Why didn't Itachi kill Obito?

[Chie]

Obito wins with Kamui. U_U

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Getting this thread more off-topic, but I'll reply to this as well. xD

Maybe so, but despite everything, I believe the evidence was too weak to justify his crimes. U_U

Yes, that's a very valid viewpoint to have when someone doesn't bother to understand the character.

Him being a prodigy was never justified because prodigies rarely make foolish mistakes jeopardizing their own life along with others. Now the only Uchiha I can think was more of a prodigy, is Madara since firstly he lived through a period of turmoil and suffering(so it was more justifiable), he physically skilled able to take on opponents well older than him and even had the right mind set of seeking peace(and stuck to that ideal). Even if his method of pursuing peace was wrong, he was someone who followed the principles and ideas off a sacred tablet and did it all on his own while preparing ahead and setting up plans if the original failed. :hmm:

Madara consistently contradicted himself by claiming his clan was first and then leaving them. Being manipulated via BZ and having things conveniently fall into place via BZ isn't prodigious.

Every prodigy in this series has made mistakes. Point invalid.

I already mentioned, I was referring to the screen time here. :|
No he did not because Orochimaru was highly instrumental in his plans and succeeded in capturing Sasuke as well as causing havoc in Konoha and this occurred during Itachi's life while he was in Akatsuki. It's all in the manga as well as the anime for proof during part 1. The incident lead to the 3rd Hokage's death and Oro's successful exploitation of Sasuke resulting in the formation of his snake cursed seal which Itachi had to remove later on. Itachi came with Kisame to check up on Konoha, after it's invasion but he was too late for the damage had already taken place. Already that is two failures and during his life and the undeniable proof is right there. U_U

You're basically saying that Itachi is a failure since he couldn't control scenarios of conflicts that occurred kilometers away from him. That's called being human. He's not a deity.

Oh well maybe Sasuke shouldn't have helped Itachi during the battle against Kabuto then and gone to the battlefield after Naruto then? :| Itachi probably would've been subdued in the cave and under Kabuto's control all over again after rewriting the seal. That would've meant Sasuke would've remained a villain then. Shisui did what was best for the interest of himself as well as the Uchiha and he would've succeeded without a single life being lost, if it wasn't for that fuking Danzo. Danzo was seemingly in control of the situation from the shadows and manipulated Itachi with his tense words after stealing Shisui's eye thus resulting in a massacre. U_U

Funny how Kabuto chose to point out that Itachi consistently protecting Sasuke in that fight and caring about him even in death touched his heart.

Shisui went behind his best friend's back and as a result got wrecked. Then committed suicide and left the entire problem in a 13 yr old's hands.

Danzo blackmailed Itachi. This would happen to anyone who cared for both sides.

But Sasuke was just a kid back then and it was Itachi's job to protect him as he lived by that oath. Itachi was also known to always keep an eye on Sasuke. Obviously your response is careless just because he's your fave.

If one doesn't live in the same vicinity as a character, it's impossible to protect them from everything. And even when they live near them, it's still not 100% possible.

Given that Sasuke would be dead long ago had it not been for Itachi. He did it enough.

That last part makes no sense. If Itachi screwed up, I'll admit it. What he did to Sasuke as far as choosing a path for him was very selfish. That's his fault regarding his brother. His faults aren't what you're pointing out. Also, I have many faves- not just him. I like them for what they do... I don't like them regardless of what they do. Had he done something I didn't like, I'd have stopped being a fan immediately and not cared for it.

Same reply as above^ It was his job to protect and he wasn't even there. He was apart of an organization that would constantly keep track of all villages with tailed beasts and yet he was unaware? Again, a failure of naming him a prodigy. :eww:

^This post basically justifies him not being there. You're admitting he's a part of Akatsuki. An organization that Orochimaru left and they failed to track him. They wouldn't know what Orochimaru would be up to unless he already does it.

His flaws are impetuous and worthy of valid criticism. His character was decieving and unstable. The mistake was to name him a prodigy and to make it out as if he was perfect at everything, when in reality he was not and failed miserably. U_U

Inaccurate analysis. Careless flaws? It seems you're still believing in his facade.

All the prodigies made mistakes. And he was not made out to be perfect at everything. You missed the point behind the character entirely because for some reason or another, looking at what he really was makes you feel uncomfortable. Ah well, it is what it is.

