Why do people feel the need to bash religion?

[YowYan]

Most people who are atheist do the same. They don't even know the science behind their beliefs and instead just regurgitate one comment from Stephen Hawking or what some other scientist said because they are deemed "smart" and don't actually take the effort to read into quantum physics or anything else as to why Stephen Hawking believes in what he does.

Yet they act like they know the truth and are one sided as well without proper evidence.

No, atheists don't bother in general. Maybe on the internet, but in rl they don't care enough to bother talking about religion or trying to debunk any.

And they don't act like they know the truth. They simply tell religious people what they refuse to accept due to a youth of indoctrination. Which is that their beliefs make no sense altogether. So far, the only logical and legitimate interpretation of organised religion is that all those stories are based off of astrology. Whoever says otherwise, should dive into astrotheology before talking.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, atheists don't bother in general. Maybe on the internet, but in rl they don't care enough to bother talking about religion or trying to debunk any.

And they don't act like they know the truth. They simply tell religious people what they refuse to accept due to a youth of indoctrination. Which is that their beliefs make no sense altogether. So far, the only logical and legitimate interpretation of organised religion is that all those stories are based off of astrology. Whoever says otherwise, should dive into astrotheology before talking.

Plenty of atheists out their who act like they do know the truth. Neil DeGrasse's entire career is based off of going around and pretty much trashing religion.

I've had many instances where I was talking about something like videogames and there is always some atheist who brings up religion and why it's wrong....

Besides, specific religions teach them to spread their beliefs, but that's not to say everyone does it. It's only a minority of religious people who go around preaching. Most keep it to themselves.

At least the intention is good, not saying that I agree with it since most don't go about it in the right way. But when atheists try to cast their opinion, it always seems like an attack rather than the intention of bettering someone's life.

 

[Conspirator.]

Pretty good thread I think.

 

[YowYan]

Plenty of atheists out their who act like they do know the truth. Neil DeGrasse's entire career is based off of going around and pretty much trashing religion.

I've had many instances where I was talking about something like videogames and there is always some atheist who brings up religion and why it's wrong....

Besides, specific religions teach them to spread their beliefs, but that's not to say everyone does it. It's only a minority of religious people who go around preaching. Most keep it to themselves.

At least the intention is good, not saying that I agree with it since most don't go about it in the right way. But when atheists try to cast their opinion, it always seems like an attack rather than the intention of bettering someone's life.

Neil Degrasse is a corporate tool who promotes GMO's as safe and nutritious.

Other than that; I don't particularly disagree with you. Atheists can be verbally aggressive but then again, any category of people can. I have muslim and christian friends, used to hang out with jehovah's and jews, and I only ever shut them up when they acted too confident and that was only with one muslim dude. But I'm not an atheist to begin with. Just spiritual with a slightly different interpretation of what is god/the divine.

I guess we'll both have to agree that this is something to be judged by individually, don't you think?

 

[Lightbringer]

Neil Degrasse is a corporate tool who promotes GMO's as safe and nutritious.

Other than that; I don't particularly disagree with you. Atheists can be verbally aggressive but then again, any category of people can. I have muslim and christian friends, used to hang out with jehovah's and jews, and I only ever shut them up when they acted too confident and that was only with one muslim dude. But I'm not an atheist to begin with. Just spiritual with a slightly different interpretation of what is god/the divine.

I guess we'll both have to agree that this is something to be judged by individually, don't you think?

Yeah and I guess that's the point I'm trying to make. If someone is respecting your beliefs and not impacting you negatively then you should respect theirs rather than clumping everyone sharing that same faith together into the same category.

 

[YowYan]

Yeah and I guess that's the point I'm trying to make. If someone is respecting your beliefs and not impacting you negatively then you should respect theirs rather than clumping everyone sharing that same faith together into the same category.

Agreed. For me it's 'action reaction'.

Some people purposely try to mingle oil with fire. Heck, I do it too sometimes but only online and I'm always up for a progressive debate. Some just focus on disrespecting.

