Why Didn't Madara just give Obito his Rinnegan?

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[EdoItachi]

(First thread/post! Gotta start somewhere)

Madara gave Nagato his rinnegan without explaining anything to him, and instead made Obito his main b!tch, so to speak. How does that make any sense? If anything, shouldn't Madara have taken into account that Nagato's Uzumaki heritage could keep him from sympathizing with an Uchiha?

He did have the Will of Fire before Hanzo and Danzo's shenanigan's (and Obito's corruption); how could that have been Madara's plan? Nagato wasn't even an orphan when he got the Rinnegan.

He wanted to use Nagato to revive him and knew that Obito wouldn't willingly give his life for Madara's so he used him as a back-up plan it worked out for him in the end either way he's alive now. Also wasn't Nagato always an orphan considering he's an Uzumaki and his parents weren't even ninja.

 

[poopieface]

Madara didn't give obito the rinnegan not because he could not control the rinnegan but because he wanted obito to take his place and manipulate the akatsuki, nagato was meant to be the sacrifice for resurrection technique to revive madara in his prime form.
If madara had given the rinnegan to obito, obito would would immediately betray madara cuz he didn't want to sacrifice his life for madara.

This also makes sense. Although, knowing Madara, lying about whether Rinne rebirth kills you doesn't seem beyond him. Besides, by that same thread, we don't even know how he planned to convince Nagato to use rinne rebirth, since I doubt Nagato had any intention of giving his life to the eye of the moon plan.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

As far as i remember,
Madara gave the rinnegan to Nagato before finding Obito

While being an Uzumaki with huge chakra reserves, Nagato was able to use the rinnegan pretty effectively

Although with Hashi's cells Obito was able to carry on the plan after the betrayal of Nagato.

 

[Deuz]

I guess that makes the most sense. Thank you for actually giving thought to the subject matter, most people seem to quickly dismiss questions without thinking through.

I'm sorry to those who think this thread is pointless. My only remaining question is, why did Madara leave Nagato alone for so long? Any number of things could have happened. I do not know how old he was when Tobito approached him, but it seemed like he was in his teens. How his Rinnegan didn't attract attention to him is beyond me; if byakugans and sharingans and are sought after all over the nations, wouldn't a rinnegan really stand out?

Even Shisui predicted that battles would break out over his one remaining eye. Leaving young Nagato alone (with a living Uzumaki family) with the freaking eye of the Sage of Six Paths himself... does no one see how this was reckless?

im guessing its because he wasnt part of a bigger nation that is why he did not get alot of attention, and i think tobito waited until nagato could best use his rinnegan.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Nagato was a perfect pick.. a uzumaki child compatible with the rinnegan in the middle of a war zone guaranteed to get traumatised and to be easily manipulated. Next step was to manipulate an uchiha with sharingan as your main man who you can set up to be manipulated by black zetsu/your will in case he would betray you, why needing a uchiha with sharingan? to manipulate nagato ofcourse to eventually use rinne tensei, it is a known fact that genjutsu was nagato's weakness.

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

(First thread/post! Gotta start somewhere)

Madara gave Nagato his rinnegan without explaining anything to him, and instead made Obito his main b!tch, so to speak. How does that make any sense? If anything, shouldn't Madara have taken into account that Nagato's Uzumaki heritage could keep him from sympathizing with an Uchiha?

He did have the Will of Fire before Hanzo and Danzo's shenanigan's (and Obito's corruption); how could that have been Madara's plan? Nagato wasn't even an orphan when he got the Rinnegan.

Well some people above cleared most of it but Madara had it planned out, nagato an uzumaki with uchiha eyes / rinnegan to be used for Madara's revival, obito to take the place of madara and with nagato to collect the tailed beast and revive madara.
Very little do people know about the rinnegan so seeing it wouldn't matter, with nagato only jiriaya and hanzo knew what his eyes were.
It was a risk leaving his eyes to someone else but i guess until Obito took over he had zetsus, watching over him.
And it was also a factor that Nagato was raised in that village between a war to better convince nagato to madara and/or obito's plan. Obito also made it more possible.

 

[Bunspreader4000]

to get nagato to form to take over the akutski with obito pulling the strings to get them to get all the bijju since obito couldnt do it alone i have just soloed another thread

There he goes again he does this a lot.. But he sure is smart!!

