Why did Obito/Tobi to The Fourth Hokage?

Joten Uchiha

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I had this thought a while back but never bothered to post a thread on it, Does anyone else feel like Obito should have won that battle? I know what you're thinking and no i'm not underestimating Minato's power at all, i fully understand that he was a very powerful Shinobi and considered a once in a life time prodigy by Jiraiya, nor am i saying that Obito cant be Tobi (I was actually one of the people saying Obito was Tobi from the start) it all still seems really suspect to me. Let's look at this with an open mind for a second..


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We see here in Manga chapter 599 after arriving late for academy entry Obito was handed his orientation documents by Rin, it states that he then went on to graduate from the academy at age 9 and was then assigned to be part of a 3 man squad alongside Kakashi and Rin under the Guidance of Minato..


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We then see that after failing twice Obito finally passed the Chunin exams and graduates at the age of 11 (as stated on Narutopedia) making him a student of Minato's for just over two years..

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Finally we see here in Manga chapter 293 that Kakashi has just been made a Jounin and Team Minato are about to set off on a mission to destroy Kannabi Bridge..


On Narutopedia it states that Obito was age 13 at the time of his supposed demise during Kakashi Gaiden arc meaning that we can safely assume Obito had spent 4 years as a student of Minato's, my question is that surely as an ex student of The fourth Hokage's having studied under him for just over four years, Obito had enough time to at the very least have the faintest insight into his Sensei's techniques? weaknesses and flaws, how to counter his speed etc.. Think about this way, Naruto spent 3years under Jiraiyas tutor-ledge and knew his Sensei's biggest weakness was his in ability to not perve over beautiful women, He even used it to his advantage to defeat him at one point during the anime, granted it wasn't serious.

I just feel like Obito being a cautious person having prepared for his battle with Minato should have had the means to at the very least injure him rather than defeat Minato, you don't spend four years training with someone without seeing all the flaws and weaknesses their jutsu can possess, i feel at though the way that battle ended (with Obito losing an arm + control of the Kyubi and having to retreat) is unrealistic when you put all the facts together and really think about, maybe he just didn't prepare well enough, i don't know.

Anyway i'd love hear you guys views on this, please keep an open mind!
 

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If obito won that battle then the plot would be ruined...
 

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you can lose focus in the battle when you see an opening for a killing move,that's what happened to him.
he was so sure of winning when he saw he can touch minato before his rasengan hit him,he thought it was his moment,in the heat of the moment he forgot about the flying kunai over his head,and that's why he lost
 

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Obito never fully understood the extent of his sensei's powers since Kakashi would have been the one to always go all out against Minato.

Besides, Obito was just a kid in a zetsu clone when he fought Minato...
 

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The plot needed Obito to lose, and that's what happened
 

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Seriously I thought Tobi looked and sounded at least like a 20 year old. I would never have expected Obito to be 15, but yeah mostly because he underestimated Minato and payed the price for such
 

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he must have underestimated minato or it's not only he was fighting minato...he was controlling kyubi too! You know it's not that easy to control a tailed beast and fighting with a kage at the same time.
 

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Seriously I thought Tobi looked and sounded at least like a 20 year old. I would never have expected Obito to be 15, but yeah mostly because he underestimated Minato and payed the price for such

Well he looked that way, since he was wearing a zetsu exo-suit.

We know this because against Minato, his left hand was shown ripping off, whereas we know that only Obito's right hand got crushed and was replaced.

So he must have been wearing the suit at the time, and therefore was taller.

As for his voice, it's easy to change the way you talk.
 

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Obito at that time simply didnt have the ability to defeat Minato
-Minato st was the perfect counter to beat him
Kamui was basically the only thing Obito could use back then
 

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I disagree with you. Just because they trained together for 4 years doesnt mean obito even saw minato use FTG. The only time obito probally saw minato use FTG was when minato saved kakashi in the bridge mission. And even IF obito had seen minato's tech, its very unlikely that he would know how the jutsu even worked.. All he would see is his sensei teleporting places, but i doubt he would make the connection that it was related to special marked kunai.. Obito wasnt even someone to pay attentionn to much of anything during his childhood, so it's actually very usual that he lost to his sensei.
 

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Minato surprised tobi with hiraishin lvl 2, he prob only knew of his lvl 1 abilities
 
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Obito never fully understood the extent of his sensei's powers since Kakashi would have been the one to always go all out against Minato.

Besides, Obito was just a kid in a zetsu clone when he fought Minato...

and yet the uchih black sheep was so strong that even 4th hokage was no match against him and remember he was using a single sharingan and fighting the entire hidden leaf
 
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