Why do people compare Madara to Kaguya?

[Jinrou]

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SP is making Boruto Otsutsuki level with his innate potential tapped into. The reality was Boruto was out of his league even though he managed to fool the overpowered villain, but the underlying assumption from it can be made that with his better performance than the Kage's who were partnering together and still couldn't perform as better he's at least Kage level or above that, and this is a consequence of the writing that went into that episode. I personally don't think that but the existence of fans thinking in that manner goes to show we may think Boruto is Otsutsuki level threat, and my point with this in the beginning was to shed light on the injustice of the series with Boruto looming to Otsutsuki level threat with characters heigheted to be immensely strong being mistreated. It opens the wounds of what they did to Madara/Obito, characters that were actually powerful, in their own right.


A fly is still a fly, if you and I were tired out, would a fly pose any danger if we could swat it? Not saying Boruto is a fly equivalent, but the disparity in power between the two can be metamaphorically links to that point. We can compare to that to how Madara had depleting chakra in his half blind state, yet was able to knock away Tailed Beasts with ease and lodge a sword into a remotely fresh Sasuke when he was more tired from fighting, and the power difference between them is not close to the difference between a god and a Genin. No matter how strong Boruto may have been, the difference them was of a greater amount than Hinata and Pain, and Hinata wasn't even able to land one hit on Pain. Can we then assume then that in that instance, Boruto surpassed even Hinata and could take out Pain if he was equipped with a non-absorbable Big Ball Rasengan?


You're right on the Jougan front, we don't know yet what it can do, it may have better precognition than an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, pragmatically contemplating the situation. Base Boruto couldn't dodge Shinki without clones, though with Jougan he's able to dodge a close quarters assault from Momoshiki. 3T Sharingan precognition is out of the picture since VOTE 1 Sasuke couldn't possibly dodge it. The scene wasn't all too badass for me, probably because the choreography that went into Sasuke and Naruto was that much good, but it was badass nonetheless.

Considering Boruto could pose a problem to a fused Momoshiki, it's kind of logic to assume that a god would be able to. And we don't really know whether Kaguya would beat JJ Madara, she could out last him, but Madara was at least x2 stronger than Sasuke and Naruto individually and had just about enough chakra to keep things going to the point the two forced her to awaken her Bijuu state. And JJ Madara is kind of impossible when both have to be JJ and there can only be one JJ, or we're going into the fictional realm? As for her thrashing Boruto, you might want to rethink. Boruto with Jougan was able to push Momoshiki to his limits. Boruto with Jougan and Karma is on a whole other level. Any ninjutsu she can throw at him is absorbed via the seal, so Boruto is already a threat. Boruto Stream is also good distraction when the enemy is worn out, if she lets her guard down for a second, she gets hit by a Rasengan, and there's also the Vanishing Rasengan which she cannot dodge. With timing, and the seals, he has better chances than any shinobi besides the two that already did it. I shouldn't be conceiving these ideas, but thanks to the writing of the series, they may be sensible.

I'll respond to the other points later, I accidentally deleted them in the quoting process, and I'm kind of indolent to re-quote at the moment.

Irrelevant and quite frankly flawed comparisons leading to the bold as your conclusion has me wondering if you really believe what you're saying right now or trolling.

- No. SP isn't making current Boruto Otsustsuki level. That's just your interpretation which is incorrect as hell. Despite how fodder Konohamaru is, i doubt he even defeats him not to talk of those who are above. Like seriously man, Otsutsuki level?

- The second part is weird because according to you Boruto is already Otsutsuki level so what are you on about with Hinata? Its irrelevant though because this was about Kaguya and Madara in the first place. Discussing Boruto is already off topic and i don't care to extend this discussion.

- The third part is you accepting my Jougan point but you still go on to stylishly complain? VoTE1 Sasuke can't dodge according to you. Does VoTE1 Sasuke have a Jougan? No. Again, flawed comparison.

- Boruto posed a problem to Momoshiki? Are you kidding me? Base Boruto vs Momoshiki 1v1 and you think Momo would come out of that with nothing more than Ultra super neg diff not less fused Momo? C'mon bro. You then go on to suggest Boruto would not get thrashed by Kaguya? Lmfao.

"As for her thrashing Boruto, you might want to rethink."

Look, at that point i honestly stopped reading because everything after would definitely make zero sense. Madara won't even defeat Hagoromo who is inferior to Kaguya in the first place. Please, go reread your own first post in this thread man.

Kaguya won't thrash current Boruto lmao.. And i thought i had seen it all.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Irrelevant and quite frankly flawed comparisons leading to the bold as your conclusion has me wondering if you really believe what you're saying right now or trolling.

Where specifically is the irrelevant part?

- No. SP isn't making current Boruto Otsustsuki level. That's just your interpretation which is incorrect as hell. Despite how fodder Konohamaru is, i doubt he even defeats him not to talk of those who are above. Like seriously man, Otsutsuki level?

He isn't? If Sasuke and Kakashi were facing Zabuza and Sasuke was able to take down Zabuza with Kakashi's aid, and he does most of it, what level is he in?

- The second part is weird because according to you Boruto is already Otsutsuki level so what are you on about with Hinata? Its irrelevant though because this was about Kaguya and Madara in the first place. Discussing Boruto is already off topic and i don't care to extend this discussion.

Let's close that part then. It seems to be rubbing you the wrong way and boiling your emotions.

- The third part is you accepting my Jougan point but you still go on to stylishly complain? VoTE1 Sasuke can't dodge according to you. Does VoTE1 Sasuke have a Jougan? No. Again, flawed comparison.

There is barely a complaining undertone in my provided insight. And it was to augment my point, Sasuke would not be able to react to the Momoshiki, making Boruto's Jougan possess better precognition than 3 tomoe Sharingan and contending it for the Eternal Nangekyou Sharingan, since Taka Sasuke couldn't either.

- Boruto posed a problem to Momoshiki? Are you kidding me? Base Boruto vs Momoshiki 1v1 and you think Momo would come out of that with nothing more than Ultra super neg diff not less fused Momo? C'mon bro. You then go on to suggest Boruto would not get thrashed by Kaguya? Lmfao.

The look on his face would suggest that he felt threatened, would it not? Above that, as soon as he ascertained the problem he was dealing with, he couldn't help wanting to eliminate it as soon as possible, and that's essentially what a threat normally spurs. Upon seeing how strong Boruto became with Jougan and now possessing Karma, it's not out of the window. You got to consider Boruto's potential mark, and with his better performance than the Kage, he can pretty much be a better than any of them for a fight team up. Kaguya is no more intelligent than Momoshiki in the arts of fighting, so Boruto with wits & magic tricks is one of the biggest threats she could have to face.

Look, at that point i honestly stopped reading because everything after would definitely make zero sense. Madara won't even defeat Hagoromo who is inferior to Kaguya in the first place. Please, go reread your own first post in this thread man.

The A > B > C logic I'm afraid kind of doesn't always work, unless you make a good case for it. JJ Madada could actually be his kryptonite, like BZ was Madara's, as Sasuke and Naruto were Kaguya's with the help of Sakura, Kakashi and Obito. we don't even know how strong Hagoromo is. For all we know, he's another second coming of Hiruzen. He and his brother didn't defeat Kaguya easily, and Kaguya was equally strong, almost as much strong as she was when she fought Naruto and Sasuke, so there's a premise there already, that Sasuke and Naruto are in the non-JJ Hagoromo/Hamura ball park. JJ Madara would actually be stronger than Hagoromo without the JJ, but this isn't important an issue and not why we have got to this point.

