Why do people claim their THEORY as MANGA FACTS?

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I see the appeal to it. I mean, if it is plausible, it is believable. But that on itself does not make a theory into a fact.
Only dumb people would think that "It is POSSIBLE = it ACTUALLY is"

If there is some mental gymnastics involved, that means that it is merely a theory. A fact is cut dry, fact. No refuting it. It is impossible.

I see a lot of people using the theory "Uzumakis are Senjus" as a fact. Any kind of further thinking will overturn that especially when presented with new evidence. The fact that it has holes needed to fill just to make that statement true means that it is not a fact.

You are BIASED AF. You look at things SUBJECTIVELY than OBJECTIVELY. You choose the one that best fit your fandom despite having presented with new facts! Yours is a THEORY not a FACT. Outdated one at that.

The only facts to back the theory of "Uzumaki is part of Senju clan":

FACT #1: Nagato is Senju as well as Uzumaki
FACT #2: Uzumaki is distantly related to Senju
FACT #3: Because there are no more Senju, Naruto became Asura's transmigrant

The theory of all these 3 spelling out: Uzumaki are Senju makes sense. But it is not a fact. It requires one to string them all together to drive that conclusion with complete disregard of other evidence that prove otherwise.

The fact that speculation and omission are required to make this theory true means that it is a WEAK theory.

These are outdated facts at that.

FACT #1: Nagato's relation with Senju

Naruto and Nagato and the rest of the Uzumaki were indeed set up as Senju. That is solely due to the "RS ending." However, the plot moved further than that and retconned the entire RS thing.

FACT #3: Naruto is the 2nd coming of the ultimate being: Rikudou Sennin
Revised FACT: Naruto is Asura's transmigrant
Revised FACT: The ultimate being is RS's mother, "Rabbit goddess"
Rerevised FACT: there is no ultimate being since it can be achieved by eating your partner as a chakra fruit
Revised FACT: There are 2 Rikudou Sennin, Kaguya the rabbit goddess's twins: Hagoromo and Hamura


Nagato's plotline was from a time where the end plot was not fully established yet. It is where Hagoromo and Hamura were practically nonexistent, just an idea that is not fully developed, let alone established. So at the end of the series, we cannot take anything that was INTRODUCED during the Nagato plotline as is. Things were not as they seem.

Hell, even at the end, it was still the case. We see Kaguya without Tenseigan, yet Hamura got them and Toneri awakened his. This storytelling conflicted because the movie was being kept under wraps.


"BUT UZUMAKI IS SENJU IS MANGA FACTS" by some no-brained dumbass
It isn't. It is nowhere shown nor said that they were.

It is
IMPLIED that they were DURING the Rikudou Sennin plotline. This was overturned when Kaguya became the ultimate being; Rikudou Sennin became Hagoromo and Hamura; and Naruto became Asura's transmigrant instead.

NEW AND FAR MORE DEVELOPED FACTS AND EVIDENCE:

similarities and carbon copy parallels.

Toneri's plotline is Madara's plotline
Toneri (pre Tenseigan) is Naruto.
Kinshiki has chakra armaments like the Uzumaki chains

Momoshiki's plotline is Kaguya's.

Here we have a Yin awakening the Rinne doujutsu and a Yang awakening Tenseigan.
Toneri having the same abilities as Naruto.

Symbolism throughout the Otsutsuki ark (from end of Naruto to the 2 movies to Boruto).

Yin = black/dark/spirit/mental/feminine/negative/mind/intangible (simply Rinnegan and Sage tattoos)
Yang = white/light/reality/physical/masculine/positive/body/tangible (Tenseigan and Chakra whatever)

duality = partnered up with oppposites.

Hagoromo = Hamura

Uchiha + Senju + Uzumaki? NONONO... There's no duality there. Uchihas do not have other split clans. Senjus do not have split clans. Hyugas do not have split clans.


There are no branch clans with other names. There are no statements that say Uzumaki is a branch. Nor was it ever shown.

Which means, new facts and evidences refute the Uzumaki are Senju theory.
 
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well the fact that you call it a theory rather than a fact makes you a whole lot better than those who claim their theories as facts.

Tag me when you post em
i posted them since 2010...

madara has body secrets in uchiha stone...and they are related to tobi's true identity...

tobi told 5 kages his true identity is madara who fought hashirama...but he told them HE WAS JUST AN EMPTY SHELL OF HIS FORMERSELF (prime madara)...

itachi told sasuke same thing : "madara is just an empty shell of his formerself"..

what is empty shell?????...

it's like gedo mazo for juubi...


gedo mazo is juubi....and tailed beasts are also juubi...


go to chapters of konan vs tobi fight...

tobi told konan about izanagi and sozo banbutsu jutsu (creation of all things jusu)...and how hagoromo split juubi and created into 9 tailed beasts and empty shell gedo mazo...then tobi told konan his true identity to be madara

konan always called tobi madara..but when she was about to die...she asked tobi : " what are you???"...

tobi then told her his true ID " legend say uchiha Madara is dead...but is that true???...i only fought hashi to access his abilties...reall battle has just begun....I AM UCHIHA MADARA WHO FOUGHT HASHIRAMA...TRUE WINNER IS HE WHO FOCUS ON FUTURE"

-tell me why would tobi lie to a dead konan????..


notice how tobi linked sozo banbutsu and izanagi to his true identity...


madara who is tobi is just empty shell of his prime Madara....he sealed himself (empty shell) inside Obito...without even obito realizing this...

tobimadara who was sealed inside obito controling him planned to make nagato use rinnetensei TO REVIVE HIS REALL VESSEL WICH IS PRIME MADARA !!!...