Yah and all of that was what was witnessed afterwards when he gradually began revealing the truth as an Edo tensei. However, my point still stands as he was that sort of person during his lifetime. A truly overrated character indeed and your probably can't see this because of you're ignorance. Well, that's not my problem in the end. :hmm:

Character development. He looked back at his mistakes as an Edo Tensei and realised he did wrong. This prevents a character from being bland and a flat character. You seem to prefer the more clear-cut characters that aren't controversial. That's okay, everyone has their own personal preference. Have a nice day.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Yes, that's a very valid viewpoint to have when someone doesn't bother to understand the character.

Wow, you actually took the time to reply. A typically statement of an ignorant fangirl/fanboy, trying to defend their fave I guess. How annoyingly obstinate? U_U

Madara consistently contradicted himself by claiming his clan was first and then leaving them. Being manipulated via BZ and having things conveniently fall into place via BZ isn't prodigious.

Every prodigy in this series has made mistakes. Point invalid.

Since when the hell did he claim that his clan was first, above all else? I admit, that he might have had this ideal during Izuna's lifetime, but after his death he looked into things far more deeply. Uchiha are known for their sensitive and contemplating nature, as you already know. He had a dream to stop all conflicts and to just establish love and peace, not just for himself and the Uchiha but for the whole world. He never contradicted himself but rather wanted to end a contradiction. This is your misconception and what appears to be a concept which your narrow mind doesn't seem to comprehend about this inscrutable character. :| I must admit, your own quote above should be inserted here* :lol

BZ was just an asspull along with Kaguya, although if you're really yearning for an explanation then I'm more than pleased to provide. BZ was the one who provided Madara with a solution and some steps in how to approach what seemed like a utopia. He was never directly manipulated, so the relationship is almost trivial. However, it was Madara that did all the hard work to achieve all that. Besides, it's nothing too shocking for me since BZ is just an alien-like species, not a specific character. Even the wikia doesn't consider it to have a specific gender and refers to it as just "it". :yeah: And giving credit to BZ instead of Madara for all things, is no different than giving all the credit to Shisui for all things Itachi did, despite Itachi doing all the physical hard work. Yah, your statement sounds quite idiotic now. U_U

You're basically saying that Itachi is a failure since he couldn't control scenarios of conflicts that occurred kilometers away from him. That's called being human. He's not a deity.

Well, he was a ninja and considering he was a part of Akatsuki, he had the aid of Zetsu to check up on Konoha. What kind of brother would promise to protect his younger sibling, even willing to always be their for him, well not be there always in the end. He was liar and indeed failed. Take Itachi's twang out of your eyes and understand what is being said. Who is claiming that he was a diety? In the fictional world, there exists something called powers and abilities. Even Madara was still considered a human being, despite possessing God-like powers. :|

Funny how Kabuto chose to point out that Itachi consistently protecting Sasuke in that fight and caring about him even in death touched his heart.

Shisui went behind his best friend's back and as a result got wrecked. Then committed suicide and left the entire problem in a 13 yr old's hands.

Danzo blackmailed Itachi. This would happen to anyone who cared for both sides.

I think your misunderstood while writing the first sentence. :| What Shisui did was the best thing anyone could do. To stop a conflict by mere genjutsu and preventing the loss of any life. Although Danzo got in the way perhaps due to plot. However what Itachi did was purely atrocious. Killing other innocents including children, elderly and even his mother who were not even involved in the coup as a result of a handful with rebellious minds. If you seem to be acknowledging Itachi for all of this, then I wonder how far you would go to slaughter your parents and children for some patriotic cause. You can sugar coat things how you want, the truth is that Danzo was in control of the situation as he was ordering Itachi to go and slaughter his family along with his clan. Itachi while revered as a prodigy, could not think for himself and just imprudently went along with the idea. In the end he surely failed and admitted it later on. U_U

If one doesn't live in the same vicinity as a character, it's impossible to protect them from everything. And even when they live near them, it's still not 100% possible.

Given that Sasuke would be dead long ago had it not been for Itachi. He did it enough.

That last part makes no sense. If Itachi screwed up, I'll admit it. What he did to Sasuke as far as choosing a path for him was very selfish. That's his fault regarding his brother. His faults aren't what you're pointing out. Also, I have many faves- not just him. I like them for what they do... I don't like them regardless of what they do. Had he done something I didn't like, I'd have stopped being a fan immediately and not cared for it.

Like I already said, ninjas are capable of protecting one another with the powers that they are given. I don't see why this should be an excuse for a so-called prodigy like Itachi? :|

I did not understand what you said at the end, except for "I have many faves- not just him."

^This post basically justifies him not being there. You're admitting he's a part of Akatsuki. An organization that Orochimaru left and they failed to track him. They wouldn't know what Orochimaru would be up to unless he already does it.