Kaguya won't thrash current Boruto lmao.. And i thought i had seen it all.

If he's with Sasuke. With Sasuke he could
actually defeat her if they have the seals, and plot to boot. The same plot that carried Naruto and Sasuke to this point without dying. Which brings us to my primary point: Madara and other characters suffered even more with how strong Boruto TEMPORARILY was in the episode, in which he took down a god. He can be that strong again, and more with the Karma seal now, but he isn't necessarily that strong all the time. But we are not just going to ignore what he did & the significance of that in match ups. Taking that Boruto as a comparison to any character, it's easy making a case for him that he can take down almost any high tier character if we bear in mind that his precognition afforded him reactionary feats of Otsutsuki caliber. He just got to be pushed that far.

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

Your joking right? Raw power means f'all Madara can swap with limbo at anytime to dodge her attacks(Ash bone etc) and he can generate 4 at one time. His startegic intelligence shits on the combined intelligence of team 7. I made it clear an unnerfed Madara beats her bot one behaving like a kid and not using any of his Jutsu. Also I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was referring to JJ Madara who also has TSBs. She was getting outwitted by two kids and had to keep dimension swapping not to get sealed while having BZ to assist her. I wouldn't give her a win based purely upon raw power ad it didn't save her before.

Kakashi didn't teally need to even use double MS that fight. Kaguya is retarded and can't see through shadow clones or a transformation jutsu with her supreme dojutsu. I wouldn't overrate her against an unnerfed JJ Madara.

Nerf is a term reserved for someone who has shown higher capabilities, but was restricted from using them. Madara never showed any higher capability than what we’ve seen, you simply BELIEVE he SHOULD have been stronger.

TSB? I’m not seeing the relevance. He can’t touch Kaguya. If she changes dimensions he can’t do anything. He can’t counter ash bones, period, and Limbo is a non issue being that Kaguya can perceive and sense them. Team 7s strategic intelligence and battle experience far outstrips Madara’s, especially Obito’s. She was defending from simply being touched. Madara can’t seal her, beat her, or escape her. She’s a completely different beast. You keep saying “two kids” as if they weren’t just violating Madara before he cast IT.

“Two Kids” who were each top 5 in the NV

Kakashi’s DMS is the only reason they sealed Kaguya. It took the collective effort of Rinnegan Sasuke, RSM Naruto, DMS Kakashi, and Byakugou Sakura to TOUCH her with two hands. There’s absolutely no way Madara is competing with that.

 

[Jinrou]

Where specifically is the irrelevant part?

The flawed comparisons like the one below.

He isn't? If Sasuke and Kakashi were facing Zabuza and Sasuke was able to take down Zabuza with Kakashi's aid, and he does most of it, what level is he in?

Ridiculous logic. P1 exhausted from rasengan training base Naruto stalemated Kabuto who was said to be on the same level as p1 Kakashi (without aid). By the logic you're trying to apply, that would make Pre SRA base Naruto stronger than every single person that's below the level of p1 Kabuto and Kakashi. Ridiculous.

At this point its clear you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Let's close that part then. It seems to be rubbing you the wrong way and boiling your emotions.

Man.

No matter how strong Boruto may have been, the difference them was of a greater amount than Hinata and Pain, and Hinata wasn't even able to land one hit on Pain. Can we then assume then that in that instance, Boruto surpassed even Hinata and could take out Pain if he was equipped with a non-absorbable Big Ball Rasengan?

The answer to this particular part from the paragraph is an obvious no which i believe you know yourself in that current boruto stands no chance against Deva in which case it contradicts your stance here because according to you Boruto is Otsustsuki level. If i pointed it out, you were going to bring irrelevant examples which would be Tl;dr and i simply wasn't interested.

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There is barely a complaining undertone in my provided insight. And it was to augment my point, Sasuke would not be able to react to the Momoshiki, making Boruto's Jougan possess better precognition than 3 tomoe Sharingan and contending it for the Eternal Nangekyou Sharingan, since Taka Sasuke couldn't either.

The look on his face would suggest that he felt threatened, would it not? Above that, as soon as he ascertained the problem he was dealing with, he couldn't help wanting to eliminate it as soon as possible, and that's essentially what a threat normally spurs. Upon seeing how strong Boruto became with Jougan and now possessing Karma, it's not out of the window. You got to consider Boruto's potential mark, and with his better performance than the Kage, he can pretty much be a better than any of them for a fight team up. Kaguya is no more intelligent than Momoshiki in the arts of fighting, so Boruto with wits & magic tricks is one of the biggest threats she could have to face.


The A > B > C logic I'm afraid kind of doesn't always work, unless you make a good case for it. JJ Madada could actually be his kryptonite, like BZ was Madara's, as Sasuke and Naruto were Kaguya's with the help of Sakura, Kakashi and Obito. we don't even know how strong Hagoromo is. For all we know, he's another second coming of Hiruzen. He and his brother didn't defeat Kaguya easily, and Kaguya was equally strong, almost as much strong as she was when she fought Naruto and Sasuke, so there's a premise there already, that Sasuke and Naruto are in the non-JJ Hagoromo/Hamura ball park. JJ Madara would actually be stronger than Hagoromo without the JJ, but this isn't important an issue and not why we have got to this point.

If he's with Sasuke. With Sasuke he could
actually defeat her if they have the seals, and plot to boot. The same plot that carried Naruto and Sasuke to this point without dying. Which brings us to my primary point: Madara and other characters suffered even more with how strong Boruto TEMPORARILY was in the episode, in which he took down a god. He can be that strong again, and more with the Karma seal now, but he isn't necessarily that strong all the time. But we are not just going to ignore what he did & the significance of that in match ups. Taking that Boruto as a comparison to any character, it's easy making a case for him that he can take down almost any high tier character if we bear in mind that his precognition afforded him reactionary feats of Otsutsuki caliber. He just got to be pushed that far

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The remainder of your post is you grasping for everything you can to make it look like you have a point. You don't. Kaguya absolutely destroys Madara, destroys Boruto and destroys Sasuke and Boruto.

I'll recommend you read this:

Spoiler

Madara could probably brawl with her. But if Kaguya goes haywire and starts spamming omni-directional techniques, there's only a crack of hope for Madara,

Limbo clones are a limited sacrifice route for survival but the damage returns to the user, so he eventually meets his demise if Limbo is all the defense he's got. At least Naruto could use some high caliber ruse to avoid being taken out by Kaguya's ash killing bones and Sasuke had Ameno worth x4 dodges at best if he couldn't hide behind one of Naruto's shadow clones.

There's also the seal conundrum, against which Madara will find himself in automatic defeat without two of them to seal Kaguya. So even if there is a window of opportunity to defeat her, seal absence makes fighting Kaguya futile.

Boruto would pose a problem to Kaguya :lol This guy. :lol

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

The flawed comparisons like the one below.

I'll follow through.

Ridiculous logic. P1 exhausted from rasengan training base Naruto stalemated Kabuto who was said to be on the same level as p1 Kakashi (without aid). By the logic you're trying to apply, that would make Pre SRA base Naruto stronger than every single person that's below the level of p1 Kabuto and Kakashi. Ridiculous.

