Why did Tobi kill Danzo instead of Itachi

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Good I got your attention, now I just want to state to all mods that this is not an identity of Tobi theory, this is a theory about Tobi failing to get EMS and Itachi, Danzo, and Shisui's role in this entire thing. Now I want to start with noting that there has been two times in the manga where Tobi has legitimately been pissed off:

-The first time was when Nagato betrayed him, although he had a backup plan for that
-The second time was when Danzo crushed Shisui's eye, he did not have a backup plan for that
What does that matter? It matters because it probably didn't take long for Tobi to figure out who had Shisui's eyes after the Uchiha massacre. He probably only helped with the massacre to get Shisui's eyes. Of course he probably found the mutilated, eyeless corpse of Shisui and figured it out from there. He figured out Danzo had the right eye, so it's only natural that he would assume Itachi had the left eye. I mean only five other people knew about the massacre, the Third Hokage, the two elders, Danzo, and Itachi. He should have known that the elders and the Third didn't have any reason to have that left eye, and by process of elimination he would know it's Itachi. Now why would he go for Danzo who was much more difficult to kill than Itachi?

Now I know Itachi fanboys will flame me out for saying that, but just think for a second. Danzo seemed like he didn't leave the village a lot, I highly doubt Hiruzen or Tsunade ever sent him on any missions. So trying to attack Danzo must have taken Tobi a while until he left the village, a.k.a. the Kage Summit. But why wait when he had at least 4 other people that would have helped him kill Itachi for Shisui's left eye much sooner?

-Deidara hated Itachi after he beat him the first time they met, Tobi should have known that Deidara would have happily helped him kill Itachi
-Tobi could have ordered Nagato to kill Itachi which would have been a lot easier than invading Konoha
-Konan would have followed Nagato
-Kisame may have respected Itachi and gotten along with him, but if Tobi had revealed his identity as the former Mizukage sooner and asked him to kill Itachi, he probably would have. And even if he disagreed, Tobi's crew still could have beaten the two of them

So that's four to five people who could have teamed up and killed Itachi. Sorry Itachi fanboys, he couldn't win that battle, even with Kisame. But this didn't happen, Tobi waited all that time just to kill Danzo. So why was Shisui's right eye more important than the left?

Here's what I think, we all know that Danzo had Shisui's ability of Kotoamatsukami. Danzo used this on Mifune during the Kage summit:
We also know that Tobi controlled the Fourth Mizukage. NOTE: On the first page here we only see one eye, the right eye. And Kisame confirms that he only sees one eye in the next panel. The second page is Tobi revealing himself to Kisame

This next two pages confirms that Kisame met the same person he met before in the previous two pages:
And this is the the most important piece to the puzzle. Here the Fifth Mizukage states that she can't help but believe that the technique Tobi used and the technique Danzo used are eerily similar:
And this is what I think it all means, I believe that Tobi's right eye belonged to a close relative of Shisui. That is why I think he has Kotoamatsukami in his right eye and why he clearly favored his right Sharingan over his left when he had it. If Tobi's right eye does belong to that close relative, then that is why he did not go after Itachi for Shisui's left eye, because Shisui's right eye was the key to Tobi getting EMS. Maybe he got the left eye after the Uchiha massacre. If his plan had worked, he would have had EMS for himself and Nagato would have had the Rinnegan. But Nagato betrayed him, so he planned on taking Nagato's left Rinnegan and having EMS in his right eye. But that also failed and now he is stuck with MS instead in his right eye instead. I know it's not confirmed that he has MS, but Itachi pointed out that you need at least MS to control a tailed beast.

What do you guys think of this?
 

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but sinchi eye never had Ms to start with?

i mean so wounlnt be having MS on 1 eye and 3 tomoe eye on the left?

i mean to get ems you need BOTH eyes
 

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but sinchi eye never had Ms to start with?

i mean so wounlnt be having MS on 1 eye and 3 tomoe eye on the left?

i mean to get ems you need BOTH eyes
Shisui had MS


Danzo just got his right MS and Itachi got his left. If Tobi has MS in his right eye that belonged to a close relative of Shisui, then in theory their MS's would make EMS. But Danzo destroyed Shisui's right MS preventing Tobi from getting EMS
 
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but i mean you need both eyes not one?
In theory one close relatives MS combined with another close relatives MS equals EMS. You do not need the the other MS, in this case Tobi didn't need the MS Itachi had, Shisui's left eye. He is only shown with one eye before the Uchiha massacre. So that is why Tobi didn't kill him for it
 

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I think Tobi forcing Konan to tell him where Nagato body was being held was obvious he knew how to control peoples minds. Also, I thought you had to be a blood relative to get the EMS.
 