 

[Cornson]

I'm technically atheist and I have never full blown bashed any religion... but on more then one occasion I have tried to have a fun scientific conversation about earth, stars, the universe, ect, and at some point my Christian friend always gets angry... heck the first time I talked to him about that stuff he actually threatened to punch me in the face in I didn't shut up.. and then went on to teach me about a religion I already know just about everything about... this has happened to me multiple times ... not by the same guy or girl but you know... point is it seems like religious people bash others more often than atheist bash them.

You can't be, you are either a atheist, or your not a atheist (if your not a atheist, your a theist) you can't be techically one or the other, you are either one or the other. You either believe in some sort of God or you don't believe in one, it's that simply, there are no inbetweens place to stand your ground, just be honest about it, and as I said, you either believe in one or you don't, and what ever you beleive is fine, as long as you are honest about it

 

[shelke]

Let me throw this one little thing in: indoctrination is not limited to religion. It's an overarching principle. If one believes that Religion blinds them because of the historically long established sham presented by cloisters, mosques, temples, then rest assured, most people who abandoned religions embraced the ideology of national politics or culture or society with an equal religious zeal.

No atheist can claim before me that they live a life free from the tethers of indoctrination, as that's what all ideologies give birth to. To me, love for religious ideology is no different or absurd then love for political or any cultural ideology. All ideologies are the same at their core. They all require belief. Hence, my question to everyone is: you attack religion, yet you follow another indoctrination, pretending to be free and reasonable, when there is no logical reason behind any ideology as it's a human constructed phenomenon?

All ideologies have flaws. That's why, I have, philosophically never understood people. Ever. They present a paradox for inverting the same logic for themselves, and only give it a different face, a new spin, and a new facet to satisfy themselves. So, why attack another ideology? All people should practice live and let live. That's what I believe.

 

[Roy]

Maybe because religion likes to bash things that go against their beliefs, yeah that's probably why.

 

[naruto1246]

You can't be, you are either a atheist, or your not a atheist (if your not a atheist, your a theist) you can't be techically one or the other, you are either one or the other. You either believe in some sort of God or you don't believe in one, it's that simply, there are no inbetweens place to stand your ground, just be honest about it, and as I said, you either believe in one or you don't, and what ever you beleive is fine, as long as you are honest about it

I said technically because I was raised in a Christian house and follow all god made but I don't believe in god... so I am atheist I just live like a good Christian lol

 

[naruto1246]

Isn't that the same thing with any type of person? They tell you not to do something and yet they do it anyway. That's not exclusive to religious people.

People are flawed and will always break their own rules even if they don't mean it. That's no reason to disbelieve in something since religion is a personal thing and has a different meaning to each individual.

But as for God being forgiving. Imagine if you were God and you created everyone and gave them free will. They are in a sense, your children. Deep down, no matter how much children misbehave, the parent will still love them in the end.

We might think we're mature and old, but to God, we are still children. Our wisdom and age pales in comparison to his.

There is always a chance for redemption if those that seek it are truly committed. God only forgives those who are truly regretful.

see that's the problem... I hate... absolutely hate the idea of being forgiven for doing something I know is wrong... it annoys me to think people don't have to worry about consequences.... being forgiven is dumb, what's the point of there being a hell if everyone who asks forgiveness gets just that. forgiven. even if they knew and enjoyed doing the bad thing.... it annoys me to no end to think that... if I do something bad like breaking the rules and I knew what I was doing. I wouldn't want forgiveness, cause I basically spit in the face of who ever set the rules. I expect and would rather have the punishment then think that's its fine for me to constantly break them and never have to worry

 

[Lightbringer]

see that's the problem... I hate... absolutely hate the idea of being forgiven for doing something I know is wrong... it annoys me to think people don't have to worry about consequences.... being forgiven is dumb, what's the point of there being a hell if everyone who asks forgiveness gets just that. forgiven. even if they knew and enjoyed doing the bad thing.... it annoys me to no end to think that... if I do something bad like breaking the rules and I knew what I was doing. I wouldn't want forgiveness, cause I basically spit in the face of who ever set the rules. I expect and would rather have the punishment then think that's its fine for me to constantly break them and never have to worry

Well this is just my take on it since I'm not actually a Christian, so I can't say what their views on this is.