You just admitted here what I said was true. :lol Also did you forget about Zetsu, the biggest spy in Akatsuki? :eww: I mean how do you think Itachi got information about the Invasion of Konoha and the death of 3rd Hokage in the first place then?

Inaccurate analysis. Careless flaws? It seems you're still believing in his facade.

All the prodigies made mistakes. And he was not made out to be perfect at everything. You missed the point behind the character entirely because for some reason or another, looking at what he really was makes you feel uncomfortable. Ah well, it is what it is.

Too much fanboyism in this post. :| You don't understand what I'm trying to get at here. Itachi was deemed a prodigy, and yet he was unofficially a huge failure in some of the characters who were given most screentime. It is this which makes him dislikable. I understand that all prodigies made mistakes, but not in the way that Itachi did. He was indeed made out to be perfect at everything during his youth, or atleast how Kishi portrayed him. But it's like I said and what you failed to understand, he had 3 things to protect and failed to protect all 3. U_U

Character development. He looked back at his mistakes as an Edo Tensei and realised he did wrong. This prevents a character from being bland and a flat character. You seem to prefer the more clear-cut characters that aren't controversial. That's okay, everyone has their own personal preference. Have a nice day. [/spoiler]

Not really, there are Madara and Obito who are also controversial characters I admire. I want you to understand that I'm not hating on Itachi. I actually think he was a better character than someone like Sasuke, even if he failed. I just want people to understand and to stop overrating him and this is giving rise to a high level of trollery which isn;t good for health at all. Hope you understand and the same to you.

 

[Chie]

Wow, you actually took the time to reply. A typically statement of an ignorant fangirl/fanboy, trying to defend their fave I guess. How annoyingly obstinate? U_U

Of course I took the time to reply. You did, so I might as well return that courtesy, right?
It's okay, my friend. We can both be ignorant and stubborn in our own ways. xD

Since when the hell did he claim that his clan was first, above all else? I admit, that he might have had this ideal during Izuna's lifetime, but after his death he looked into things far more deeply. Uchiha are known for their sensitive and contemplating nature, as you already know. He had a dream to stop all conflicts and to just establish love and peace, not just for himself and the Uchiha but for the whole world. He never contradicted himself but rather wanted to end a contradiction. This is your misconception and what appears to be a concept which your narrow mind doesn't seem to comprehend about this inscrutable character. :| I must admit, your own quote above should be inserted here* :lol

He said all he wanted to do was protect them when he was alive. He in turn ended up leaving them instead of protecting them from Tobirama's actions.

No, it's called looking at the manga for what it is and pointing out faults. I can guarantee that I have defended Madara more on this site than you ever have or will in the future. But he did contradict himself at times.

BZ was just an asspull along with Kaguya,

So convenient to claim that something is an asspull in the story when it goes against what you were stating.

although if you're really yearning for an explanation then I'm more than pleased to provide. BZ was the one who provided Madara with a solution and some steps in how to approach what seemed like a utopia. He was never directly manipulated, so the relationship is almost trivial. However, it was Madara that did all the hard work to achieve all that. Besides, it's nothing too shocking for me since BZ is just an alien-like species, not a specific character. Even the wikia doesn't consider it to have a specific gender and refers to it as just "it". :yeah: And giving credit to BZ instead of Madara for all things, is no different than giving all the credit to Shisui for all things Itachi did, despite Itachi doing all the physical hard work. Yah, your statement sounds quite idiotic now. U_U

BZ not being human is a random point to make. Given that he's referred to as "he", yeah it's not a girl. :/

Bold makes no sense- I understand Madara put in hard work. However, he didn't even really know what he was setting himself up for in the end and wholeheartedly believed all lies from BZ and the tablet.

All Shisui did in regards to Itachi was give him one KA shot and died in front of him which led to him awakening MS.

BZ literally gave Madara the plan via the tablet, switched Nagato's eyes with Madara's Rinnegan so the plan could continue, assisted Obito in manipulating Konan/Nagato, etc. He did a good section of the plan. Madara was actually dead for a good deal of it.

My statement is quite right.

Well, he was a ninja and considering he was a part of Akatsuki, he had the aid of Zetsu to check up on Konoha. What kind of brother would promise to protect his younger sibling, even willing to always be their for him, well not be there always in the end.

The path he took didn't allow him to be always there.

He was liar and indeed failed.

That happens to a human being living under a facade.