Never said that, you are, you can't make up a scenario and make assumptions of my opinion on it based on what I said based on similarity of the situations. If you're asking for my opinion on that, Naruto would be strong enough to brawl with Kabuto and therefore is at that level at the very least strong wise. Skill and strength aren't necessarily the same. At this point Itachi may still be more skilled than Sasuke in genjutsu arts, but that doesn't mean Sasuke couldn't beat Itachi generally or in a genjutsu fight. Similarly with Naruto and Kabuto, Kabuto was at that time more skilled, but Naruto had more fire power, and thus, could brawl with him. And one could make an argument for Naruto being stronger than Kabuto at that point (when push comes to shove). We can't simply turn away from manga implication just because it seems absurd someone as skilled as Kabuto could lose to a reincarnate possessing Kurama's powers. Kurama being in the equation alone kind of leveled the playing field, let alone being a reincarnation of one of the strongest beings to ever exist. By that logic, my point could very well be placed under that notion, if you see it fit. But you didn't answer my question, and are diverging. Without an answer to my question, I assume we have reached an agreement on the front.

At this point its clear you're just arguing for the sake of it.

This is irrelevant though. I don't see why you're still arguing if you feel like I'm arguing aimlessly. An aimless shot shouldn't be bothering you, if it missed the mark.

Man.

That's the first divine creation after earth God created, biblically speaking.

The answer to this particular part from the paragraph is an obvious no which i believe you know yourself in that current boruto stands no chance against Deva in which case it contradicts your stance here because according to you Boruto is Otsustsuki level. If i pointed it out, you were going to bring irrelevant examples which would be Tl;dr and i simply wasn't interested.

You kind of misread and are going on an erroneous assumption. I must remind you that I said he's Otsutsuki level THREAT first and foremost, and secondly, it is not really the case BUT could be argued so purely based of his performance against Momoshiki. Before that, I believe he would be, as you might think, Chuunin level. The recent events write that off, though.

The remainder of your post is you grasping for everything you can to make it look like you have a point. You don't. Kaguya absolutely destroys Madara, destroys Boruto and destroys Sasuke and Boruto.

I tried construing, but you don't make sense here.

Boruto would pose a problem to Kaguya :lol This guy. :lol

How would he not? Kaguya most probably cannot perceive his Vanishing Rasengan which even a golden Byakugan aided by the Rinnegan could not perceive. With uninterrupted setup, Boruto Stream can prove to be problematic, as it was against Momoshiki who is much more skilled at fighting than Kaguya, and Kaguya is no better in close combat than Momoshiki. You acknowledge everything else with how strong these beings are but overlook where Boruto stands as a threat to them, even though his feats are & should still be fresh on the mind. I might have watched a different episode, but I'm pretty sure Boruto's capabilities have amassed to that height with his added feats.

 

[Jinrou]

Never said that, you are, you can't make up a scenario and make assumptions of my opinion on it based on what I said based on similarity of the situations. If you're asking for my opinion on that, Naruto would be strong enough to brawl with Kabuto and therefore is at that level at the very least strong wise. Skill and strength aren't necessarily the same.

First says i made up a scenario then goes ahead to validate said scenario merely seconds later. This is you again ignoring context to validate your fanfic ideas.

Sorry but p1 base Naruto cannot contend with Kabuto and Kakashi in 1v1's. The bold literally has you putting p1 base Naruto at their level.. lmao. C'mon Man. Rest is irrelevant stuff as usual.

You kind of misread and are going on an erroneous assumption. I must remind you that I said he's Otsutsuki level THREAT first and foremost, and secondly, it is not really the case BUT could be argued so purely based of his performance against Momoshiki. Before that, I believe he would be, as you might think, Chuunin level. The recent events write that off, though.

Summary: Current Boruto can/has a chance to defeat Deva according to you. Is this correct?

How would he not? Kaguya most probably cannot perceive his Vanishing Rasengan which even a golden Byakugan aided by the Rinnegan could not perceive. With uninterrupted setup, Boruto Stream can prove to be problematic, as it was against Momoshiki who is much more skilled at fighting than Kaguya, and Kaguya is no better in close combat than Momoshiki. You acknowledge everything else with how strong these beings are but overlook where Boruto stands as a threat to them, even though his feats are & should still be fresh on the mind. I might have watched a different episode, but I'm pretty sure Boruto's capabilities have amassed to that height with his added feats.

One would almost think Boruto stream was what made him win against Momo with your posts but unfortunately, that wasn't the case. The clones that used the stream were negged and Momo commented on his impudence suggesting he was offended he thought such speed would give him any sort of advantage.

Anyway like i said previously, Kaguya absolutely destroys Madara, destroys Boruto and destroys Sasuke and Boruto.

I'll recommend you read this:

Spoiler

Madara could probably brawl with her. But if Kaguya goes haywire and starts spamming omni-directional techniques, there's only a crack of hope for Madara,

Limbo clones are a limited sacrifice route for survival but the damage returns to the user, so he eventually meets his demise if Limbo is all the defense he's got. At least Naruto could use some high caliber ruse to avoid being taken out by Kaguya's ash killing bones and Sasuke had Ameno worth x4 dodges at best if he couldn't hide behind one of Naruto's shadow clones.

There's also the seal conundrum, against which Madara will find himself in automatic defeat without two of them to seal Kaguya. So even if there is a window of opportunity to defeat her, seal absence makes fighting Kaguya futile.

Boruto would pose a problem to Kaguya :lol This guy. :lol

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

First says i made up a scenario then goes ahead to validate said scenario merely seconds later. This is you again ignoring context to validate your fanfic ideas.

The demeaning doesn't help though, if that's your way of discussing this. You're making it a contest of whose points are better rather than putting on your thinking hat and discuss like the mature adult you present yourself to be. There wasn't any sought-after validation anyways, merely supplementing my point and showing its malleable application to varying analogous situations was all I was doing. But go on, with the contemptuous attitude. :tea:

Sorry but p1 base Naruto cannot contend with Kabuto and Kakashi in 1v1's. The bold literally has you putting p1 base Naruto at their level.. lmao. C'mon Man. Rest is irrelevant stuff as usual.

Apology accepted, and I'll again have to mark the A B C logic as irrelevant and just wrong analysis for reasons common to us. Kakashi is not Kabuto, and Kabuto is not Kakashi. The manga has Naruto beating Kabuto to a pulp, I would try paint the picture clearer, but you have been abritrarily ignoring facts and stalling for a while now, that I believe we might be reaching an impasse at this point. Pt.1 Naruto depicted with courage and being cornered, he could take down even elites like Kabuto, wasn't that the whole point of Boruto coming along with Sasuke? Sasuke himself believed Boruto's potential to be much more than he, himself believed, and bringing him along was for him to find it and finally show its true nature. Its true nature apparently is immeasurable. Can you say for certain where is now? Kakashi stated that he had Chuunin skills, but after what he's shown, can you still say he's Chuunin? Would he not defeat Jonin's easily if he could manage so much against a god? Can you still say that version of Boruto could be defeated by Shinki? See where I'm going with this?

Summary: Current Boruto can/has a chance to defeat Deva according to you. Is this correct?

Pain is tiers below Momoshiki, is that not correct? You haven't answered a single question of mine, the same should be reiterated to you, I could keep this going as well.

One would almost think Boruto stream was what made him win against Momo with your posts but unfortunately, that wasn't the case. The clones that used the stream were negged and Momo commented on his impudence suggesting he was offended he thought such speed would give him any sort of advantage.

Boruto knew he stood no chance face on and without a ruse. The fact though is he won in that particular confrontation, how it was done is irrelevant when one achieved his primary goal. You can't say Shikamaru wouldn't beat Hidan if most times, he was neutralized physically, when in the end, it was Hidan in the pit and not Shikamaru. You are repeating the same logic as the fans who say that Sakura is weak because she spams her regeneration ability, as though the process speaks more volume than the result, especially INTENDED result.

