is already there?


If we do A > B > C

You'll notice it took everything Akainu has plus 10 days to defeat Aokiji. Winning with mere devil fruit difference. Doffy looked comfortable vs a rouge Aokiji.

Shanks ~ Kadio who is sees himself as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Doflamingo

Secondly

Kaido >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doffy

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Shanks intercepted him :sdo: , manga states he is not the negotiating type(Wano, Jack etc. ), whitebeard still was the WSM, Shanks gave 0 f*cks, went there and draw his sword first... clashed with him, came back alive to tell stories about it and WB listened to him and went there to stop Ace(but it was too late)

And you really think someone is gonna be able to cash in Shanks' bounty? lmfao

You were saying they were only permitted to Kill WB, n*gga, any pirate with a bounty has a "wanted: Dead or Alive" quote going with them. That excuse aint helping there. The moment Shanks has a bounty on his head, a permit is given to kill him. Look at Rayleigh and Kizaru: "If you would remove the bounty on my head, I would live a subtle life" Kizaru: "A man of your status cannot simply be given free way out" not direct translation of course

 

[MadaraUchiha449]

Your saying that shanks can not beat akainu but yet you dont even know shanks devil fruit (if he has one) or his abilities.
Yes we all know what akainu is capable of but..... for shanks to fight and stop kaido and then to arrive at marine ford with his crew (wouldnt say whole crew because he likely has followers like every other yonko) and then suddenly appear infront of akainu without anyone even knowing he was there and to stop his fist which would have been at full power with one arm with his sword is some feat!
There is no denying that shanks's crew should have been hurt after facing kaido even a little bit but for sengoku to call off the war after seeing shanks and his crew ready to take them on when they still had more then half there army, all warlords, 3 admirals, garp and sengoku means that songoku knew that shanks was a serious threat and that akainu wouldnt be able to take him on right then and there.
They should have been able to take on shanks crew seeings that it was only a hand full of people.
That should say something about shanks's and his crews power and how feared he/they is/are even within the navy.
Akainu would have realised that he couldnt take shanks on by himself and thats why he didnt attack him straight away after he blocked his punch.
Shanks faced WB without fear and didnt care about making him mad. akainu couldnt win against wb without help from everyone else and even with wb being sick and injured from other attacks so how do you think akainu could beat shanks who was at full power (apart from his one arm).
even without knowing shanks's real power or abilities we know that akainu would put up a good fight but i personally think that shanks has the upper hand

 

[arv993]

I mean Doffy proved Shanks superiority over Akainu :sdo: I am not sure why is this continuing

I thought u used to believe yonko and admirals are absolute equals lol. But yea doffy is a great way to measure, he believes he can atleast challenge the admirals, he wasn't scared of aokiji and not sacred of fujitora and even threatened him, but comapred to guys like Kaido and shanks he seems weaker.