Take Itachi's twang out of your eyes and understand what is being said. Who is claiming that he was a diety? In the fictional world, there exists something called powers and abilities. Even Madara was still considered a human being, despite possessing God-like powers. :|

Wonderful language there. Don't get so frustrated over a small discussion like this. xD It's just a drawing, not real at all.

Your saying it's a fault that he couldn't stop catastrophes that were occurring far away when he and the rest of Akatsuki didn't know until they'd be over every time.

I think your misunderstood while writing the first sentence. :| What Shisui did was the best thing anyone could do. To stop a conflict by mere genjutsu and preventing the loss of any life. Although Danzo got in the way perhaps due to plot. However what Itachi did was purely atrocious. Killing other innocents including children, elderly and even his mother who were not even involved in the coup as a result of a handful with rebellious minds.

Dying and leaving a kid behind with a mess is not the "best thing".

He killed them physically, but metaphorically the sin lies with the Uchiha themselves and the Konoha echelons. They led it up to that point at which conflict and the clan being wiped out was inevitable.

The only innocents were children. Children that were going to be wiped out regardless of whether he took on the mission or not. Elders supporting a coup are not innocent. Nor is his mother who was the co-leader with her husband and a Jounin.

You don't even comprehend the coup situation. At least not from Itachi's side. The situation and results are immoral from the side of the Konoha echelons and the Uchiha adults only.

If you seem to be acknowledging Itachi for all of this, then I wonder how far you would go to slaughter your parents and children for some patriotic cause.

I would not at all. For any cause. Simply because this is the real world, not the Naruverse where children as young as 4 can pick up a killing occupation as the norm.

Itachi chose to kill the Uchiha himself to preserve their honour, prevent greater bloodshed, and to guarantee that the line would continue via Sasuke w/ the clan even receiving a form of justice. This is much more a "humane" cause in their world than it is a patriotic one.

You can sugar coat things how you want,

No sugar-coating being done here. Just stating facts the author allotted the audience with.

the truth is that Danzo was in control of the situation as he was ordering Itachi to go and slaughter his family along with his clan.

Exactly. A 13 yr old without political power was black-mailed. Glad you get this.

Itachi while revered as a prodigy, could not think for himself and just imprudently went along with the idea. In the end he surely failed and admitted it later on. U_U

Itachi being a prodigy is in reference to his quick ability to learn techniques as a shinobi. It's always been in reference to ability in this manga. Not to intellectual capacity or insight.

He did.

Like I already said, ninjas are capable of protecting one another with the powers that they are given. I don't see why this should be an excuse for a so-called prodigy like Itachi? :|

Perhaps because no character in this manga has been able to protect what was important to them 100% of the time.

I did not understand what you said at the end, except for "I have many faves- not just him."

Too bad.

You just admitted here what I said was true. :lol Also did you forget about Zetsu, the biggest spy in Akatsuki? :eww: I mean how do you think Itachi got information about the Invasion of Konoha and the death of 3rd Hokage in the first place then?

No, I did not. I just pointed out how that contradicted the rest of your post.

Yes. Zetsu gives them info after problems happen. Meaning, they aren't preventable since they already occurred.

Too much fanboyism in this post. :| You don't understand what I'm trying to get at here. Itachi was deemed a prodigy, and yet he was unofficially a huge failure in some of the characters who were given most screentime. It is this which makes him dislikable. I understand that all prodigies made mistakes, but not in the way that Itachi did. He was indeed made out to be perfect at everything during his youth, or atleast how Kishi portrayed him. But it's like I said and what you failed to understand, he had 3 things to protect and failed to protect all 3. U_U

He protected all 3 to varying degrees in his lifetime. I don't see clan honour, Konoha, or Sasuke dead anytime soon, either.

Just because Itachi isn't a Gary Stu doesn't mean he's unlikable. This is up to one's own interpretation, but I really liked it when Kishimoto revealed he had flaws just like everyone else even though he was talented. Succeeding at everything is cliche, boring, and redundant. Also unrealistic.

Not really, there are Madara and Obito who are also controversial characters I admire.

I don't consider them to be controversial, but those are good characters.(':

I want you to understand that I'm not hating on Itachi. I actually think he was a better character than someone like Sasuke, even if he failed. I just want people to understand and to stop overrating him and this is giving rise to a high level of trollery which isn;t good for health at all. Hope you understand and the same to you.

Okay. xD I was just defending a fave in this thread. The same way you defend Shisui (who was a nice character as well for the screen-time he got). People view characters differently, this isn't too much of a bad thing if someone defends him this way. The trolling comes from hype such as his spirit weapons and things like that. As for trolls, it's good for the laughs... when it's done right. xD Okay and thank you.