I would recommend this:

As time goes on your opinions change, it's natural phenomena, and it isn't like Madara cannot win against her if PLOT just requires it. DMS Kakashi was an impossibility before plot reached out to him and dispensed him with powers from the beyond.

Boruto would pose a problem to Kaguya :lol This guy. :lol

Going on the new paradigm of Boruto. Naruto the original series would not make these plunders, I believe, but the new age Naruto series may compromise even Kaguya,if Boruto needs to defeat her for a seal or have more cheerleaders riding on his coattail. He is representing Sasuke in his youth days. On my original point, I emphasized it enough, if you chose to withhold from voicing yourself more clearly rather than beating around the bush and trying to debug my points, which really were just vehicle for the said original point, be my guest. Though within what I said, that point on Boruto being a threat to Kaguya was already confirmed when an Otsutsuki said he was a threat and Toneri involving himself to protect Boruto, furthering the point that to any Otsutsuki, Kaguya included, he would be a problem, as the Jougan's extent of powers are unknown at this point. Let's not act like he did not defeat a god in an equal clash of proportionally equal powers and overpowered it with his own strength.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I missed the people who can debate this matter properly and silent the shit talkers here. People like KCM Naruto, KidGamers, Sennin of Logic, Rohan, Blazing Storm, Gerkak, Transcendence or AZ

Too many misinformations here and there in this thread.

 

[Jinrou]

The demeaning doesn't help though, if that's your way of discussing this. You're making it a contest of whose points are better rather than putting on your thinking hat and discuss like the mature adult you present yourself to be. There wasn't any sought-after validation anyways, merely supplementing my point and showing its malleable application to varying analogous situations was all I was doing. But go on, with the contemptuous attitude.

Please take your tears somewhere else because me continuing this is my way of showing respect to you as i refuse to believe anyone can be truly dense enough to suggest things like Boruto can defeat Deva or has a chance at defeating Kaguya. There is absolutely no demeaning from me here bro.

Like i implied before, all your points have you clearly ignoring context to validate your fanfic ideas. Simple.

Apology accepted, and I'll again have to mark the A B C logic as irrelevant and just wrong analysis for reasons common to us. Kakashi is not Kabuto, and Kabuto is not Kakashi. The manga has Naruto beating Kabuto to a pulp, I would try paint the picture clearer, but you have been abritrarily ignoring facts and stalling for a while now, that I believe we might be reaching an impasse at this point. Pt.1 Naruto depicted with courage and being cornered, he could take down even elites like Kabuto, wasn't that the whole point of Boruto coming along with Sasuke? Sasuke himself believed Boruto's potential to be much more than he, himself believed, and bringing him along was for him to find it and finally show its true nature. Its true nature apparently is immeasurable. Can you say for certain where is now? Kakashi stated that he had Chuunin skills, but after what he's shown, can you still say he's Chuunin? Would he not defeat Jonin's easily if he could manage so much against a god? Can you still say that version of Boruto could be defeated by Shinki? See where I'm going with this?

Typing words upon words unfortunately cannot hide the terrible logic you are continually using. I mean what the heck is that bold and how do they correlate?

Also try to read, understand and listen to your own self. I am not the one using ABC logic.. That would be you.

Piscine of NarutoBase: Boruto defeated Momo so he can defeat Deva Path and has a chance against Kaguya because Otsutsuki level threat or something.

Me bringing up the Kabuto-Kakashi comparison was to make you realize how that logic doesn't make sense. The author's narrative had Kabuto in the same bracket as Kakashi so by your logic since BASE Naruto won against Kabuto he would pull a win against Kakashi which makes no sense because if we even take context in consideration, base Naruto cannot win against Kabuto.

Its like you're just reading without understanding bro.

Pain is tiers below Momoshiki, is that not correct? You haven't answered a single question of mine, the same should be reiterated to you, I could keep this going as well.

This guy. :lol Not going to lie.. This is hilarious XD Bold is a perfect example of your ABC logic btw.

Boruto knew he stood no chance face on and without a ruse. The fact though is he won in that particular confrontation, how it was done is irrelevant when one achieved his primary goal. You can't say Shikamaru wouldn't beat Hidan if most times, he was neutralized physically, when in the end, it was Hidan in the pit and not Shikamaru. You are repeating the same logic as the fans who say that Sakura is weak because she spams her regeneration ability, as though the process speaks more volume than the result, especially INTENDED result.

You have not once stood by a point you've made you do realize this right? I intentionally allowed the boruto stream argument you've been making since the start continue and when i decided to discredit it with proof you come at me with that underlined? Are you serious? You are just going to ignore the fact Boruto's win was as a result of Naruto's chakra so you can convince yourself that you are making sense here? :lol

Bold has me weak.. From Boruto & Momo to Hinata & Pain to Sasuke-Kakashi & Zabuza to Sasuke & Itachi and now Shikamaru & Hidan with some weird mulling about Sakura. All irrelevant to the power gap that clearly exists between Kaguya and Madara. You're welcome to keep grasping for straws with more irrelevant and flawed comparisons though :lol

As time goes on your opinions change, it's natural phenomena, and it isn't like Madara cannot win against her if PLOT just requires it. DMS Kakashi was an impossibility before plot reached out to him and dispensed him with powers from the beyond.

Oh.. my bad man. I must have missed the part in the OP where the question states "If plot requires it" can you point it out to me please?

lol.. I can also use said argument to say character x wins against Kaguya as well. Please step up your attempts man :lol

Going on the new paradigm of Boruto. Naruto the original series would not make these plunders, I believe, but the new age Naruto series may compromise even Kaguya,if Boruto needs to defeat her for a seal or have more cheerleaders riding on his coattail. He is representing Sasuke in his youth days. On my original point, I emphasized it enough, if you chose to withhold from voicing yourself more clearly rather than beating around the bush and trying to debug my points, which really were just vehicle for the said original point, be my guest. Though within what I said, that point on Boruto being a threat to Kaguya was already confirmed when an Otsutsuki said he was a threat and Toneri involving himself to protect Boruto, furthering the point that to any Otsutsuki, Kaguya included, he would be a problem, as the Jougan's extent of powers are unknown at this point. Let's not act like he did not defeat a god in an equal clash of proportionally equal powers and overpowered it with his own strength.

More incoherent rambling but that bold though. Your take from the last part of the scene was Boruto overpowering Momo with strength not that the Rasengan from Naruto's chakra was superior? lmao. Anyway like i've been saying, Kaguya absolutely destroys Madara, destroys Boruto and destroys Sasuke and Boruto.

Boruto would pose a problem to Kaguya and would defeat Deva path. This guy :lol

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Please take your tears somewhere else because me continuing this is my way of showing respect to you as i refuse to believe anyone can be truly dense enough to suggest things like Boruto can defeat Deva or has a chance at defeating Kaguya. There is absolutely no demeaning from me here bro.

Your logic is equally laughable, I daresay, if not worse, but I won't abuse emoticons just to make it seem as though I'm on a victory ride when I'm actually sinking. Your refusal to change your perpsective towards the IMPLICATIONS of a very short episode, which I thought anyone would grasp, considering how short -30 minutes is to make sense of a non-complex depiction through drawings, is laughable. Seriously though, can you stop with the emoticons, I know it's social protocol for when you don't like the person you're discussing (and I understand your fondness of doing it, it's ego friendly, I know), but you could do better than that. Maybe just be straight and tell me you don't like that I'm not giving up my perspective, I think that would be more mature and socially concordant.

Like i implied before, all your points have you clearly ignoring context to validate your fanfic ideas. Simple.