-all readers wee tricked becuz they thought rinnetensei that obito was forced to use on madara meant madara was dead...but that's not true...

just becuz madara got rinnetenseid dont mean madara was dead....becuz think about it well...why was madara so eager to die??? why would madara of cave die and trust obito to revive him????...why is the act of dying then get revived so importnat to madara???...

answer is reason why madara wanted nagato to use rinnetensei on him is becuz THE RINNETENSEI REJUVENILES MADARA'S BODY AND GETS IT BACK TO ITS YOUTH FORM!!!!...


itachi and kisame aren't stupid to call tobi madara...

kisame saw tobi's face twice and awalys called him madara...becuz madara's flesh surfaced on obito's skin while obito was under controll



if u have any problems wit my theory tell me..
 
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i posted them since 2010...

madara has body secrets in uchiha stone...and they are related to tobi's true identity...

tobi told 5 kages his true identity is madara who fought hashirama...but he told them HE WAS JUST AN EMPTY SHELL OF HIS FORMERSELF (prime madara)...

itachi told sasuke same thing : "madara is just an empty shell of his formerself"..

what is empty shell?????...

it's like gedo mazo for juubi...


gedo mazo is juubi....and tailed beasts are also juubi...


go to chapters of konan vs tobi fight...

tobi told konan about izanagi and sozo banbutsu jutsu (creation of all things jusu)...and how hagoromo split juubi and created into 9 tailed beasts and empty shell gedo mazo...then tobi told konan his true identity to be madara

konan always called tobi madara..but when she was about to die...she asked tobi : " what are you???"...

tobi then told her his true ID " legend say uchiha Madara is dead...but is that true???...i only fought hashi to access his abilties...reall battle has just begun....I AM UCHIHA MADARA WHO FOUGHT HASHIRAMA...TRUE WINNER IS HE WHO FOCUS ON FUTURE"

-tell me why would tobi lie to a dead konan????..


notice how tobi linked sozo banbutsu and izanagi to his true identity...


madara who is tobi is just empty shell of his prime Madara....he sealed himself (empty shell) inside Obito...without even obito realizing this...

tobimadara who was sealed inside obito controling him planned to make nagato use rinnetensei TO REVIVE HIS REALL VESSEL WICH IS PRIME MADARA !!!...


-all readers wee tricked becuz they thought rinnetensei that obito was forced to use on madara meant madara was dead...but that's not true...

just becuz madara got rinnetenseid dont mean madara was dead....becuz think about it well...why was madara so eager to die??? why would madara of cave die and trust obito to revive him????...why is the act of dying then get revived so importnat to madara???...

answer is reason why madara wanted nagato to use rinnetensei on him is becuz THE RINNETENSEI REJUVENILES MADARA'S BODY AND GETS IT BACK TO ITS YOUTH FORM!!!!...


itachi and kisame aren't stupid to call tobi madara...

kisame saw tobi's face twice and awalys called him madara...becuz madara's flesh surfaced on obito's skin while obito was under controll



if u have any problems wit my theory tell me..
Are you kishi, if so please make this the ending
 

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HE WAS JUST AN EMPTY SHELL OF HIS FORMERSELF (prime madara)...
with the new things going on in Naruto... err Boruto, especially with Karma, I can totally buy that Tobi is just Madara's Karma.
After all, Jigen is Isshiki's and Black Zetsu is Kaguya's and Momoshiki is Boruto's.

gedo mazo is juubi....and tailed beasts are also juubi...
juubi =/= gedo mazou.

Juubi = Kaguya's chakra
Gedo Mazou = Kaguya's vessel

but I get the idea that they are part of the same entity (Kaguya)

hagoromo split juubi and created into 9 tailed beasts and empty shell gedo mazo
old fact, Hagoromo and Hamura did that. Not Hagoromo alone (the only thing he did was split chakra into 9 ways since Hamura took the Gedo Mazou). He did that so that neither Indra nor Asura will inherit the Juubi.

but that's besides the point. Your theory still stands. Don't mind the nitpick details (they are irrelevant to the main theory)

why would madara of cave die and trust obito to revive him????...why is the act of dying then get revived so importnat to madara???...
He doesn't trust Obito. That's why he gave him Black Zetsu as he is "his" will. I think Obito was meant to be Madara's Karma so he has no choice but to revive him.

Madara was already old by the time he had Rinnegan. He might have also used the Outer Path for other means and that drained him (similar to Nagato).

So he wanted to be revived young and in his prime. That's probably his why he wanted Obito.



10/10

Would've preferred that the Gedo Mazou is the body of Tobi though.
 
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"cough cough.......... Minamoto" Oh sorry I had something in my throat. I have seen this a lot on many different forums and especially here. This is not just about the Uzumaki is Senju but general about any theory.
to be fair, he is transparent about his being a theory.

unlike some people who spouts theirs as "MANGA FACTS" and when presented with more manga facts they would just ignore them and say "it doesn't apply because it counters my fandom so your manga facts are made up"
 
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