But in my perspective I would believe that they are still punished in their time in Hell until they truly want to repent and feel regret for what they've done. Until they understand themselves that what they did was wrong, they can't be forgiven.

Think of Hell as a prison. Isn't that the point of prisons in the first place? To make sure the criminals reform and understand what they did was wrong?

Besides, once they are forgiven in Hell, they can't really sin in Heaven from what I understand.

It's not like they just say "I'm sorry" and are instantly forgiven, they have really believe that they themselves are sorry for what they've done since you can't lie to God about it.

So that could take a while, in the meantime they are being punished in Hell until that time comes.

 

[NineSNS]

Unfortunately, it is human nature to look for differences and divide people into "us and them." Whether it's theology, politics, ethnicity, or GM vs Ford, it's all the same.

As Shelke said above, an attitude of "live and let live" recognizes the differences but doesn't coerce or belittle the ones who aren't the same as we are. It's the only intelligent option.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

Please read the entire post before commenting. I don't want this to turn into a senseless argument because you failed to read what I had to say and assumed that I said something else entirely.


I find it disgusting when people need to assert their beliefs onto others, both religious people and atheists included.

If you don't believe in something, then that's fine, there's no reason to go out and call other people's beliefs stupid or fake.

Every religion has its bad apples, but they don't speak for the entire group. So why do people assume that all religious people are invasive with their beliefs or are just less intelligent?

Religious people still know and believe in science, they just choose to have faith in something else as well.

I see threads about religion pop up on this forum almost every week and it is just sickening as to how people don't respect others views on the subject.

From observation, I found that many people become atheist because religious views were pushed onto them forcefully and it dismayed them from believing in it. So why do atheists complain about it, then proceed to do the same thing? It's ironic really.

No individual believes in something without being skeptical about it, but listening and asking the right questions will lead to a better understanding as to why they believe in it in the first place, without having to quarrel and bicker like a couple of tweens hitting puberty.

People have different reasons to believe in something; some might find peace or a purpose in their life, which makes them happy. To me, I view religion as bringing hope and hope is the most important aspect in human nature. Without hope, we simply crumble.

So when atheists specifically, bash religion and claim it is all just a hoax, I find it offensive and naive that someone finds pleasure in attempting to destroy another person's hope and peace in life.

What does it matter what others believe in? As long as they are happy and aren't affecting your lives or the lives of others negatively, then there is no reason to do that because we all live and exist in this world striving for happiness anyways; we just have different ways of achieving it.

From my understanding a lot of atheist that I've met complain about religion because 1.someone knows they don't believe in it and are trying to force it on them. 2. People around them continuously bring it up. 3. Because they can talk about it because they want to.
-Why did you have to specify atheist? I'm just curious. How can you claim that it's "naive" of them to say something isn't real? By that logic wouldn't people of certain beliefs also be "naive" because they claim others beliefs not real?
I'm pan-agnostic, meaning that I don't doubt the existence of gods but I don't claim them and it is possible that all(pan) gods are real or not.I really like to saying I'm nothing but when I'm talking to people on subjects like this I specify what I would be considered But I also don't see religion as a positive thing or at least one certain religion.I would go into details but I would go off into a tangent lol. But I typically talk on religion or rant about it if 1. someone doesn't stop bothering me about it after I asked them nicely to stop 2. if it is bashing something 3. if someone isn't giving credit to doctors and nurses and just giving it all to the god they worship ( I want to be a nurse so it bothers me when people forget to credit the nurse and doctors and what not)Now, I would not rant to a person about this in a work environment because that is unprofessional so I would ignore it. 4. if someone is personally attacking me. Also I get offended when atheist and religious people call me an atheist. Nothing against them it's just that they usually say it is an offensive way or some religious people call be a satanist.