You have been hiding behind context, while forgetting what actually happened, that Boruto basically did more than Sakura did against Kaguya, even with the very HUGE disparity in power, but why am I even trying at this point. Nothing you've said though has fractured the points I've built this up on:

1. Boruto took down Momoshiki with little to no aid from Sasuke, and was able to BRAWL with him, in as much time and LESS it would have taken the other Kage's, thus making him more of that level of caliber or more.
2. He fought with Momoshiki in close combat and manoeuvred (and even you agree here) his physical attack, and managed to injure hhim, something Kurotsuchi could not replicate in any situation.
3. He also overpowered him with a non-sage Rasengan that's proportional to Momoshiki's own psuedo Rasengan, when strength was the determinant factor of who was going to win, raising the point he must be kage strong to do that (or it makes no sense Momoshiki said it was Boruto who defeated him instead of attributing it to the Rasengan, which he didn't)

Worth noting that you've said nothing to rebutt the empirical facts I've provided.

Typing words upon words unfortunately cannot hide the terrible logic you are continually using. I mean what the heck is that bold and how do they correlate?

Seriously, are you acting stupid now or being intellectually dishonest? I want to argue for the latter, but now I might be convinced you are suffering from the former. Come on, pal. You said that Naruto couldn't defeat Kabuto, and not only was I courteous enough to dilate on how that was wrong, but I gave explanation to how it was correct to think Naruto was actually stronger, and why Boruto's potential cannot be capped currently, and could be beyond this context you bind him to. We're talking about the same Boruto who's been more useful than Konohamaru a presumably Kage level character since the manga started. I really don't know why you're denying at this point, with all the common facts.

Also try to read, understand and listen to your own self. I am not the one using ABC logic.. That would be you.

This is slowy entering delusion level, honestly. I thought it was going to be nicer, with your experience.

Piscine of NarutoBase: Boruto defeated Momo so he can defeat Deva Path and has a chance against Kaguya because Otsutsuki level threat or something.[/quote]He's got the Jougan and Karma seal, and an Otsutsuki powerful enough to threaten Kaguya was defeated by him. Really, Jinrou? Are you going to hide behind context to ignore facts forever?

Me bringing up the Kabuto-Kakashi comparison was to make you realize how that logic doesn't make sense. The author's narrative had Kabuto in the same bracket as Kakashi so by your logic since BASE Naruto won against Kabuto he would pull a win against Kakashi which makes no sense because if we even take context in consideration, base Naruto cannot win against Kabuto.

As thougb you didn't brand my examples as irrelevant or not correlating when you draw your own to validate your points. How convienient. I'm not hearing your examples, either. And that comparison shouldn't apply to Boruto, you make it seem as though Kakashi and Kabuto are characteristically the same or that Kakashi would even underestimate Naruto or that they're both the same amount of cocky. You ignore that Kabuto was defeated by Naruto BECAUSE HE'S KAKASHI LEVEL. Naruto ''the series'' was never that way or there would be no fun watching it. Naruto would have gone down in that fight, and in your logic, he cannot be a threat to Kakashi level characters because he didn't have the skill, even though HIS FIRST FIGHT he would have lost in no more than seconds had PLOT not made him immune to losing and didn't want him to be a threat to characters of that level. (hint: Haku).

Its like you're just reading without understanding bro.

You're not worth it anymore. My discussion with you has been nothing but bitter. No sense of humor from you or any fun, you're worse than a dark hole. :tea:

This guy. :lol Not going to lie.. This is hilarious XD Bold is a perfect example of your ABC logic btw.

I don't think you genuinely find it hilarious, you're not even liking my post, so I'm guessing it is just 'ridicule' in your own quirky way.

you have not once stood by a point you've made you do realize this right? I intentionally allowed the boruto stream argument you've been making since the start continue and when i decided to discredit it with proof you come at me with that underlined? Are you serious? You are just going to ignore the fact Boruto's win was as a result of Naruto's chakra so you can convince yourself that you are making sense here? :lol

Clearly, not one or two or even three examples make things clearer for you, I'm afraid. Toddlers have done better at grasping information through correlating examples, honestly (no offense, you're a great guy). Am I ignoring? Did I not say that he got a bit of help, mentioning Sasuke a few times? ANd why are you ignoring that Momoshiki gave Boruto the seal and credited him as his defeater? Stop making me laugh, so the writers are so dead wrong for giving Boruto the seal, is that it? You can take it up with them if you like and mail in some letters, but the story has us believing that Boruto got his win fair and square, and fought on equal ground from Sasuke delegating the rest of the fight to Boruto, to Momoshiki clearly admitting defeat to Boruto and not Sasuke/Naruto, or explain why it is Boruto with the seal and not Sasuke and Naruto. P.S I am just keeping it rolling at this point, I already lost interest when you wouldn't engage in a discussion, you've been straddling to your arrogance since the beginning and it's not sexy (not that I really expected it to be).

Bold has me weak.. From Boruto & Momo to Hinata & Pain to Sasuke-Kakashi & Zabuza to Sasuke & Itachi and now Shikamaru & Hidan with some weird mulling about Sakura. All irrelevant to the power gap that clearly exists between Kaguya and Madara. You're welcome to keep grasping for straws with more irrelevant and flawed comparisons though :lol

Good examples I made, and the logic flew completely over your head, to my chagrin.

Oh.. my bad man. I must have missed the part in the OP where the question states "If plot requires it" can you point it out to me please?

Plot is what it comes down to, and the point you've funnily missed is, Boruto is as strong as PLOT wants him to be, and in the episode, he was Otsutsuki level strong, agree or not, and everyone else logical would agree. I did caution you on that basis, but you choose to ignore that continuously. I'm done reaching out to you, though, this ship has sailed.

lol.. I can also use said argument to say character x wins against Kaguya as well. Please step up your attempts man :lol

But you cannot, you're not a free mind, and you definitely understand nothing about plot and what it means to be a main character. Clearly, you watched Naruto lying on the wrong side in your bed. You seriously think main characters would not be a threat to any character they were faced against, as though any character Naruto fought never thought he was looming danger.

More incoherent rambling but that bold though. Your take from the last part of the scene was Boruto overpowering Momo with strength not that the Rasengan from Naruto's chakra was superior? lmao. Anyway like i've been saying, Kaguya absolutely destroys Madara, destroys Boruto and destroys Sasuke and Boruto.

How could Naruto's chakra be superior? It was plain chakra while Momoshiki was doping on chakra induced witht the chakra fruit and should have had Sage art imbued into his chakra. Did you also not see them struggling against each other and Boruto sacrifice his arm? He may have got an injured arm in the end, but like I've been preaching, the process doesn't matter with the results considered. Momoshiki played it safe, Boruto didn't and so the former got overpowered. There's many instances in which Naruto gambled his life and won, and in the end, he was stronger, not because he had more ninjutsu or better quality of ninjutsu, his will and strength as a shinobi was just stronger. Jiraiya cannot explain it better. Even Sasuke now understands the true strength of a shinobi. Boruto didn't defeat Momoshiki with trangible power alone, or he would have been overpowered outright considering how strong Momoshiki was, even if Boruto had a better Rasengan. The tool became ineffectual when it was down to who had a better will or philosophically strong enough. That's why in the clash, they were about equal, until Boruto harnessed more inner strength realizing what was at stake and what he was fighting for. It's like that time when Sasuke and Naruto were up against the Sword of Nunobuko which had never been broken before and was said to be impervious to shattering, and even though, Sasuke and Naruto were able to break through it and overpower Obito. Their will and philosophy was stronger, and so they were an invincible force.