 

[poopieface]

Nagato was a perfect pick.. a uzumaki child compatible with the rinnegan in the middle of a war zone guaranteed to get traumatised and to be easily manipulated. Next step was to manipulate an uchiha with sharingan as your main man who you can set up to be manipulated by black zetsu/your will in case he would betray you, why needing a uchiha with sharingan? to manipulate nagato ofcourse to eventually use rinne tensei, it is a known fact that genjutsu was nagato's weakness.

Well some people above cleared most of it but Madara had it planned out, nagato an uzumaki with uchiha eyes / rinnegan to be used for Madara's revival, obito to take the place of madara and with nagato to collect the tailed beast and revive madara.
Very little do people know about the rinnegan so seeing it wouldn't matter, with nagato only jiriaya and hanzo knew what his eyes were.
It was a risk leaving his eyes to someone else but i guess until Obito took over he had zetsus, watching over him.
And it was also a factor that Nagato was raised in that village between a war to better convince nagato to madara and/or obito's plan. Obito also made it more possible.

Yeah, this all makes sense, except the rinnegan not being recognized and potentially hunted/harmed. I mean, if Jiraiya knew about it then surely many others did. At the very least, people would have questioned what it was. But I guess I can write that part off to PNJ.

Also, I hadn't thought of Zetsus watching Nagato.

Alright, thanks to everyone who contributed! Sorry to those whose time I wasted. I wasn't trying to imply it was a plothole; I'm humble enough to admit that I sometimes miss details/fail to read between the lines.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Yeah, this all makes sense, except the rinnegan not being recognized and potentially hunted/harmed. I mean, if Jiraiya knew about it then surely many others did. At the very least, people would have questioned what it was. But I guess I can write that part off to PNJ.

Also, I hadn't thought of Zetsus watching Nagato.

Nagato always had his hair in front of his eyes, the only people with the exception of jiraiya that saw his eyes died, by nagato using them.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

probably nagato was his son somehow.He have special interest in him than Obito

 

[HashiraMadara]

he wanted some one to wake him with rinne tensei and didn't want to use obito(he's an uchiha) at that time!

 

[Bronze]

1st reason, Obito was not born during Nagato's childhood, therefore, Madara could not have knew him.

2nd reason, Nagato was the only person during the 2nd shinobi war era can handle the power of Rinnegan, due to his Uzumaki heritage.​

 

[VongolaX]

Like everyone posted, he met Obito after he put his eyes into Nagato.

He fortunetly met Obito and implanted Senju cells immediately after he fell in.

Knowing that he would later come back to repay Madara, Madara informed Obito about the sage's origins and how he awaken the rinnegan.

Since he has the sage's chakra (Uchiha and senju), he left the Gedo Statue in his use and taught him advance uchiha techniques, The six path Justus, and a Yin yang release (I'nyouton).

Obito and zetsu would later install Madara's plan of peace and bestow his teachings of the sage of six path Justus/history towards Nagato.
Forming Akatsuki..,

This is what you call Precognition on Madara's part, any one with straight commas can plan this out effectively.

Side note: If Obito didn't show, Madara would have had black zetsu force Nagato to use a Rinne tensei at a weaken state.
Black zetsu did say that it was his true purpose...

 

[Sentinel]

(First thread/post! Gotta start somewhere)

Madara gave Nagato his rinnegan without explaining anything to him, and instead made Obito his main b!tch, so to speak. How does that make any sense? If anything, shouldn't Madara have taken into account that Nagato's Uzumaki heritage could keep him from sympathizing with an Uchiha?

He did have the Will of Fire before Hanzo and Danzo's shenanigan's (and Obito's corruption); how could that have been Madara's plan? Nagato wasn't even an orphan when he got the Rinnegan.

Madara gave his rinnegan to nagato befor he met Obito Uchiha, and I suppose he did this in order to preserve chakra, he had to keep sucking chakra from the gedo mazo to stay alive, with the rinnegan he would have probably needed more chakra, possebly even more then he could get and it would shorten his ability to stay alive in this manner.
as to why he chose an uzumaki child, that probably has to do with their connection to the senju and giving the eyes the ability to mature with a lot of senju chakra. since he only had a small part senju at that time.