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I think Tobi forcing Konan to tell him where Nagato body was being held was obvious he knew how to control peoples minds. Also, I thought you had to be a blood relative to get the EMS.
I don't know the chapter where Sasuke and Itachi had the conversation, but I was under the impression that you needed Uchiha blood to get EMS. So in theory you could take another uchiha's MS, then you combine it with their siblings MS, and you have EMS. Even though your not closely related to either of them. Also Tobi could possibly be that close relative, but who knows
 

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I think Tobi forcing Konan to tell him where Nagato body was being held was obvious he knew how to control peoples minds. Also, I thought you had to be a blood relative to get the EMS.
Here it is, Itachi only says you need to be a clansmen, so I think this means you just have to be an Uchiha in general. So the theory I stated above should work if you steal two MS from two related Uchiha and make an EMS for yourself even though you're not directly related to either of them

 

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This is a nice and well thought theory, my only guess of why he didn't kill itachi is because he was a useful pawn.
Thanks! But I still think that if Tobi really wanted an eye of Shisui that badly, he would have sacrificed Itachi being his pawn to get his left eye. But instead he waited for Danzo to leave the village and waited when he left the village with only a couple of guards. As you can see here when Danzo's attacking Nagato, he had his army guarding him since he left the village with Shisui's eye:


I believe that the right eye of Shisui was special to Tobi
 

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nice theory. although as itachi said that the transfer to ems can only be performed between clansmen, this doesnt really shed a light on tobi's identity. he could simply be an uchiha with a great eye who wants another superior ms eye to achieve ems (assuming the user's original sharingan powers are retained)
 

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Good I got your attention, now I just want to state to all mods that this is not an identity of Tobi theory, this is a theory about Tobi failing to get EMS and Itachi, Danzo, and Shisui's role in this entire thing. Now I want to start with noting that there has been two times in the manga where Tobi has legitimately been pissed off:

-The first time was when Nagato betrayed him, although he had a backup plan for that
-The second time was when Danzo crushed Shisui's eye, he did not have a backup plan for that
What does that matter? It matters because it probably didn't take long for Tobi to figure out who had Shisui's eyes after the Uchiha massacre. He probably only helped with the massacre to get Shisui's eyes. Of course he probably found the mutilated, eyeless corpse of Shisui and figured it out from there. He figured out Danzo had the right eye, so it's only natural that he would assume Itachi had the left eye. I mean only five other people knew about the massacre, the Third Hokage, the two elders, Danzo, and Itachi. He should have known that the elders and the Third didn't have any reason to have that left eye, and by process of elimination he would know it's Itachi. Now why would he go for Danzo who was much more difficult to kill than Itachi?

Now I know Itachi fanboys will flame me out for saying that, but just think for a second. Danzo seemed like he didn't leave the village a lot, I highly doubt Hiruzen or Tsunade ever sent him on any missions. So trying to attack Danzo must have taken Tobi a while until he left the village, a.k.a. the Kage Summit. But why wait when he had at least 4 other people that would have helped him kill Itachi for Shisui's left eye much sooner?

-Deidara hated Itachi after he beat him the first time they met, Tobi should have known that Deidara would have happily helped him kill Itachi
-Tobi could have ordered Nagato to kill Itachi which would have been a lot easier than invading Konoha
-Konan would have followed Nagato
-Kisame may have respected Itachi and gotten along with him, but if Tobi had revealed his identity as the former Mizukage sooner and asked him to kill Itachi, he probably would have. And even if he disagreed, Tobi's crew still could have beaten the two of them

So that's four to five people who could have teamed up and killed Itachi. Sorry Itachi fanboys, he couldn't win that battle, even with Kisame. But this didn't happen, Tobi waited all that time just to kill Danzo. So why was Shisui's right eye more important than the left?

Here's what I think, we all know that Danzo had Shisui's ability of Kotoamatsukami. Danzo used this on Mifune during the Kage summit:
We also know that Tobi controlled the Fourth Mizukage. NOTE: On the first page here we only see one eye, the right eye. And Kisame confirms that he only sees one eye in the next panel. The second page is Tobi revealing himself to Kisame

This next two pages confirms that Kisame met the same person he met before in the previous two pages:
And this is the the most important piece to the puzzle. Here the Fifth Mizukage states that she can't help but believe that the technique Tobi used and the technique Danzo used are eerily similar:
And this is what I think it all means, I believe that Tobi's right eye belonged to a close relative of Shisui. That is why I think he has Kotoamatsukami in his right eye and why he clearly favored his right Sharingan over his left when he had it. If Tobi's right eye does belong to that close relative, then that is why he did not go after Itachi for Shisui's left eye, because Shisui's right eye was the key to Tobi getting EMS. Maybe he got the left eye after the Uchiha massacre. If his plan had worked, he would have had EMS for himself and Nagato would have had the Rinnegan. But Nagato betrayed him, so he planned on taking Nagato's left Rinnegan and having EMS in his right eye. But that also failed and now he is stuck with MS instead in his right eye instead. I know it's not confirmed that he has MS, but Itachi pointed out that you need at least MS to control a tailed beast.

What do you guys think of this?
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nice theory. although as itachi said that the transfer to ems can only be performed between clansmen, this doesnt really shed a light on tobi's identity. he could simply be an uchiha with a great eye who wants another superior ms eye to achieve ems (assuming the user's original sharingan powers are retained)
Thx! Although I want to note I didn't want to make this thread about Tobi's identity. If I had done that the mods would have thrown it in the Tobi identity theory thread where it would have been lost forever. Since it wasn't directly about his identity they left it alone, and I thank them for that :izuna:

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Lol I was hoping someone would say that, thx man
 
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