Boruto would pose a problem to Kaguya and would defeat Deva path. This guy :lol

Well, Boruto is the son of Naruto and a student of Sasuke's, that alone makes him potentially a bigger pain in the ass than Konohamaru was in his teen days, and worse with all the Otsutsuki blood coursing through his veins. Who knows what he could awaken with Jougan and Karma seal at the palm of hands, and the Karma sealm, literallly in his palm. Plus Boruto is much more talented than his father was, who could do all sorts of ridiculous things that even Sasuke, a talent incarnate couldn't pull off. Boruto has even more excuses than his father. He's got the power-ups, the power of friendship and plot shield. Naruto may have had plot shield, but he was at a limit with none of Sasuke's talent. Also, wouldn't we have called it ridiculous and shouted ''BS"' if Kishimoto released a statement that Boruto would have taken down Momoshiki prior the movie coming out with no context supporting it? I bet so, but look at how believable and stomachable it is now. Almost the whole fandom swallowed it.

 

[Jinrou]

Your logic is equally laughable, I daresay, if not worse, but I won't abuse emoticons just to make it seem as though I'm on a victory ride when I'm actually sinking. Your refusal to change your perpsective towards the IMPLICATIONS of a very short episode, which I thought anyone would grasp, considering how short -30 minutes is to make sense of a non-complex depiction through drawings, is laughable. Seriously though, can you stop with the emoticons, I know it's social protocol for when you don't like the person you're discussing (and I understand your fondness of doing it, it's ego friendly, I know), but you could do better than that. Maybe just be straight and tell me you don't like that I'm not giving up my perspective, I think that would be more mature and socially concordant.

Bold is literally you whining bro what the hell? Like i said before, take your tears somewhere else.

You have been hiding behind context, while forgetting what actually happened, that Boruto basically did more than Sakura did against Kaguya, even with the very HUGE disparity in power, but why am I even trying at this point. Nothing you've said though has fractured the points I've built this up on:

Can you hear yourself? How am i hiding behind context when its part of the very foundation of series/writing and so on. Ignoring context can lead to ridiculous notions such as Boruto can pose a problem to Kaguya, can defeat Deva or p1 Naruto can defeat Kakashi which is exactly what you have been doing. Try to think man.

1. Boruto took down Momoshiki with little to no aid from Sasuke, and was able to BRAWL with him, in as much time and LESS it would have taken the other Kage's, thus making him more of that level of caliber or more.
2. He fought with Momoshiki in and close combat and manuevred (and even you agree here) his physical attack, and managed to injure hhim, something Kurotsuchi could not replicate in any situation.
3. He also overpowered him with a non-sage Rasengan that proportional to Momoshii's own psuedo Rasengan, when strength was the determinant factor of who was going to win, raising the point he must be kage strong to do that.

All this is your headcanon because Boruto didn't brawl with Momo in Cqc.. Did he maneuver around an attack? Yes.. What happened next? He got negged. The rasengan left basically did nothing to Momo.. And no. Strength isn't what determined the winner of the rasengan whatever. Rasengan's are not swords bro. :lol

Seriously, are you acting stupid now or being intellectually dishonest? I want to argue for the latter, but now I might be convinced you are suffering from the former. Come on, pal. You said that Naruto couldn't defeat Kabuto, and not only was I courteous enough to dilate on how that was wrong, but I gave explanation to how it was correct to think Naruto was actually stronger, and why Boruto's potential cannot be capped currently, and could be beyond this context you bind him to. We're talking about the same Boruto who's been more useful than Konohamaru a presumably Kage level character since the manga started. I really don't know why you're denying at this point, with all the common facts.

This guy. I repeat, words upon numerous words unfortunately cannot hide the ridiculous logic you have continually been using. Are you being for real here man? That bold is you telling me P1 Base Naruto can defeat Kabuto? Just so you can convince yourself that you are making sense you keep spouting ridiculous notions lmao. Bruh.. not going to lie. I'm really laughing here.. this is entertaining XD

This is slowy entering delusion level, honestly. I thought it was going to be nicer, with your experience.

Piscine of NarutoBase: Boruto defeated Momo so he can defeat Deva Path and has a chance against Kaguya because Otsutsuki level threat or something.He's got the Jougan and Karma seal, and an Otsutsuki powerful enough to threaten Kaguya was defeated by him. Really, Jinrou? Are you going to hide behind context to ignore facts forever?

As thougb you didn't brand my examples as irrelevant or not correlating when you draw your own to validate your points. How convienient. I'm not hearing your examples, either. And that comparison shouldn't apply to Boruto, you make it seem as though Kakashi and Kabuto are characteristically the same or that Kakashi would even underestimate Naruto or that they're both the same amount of cocky. You ignore that Kabuto was defeated by Naruto BECAUSE HE'S KAKASHI LEVEL. Naruto ''the series'' was never that way or there would be no fun watching it. Naruto would have gone down in that fight, and in your logic, he cannot be a threat to Kakashi level characters because he didn't have the skill, even though HIS FIRST FIGHT he would have lost in no more than seconds had PLOT not made him immune to losing and didn't want him to be a threat to characters of that level. (hint: Haku).

Tried man.. Don't know what you did here. Can't read this.

You're not worth it anymore. My discussion with you has been nothing but bitter. No sense of humor from you or any fun, you're worse than a dark hole. :tea:

What is this? Man up and take your tears elsewhere. :lol

I don't think you genuinely find it hilarious, you're not even liking my post, so I'm guessing it is just 'ridicule' in your own quirky way.

If i like a post, i agree with it. I don't agree with yours and lol.. You want to cry because i didn't like your post? XD

Clearly, not one or two or even three examples make things clearer for you, I'm afraid. Toddlers have done better at grasping information through correlating examples, honestly (no offense, you're a great guy). Am I ignoring? Did I not say that he got a bit of help, mentioning Sasuke a few times? ANd why are you ignoring that Momoshiki gave Boruto the seal and credited him as his defeater? Stop making me laugh, so the writers are so dead wrong for giving Boruto the seal, is that it? You can take it up with them if you like and mail in some letters, but the story has us believing that Boruto got his win fair and square, and fought on equal ground from Sasuke delegating the rest of the fight to Boruto, to Momoshiki clearly admitting defeat to Boruto and not Sasuke/Naruto, or explain why it is Boruto with the seal and not Sasuke and Naruto. P.S I am just keeping it rolling at this point, I already lost interest when you wouldn't engage in a discussion, you've been straddling to your arrogance since the beginning and it's not sexy (not that I really expected it to be).

What are you on about here? No shit Momoshiki gave him the seal. The bane of all this is the fact you're trying to push a Boruto without mastery over said Jougan and without Karma seal could have taken on Momo and won on his own over an additional scene that shows Boruto's clones get negged before he uses Naruto's chakra to win.

Good examples I made, and the logic flew completely over your head, to my chagrin.

Yeah sure.. I think i also saw you bring up more irrelevant comparisons with Konohamaru and Haku somewhere up there. Keep reaching with some more examples bro.. I'll still be here to read em.

Plot is what it comes down to, and the point you've funnily missed is, Boruto is as strong as PLOT wants him to be, and in the episode, he was Otsutsuki level strong, agree or not, and everyone else logical would agree. I did caution you on that basis, but you choose to ignore that continuously. I'm done reaching out to you, though, this ship has sailed.

1. I repeat.. Point out to me in the OP where it says "plot" since i must have missed it. I do use glasses after-all.
2. Underlined is incorrect. That is your own head canon. I repeat stream, rasengan and what not. The clones got negged. Rewatch the episode man :lol
3. Bold is most definitely incorrect lmao.

But you cannot, you're not a free mind, and you definitely understand nothing about plot and what it means to be a main character. Clearly, you watched Naruto lying on the wrong side in your bed. You seriously think main characters would not be a threat to any character they were faced against, as though any character Naruto fought never thought he was looming danger.

Of course i would not lmao. It'll lead to ridiculous and outright funny fanfic claims like the ones you've been making. Use logic, follow context and everything makes sense. You are telling me the Boruto that killed Momo without mastery of Jougan or Karma seal would defeat Deva Path in a pure 1v1. How that makes sense to you, i'll never know.

How could Naruto's chakra be superior? It was plain chakra while Momoshiki was doping on chakra induced witht the chakra fruit and should have had Sage art imbued into his chakra. Did you also not see them struggling against each other and Boruto sacrifice his arm? He may have got an injured arm in the end, but like I've been preaching, the process doesn't matter with the results considered. Momoshiki played it safe, Boruto didn't and so the former got overpowered. There's many instances in which Naruto gambled his life and won, and in the end, he was stronger, not because he had more ninjutsu or better quality of ninjutsu, his will and strength as a shinobi was just stronger. Jiraiya cannot explain it better. Even Sasuke now understands the true strength of a shinobi. Boruto didn't defeat Momoshiki with trangible power alone, or he would have been overpowered outright considering how strong Momoshiki was, even if Boruto had a better Rasengan. The tool became ineffectual when it was down to who had a better will or philosophically strong enough. That's why in the clash, they were about equal, until Boruto harnessed more inner strength realizing what was at stake and what he was fighting for. It's like that time when Sasuke and Naruto were up against the Sword of Nunobuko which had never been broken before and was said to be impervious to shattering, and even though, Sasuke and Naruto were able to break through it and overpower Obito. Their will and philosophy was stronger, and so they were an invincible force.

How many pages now and this is the first paragraph you've typed that makes sense although it still has irrelevant comparisons.

I believe Momo had exhausted the chakra fruits he had and his last burst of power was what he got from that Ninja tech guy when he was defeated originally. Iirc, Momoshiki clearly points out how they were similar to Otsutsuki pills but are still crude and inferior. So yeah, at that point Naruto's chakra would and should have been superior considering the fact that when using Kurama's chakra, his rasengans always remained blue.

Well, Boruto is the son of Naruto and a student of Sasuke's, that alone makes him potentially a bigger pain in the ass than Konohamaru was in his teen days, and worse with all the Otsutsuki blood coursing through his veins. Who knows what he could awaken with Jougan and Karma seal at the palm of hands, and the Karma sealm, literallly in his palm. Plus Boruto is much more talented than his father was, who could do all sorts of ridiculous things that even Sasuke, a talent incarnate couldn't pull off. Boruto has even more excuses than his father. He's got the power-ups, the power of friendship and plot shield. Naruto may have had plot shield, but he was at a limit with none of Sasuke's talent. Also, wouldn't we have called it ridiculous and shouted ''BS"' if Kishimoto released a statement that Boruto would have taken down Momoshiki prior the movie coming out with no context supporting it? I bet so, but look at how believable and stomachable it is now. Almost the whole fandom swallowed it.

Irrelevant. Current Boruto is not defeating Deva, not defeating Momo in a pure 1v1, not posing any sort of problem to Kaguya. Simple.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Bold is literally you whining bro what the hell? Like i said before, take your tears somewhere else.

I'm just trying hard to make you a better person, so I can not act like I'm enjoying this discussion. You minimized the emoticon usage so I'm getting through to you.

Try to think man.

So you're saying within a created context, he could. And never once did I say Naruto could defeat Kakashi, I challenge you to find the part where I said such a thing. Though you cannot ignore that if he was in the place of a villain and plot had Naruto needing to defeat Kakashi to move forward, it would easily be the case, like it was inconcievable that Kabuto could be defeated by Naruto but ended up being so. I would be making an example on Sasuke vs. Haku but then you've been prohibiting examples, for your convinience. I know it sounds ridiculous, but considering what we know and what we don't, you kind of have to compromise your logic. Before the movie, we wouldn't believe a story with Boruto defeating Momoshiki, a fused one even, and yet, in the movie, he did. Even though he might have got help. The help isn't THAT big when you consider that Sasuke left Boruto with Momoshik ALONE fighting for an entire minute, where Boruto took FULL ADVANTAGE of that minuscule time and defeated Momoshiki. The other Kage's also a bit of that amount of time and were floored really fast and it wouldn't have made a difference if Momoshiki's Rinnegan was disabled for them, they would still fall short to what Boruto could accomplish within that small amount of time.

All this is your headcanon because Boruto didn't brawl with Momo in Cqc.. Did he maneuver around an attack? Yes.. What happened next? He got negged. The rasengan left basically did nothing to Momo.. And no. Strength isn't what determined the winner of the rasengan whatever. Rasengan's are not swords bro. :lol

He didn't really get negged, since it was a RUSE, you cannot neg a ruse, if it's a set-up for another plan beyond the ruse. I don't see why you think Boruto intended to fight out Momoshiki in close combat, or he wouldn't have purposefully used clones and hid his real self out of his visual range. The Rasengan kind of hurt, his eyes went down to the hit area, as soon as the Rasengan connected. He even got mad, indicating that it wasn't just plain annoyance, but rather he was distraught it got him and even made a dent on him to that extent.

That's what the depiction was with their clash, though. Momoshiki and Boruto going all out with weapopns of equal power and Boruto sacrifcing himself to take Momoshiki down. That's why, as I saw it, Boruto seemed to be getting pushed back, before he sacrificed his muscles to push it back at Momoshiki. The ripping of his sleeve, I think, is to highlight of why Boruto ends up overpowering him, that force is more exerted from his arm than just the Rasengan doing the work for him. The fact he got overpowered at the start shows that his Rasengan wasn't superior to begin with.

This guy. I repeat, words upon numerous words unfortunately cannot hide the ridiculous logic you have continually been using. Are you being for real here man? That bold is you telling me P1 Base Naruto can defeat Kabuto? Just so you can convince yourself that you are making sense you keep spouting ridiculous notions lmao. Bruh.. not going to lie. I'm really laughing here.. this is entertaining XD

When did it change to Base Naruto? Hmm... I think you're the one making ridiculous moves here, because I meant in the beginning Part 1 Naruto, without the base to limit him. Base Naruto would probably lose, but even that is down to plot. Kyuubi Chakra Mode Naruto was out Kabuto's league, skill wise, but was able to almost take him down outright.

Tried man.. Don't know what you did here. Can't read this.

That's ignorance, refusing to read something because you wish not to understand it.

What is this? Man up and take your tears elsewhere. :lol

But I'm already manning up, dealing with your refusal of PLOT convinience.

If i like a post, i agree with it. I don't agree with yours and lol.. You want to cry because i didn't like your post? XD

You don't have to agree with it to like it. Like I don't agree with the new societal paradigm where grown females immerse in over-sexualized clothing, to arouse their targets, but I cannot lie to liking it.

What are you on about here? No shit Momoshiki gave him the seal. The bane of all this is the fact you're trying to push a Boruto without mastery over said Jougan and without Karma seal could have taken on Momo and won on his own over an additional scene that shows Boruto's clones get negged before he uses Naruto's chakra to win.

I never said that he would win on his own. You're changing this up, to fit your agenda. You admit that the seal is only given to those who defeated the god? That's what I was going for, I accept your change of thought on this front, Boruto did defeat Momoshiki, like I've been saying.

Yeah sure.. I think i also saw you bring up more irrelevant comparisons with Konohamaru and Haku somewhere up there. Keep reaching with some more examples bro.. I'll still be here to read em.

You also tried examples, but they failed as much, didn't they? Examples are sucking on both sides.

1. I repeat.. Point out to me in the OP where it says "plot" since i must have missed it. I do use glasses after-all.
2. Underlined is incorrect. That is your own head canon. I repeat stream, rasengan and what not. The clones got negged. Rewatch the episode man :lol
3. Bold is most definitely incorrect lmao.

You just label what is correct or incorrect according to you without really justifying, I only meet half way, unfortunately.

Of course i would not lmao. It'll lead to ridiculous and outright funny fanfic claims like the ones you've been making. Use logic, follow context and everything makes sense. You are telling me the Boruto that killed Momo without mastery of Jougan or Karma seal would defeat Deva Path in a pure 1v1. How that makes sense to you, i'll never know.

He would most probably defeat him, if plot wanted it. Why do you keep ignoring that plot is a contributing factor to this, out of all? Didn't we watch the same series where Sasuke and Naruto were like flies to Madara one second and the next, fighting on equal grounds with him?

How many pages now and this is the first paragraph you've typed that makes sense although it still has irrelevant comparisons.

Taking this as a loss of words or lack of rebuttal.

I believe Momo had exhausted the chakra fruits he had and his last burst of power was what he got from that Ninja tech guy when he was defeated originally. Iirc, Momoshiki clearly points out how they were similar to Otsutsuki pills but are still crude and inferior. So yeah, at that point Naruto's chakra would and should have been superior considering the fact that when using Kurama's chakra, his rasengans always remained blue.

Reconsider what you say here, especially at the Kurama chakra part.

Irrelevant. Current Boruto is not defeating Deva, not defeating Momo in a pure 1v1, not posing any sort of problem to Kaguya. Simple.

Why not? Main characters always pose a problem to any character. Naruto posed a problem to even Orochimaru, such that he wanted to kill him before he could nurture his powers. Plot protected him, though, but he was still acknowledged threat. Then the Akatsuki. Then Obito, then Madara, then even Kaguya was acknowedging him as a threat, to the point of separating Sasuke to handle him. Had Kaguya been reborn sooner, I don't think this would have changed. Main characters are just written out to be threats to the opposing forces. It's just the way it is.

 

[Animegoin]

Nerf is a term reserved for someone who has shown higher capabilities, but was restricted from using them. Madara never showed any higher capability than what we’ve seen, you simply BELIEVE he SHOULD have been stronger.

TSB? I’m not seeing the relevance. He can’t touch Kaguya. If she changes dimensions he can’t do anything. He can’t counter ash bones, period, and Limbo is a non issue being that Kaguya can perceive and sense them. Team 7s strategic intelligence and battle experience far outstrips Madara’s, especially Obito’s. She was defending from simply being touched. Madara can’t seal her, beat her, or escape her. She’s a completely different beast. You keep saying “two kids” as if they weren’t just violating Madara before he cast IT.

“Two Kids” who were each top 5 in the NV

Kakashi’s DMS is the only reason they sealed Kaguya. It took the collective effort of Rinnegan Sasuke, RSM Naruto, DMS Kakashi, and Byakugou Sakura to TOUCH her with two hands. There’s absolutely no way Madara is competing with that.

You failed at that opening statement.
I guess you don’t find it weird that Madara more or less relied on one technique since he became the Juubi’s Jinchuriki? That being Limbo.

 

[Mellanoma]

Your joking right? Kaguya got solo'd by two kids unnerfed Madara shits on Kaguya. The only character stated by Kishi himself not to have a weakness is Madara.

lol you must be trolling.

Madara is better than her in reference to battle intellgence and combat capabilities but Kaguya's abilities are far beyond Madara's capabilities.

We also only saw an emotionally wrecked Kaguya but based off her Omni dimension shifting i'd give her the W.

You failed at that opening statement.
I guess you don’t find it weird that Madara more or less relied on one technique since he became the Juubi’s Jinchuriki? That being Limbo.

I agree but the only reason I thought he relied on Limbo was due to IT and Divine Tree jutsu requiring massive amounts of chakra.

Edit: He did use Gale.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

lol you must be trolling.

Madara is better than her in reference to battle intellgence and combat capabilities but Kaguya's abilities are far beyond Madara's capabilities.

We also only saw an emotionally wrecked Kaguya but based off her Omni dimension shifting i'd give her the W.

all what you posted is nonsense and assumptions

the fact of the matter is Her Aresenal is weak comparin to Madara ( any form of Madara ) and Obito ( any Form )

she was defeated by team 7 more specifically 2 teens

unlike Madara or Obito who Fought the whole alliance + Edo Kages + Naruto and Sasuke + Kakashi

that's FACT not assumption

Madara wasn't defeated till this Day by Naruto and Sasuke

he was defeated by kishimoto aka plot no jutsu as we said before ​

 

[Animegoin]

I agree but the only reason I thought he relied on Limbo was due to IT and Divine Tree jutsu requiring massive amounts of chakra.

Edit: He did use Gale.

Madara was a Juubi Jinchuriki, he could literally spam any number of jutsu and it would have little-to-no impact on his massive chakra reserve; remember that he had two Sage modes (Hashirama’s and the Juubi’s).

Also remember that he used the Catastrophic Chibaku Tensei, that alone had to take up a huge amount of chakra and Madara wasn’t phased by it at all.

 

[Mellanoma]

Madara was a Juubi Jinchuriki, he could literally spam any number of jutsu and it would have little-to-no impact on his massive chakra reserve; remember that he had two Sage modes (Hashirama’s and the Juubi’s).

Also remember that he used the Catastrophic Chibaku Tensei, that alone had to take up a huge amount of chakra and Madara wasn’t phased by it at all.

thats false and you know it considering kaguya exhausted her supplies with her dimension shifting.

Also you can't compare CCT to World side Divine Tree which literally captured everyone on the planet and IT which casted a tsukyomi on the planet.

 

[Mellanoma]

all what you posted is nonsense and assumptions

the fact of the matter is Her Aresenal is weak comparin to Madara ( any form of Madara ) and Obito ( any Form )

she was defeated by team 7 more specifically 2 teens

unlike Madara or Obito who Fought the whole alliance + Edo Kages + Naruto and Sasuke + Kakashi

that's FACT not assumption

Madara wasn't defeated till this Day by Naruto and Sasuke

he was defeated by kishimoto aka plot no jutsu as we said before ​

MAdara was defeated by black zetsu... Kaguya was defeated by two powerful teens and an underestimated team 7+ obito

 

[Animegoin]

thats false and you know it considering kaguya exhausted her supplies with her dimension shifting.

Also you can't compare CCT to World side Divine Tree which literally captured everyone on the planet and IT which casted a tsukyomi on the planet.

My statement wasn’t false but your comparison is, Kaguya was teleporting 6 people across the universe and to different planets...you’re insane trying to compare that to the techniques Rikudou Madara was using at the time.

And even after he’d used Divine: Deep Forest emergence, IT (genjutsu) and CCC, he was still ready to fight seriously like he’d done absolutely nothing seconds prior. Lmfao stop.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Kaguya would massacre Madara and anyone who disagrees is obviously high on cocaine.
But that still doesn't change the fact that Kaguya is a garbage villan, garbage character, the worst Naruto villan and one of the worst anime villains ever.

To this day I still dont understand why Kishimoto had to make Kaguya the final villan. It was so fuking random.

kishimoto wanted to write an entire arc with her...but (once again) his editors said otherwise