Why did Frieza have to be so dang strong?

[Floydical]

Frieza might have become fodder after the android saga, but before that point, he was countless times stronger than every other feasible villain.

Take Captain Ginyu for instance. His power level peaked out at 120,000. We know for a fact Frieza's power capped at 120,000,000. That literally makes Frieza 1000x times stronger than his next closest subordinate. Why the hell did he have to be so much stronger than everyone else? Akira could have easily gotten away with Frieza capping out at 12,000,000 or even as little as 1.2 million. I mean if he's 10x stronger than Captain Ginyu that's still a crazy amount higher.

Why complicate the story with these ridiculous, even unexplainable, Zenkais? Goku jumps from a base power of 90k (180k KKx2) to wipe the floor with all the Ginyu to 3 million base before he fights Frieza. The only reason we even know this is because we knew he achieved 150,000,000 fighting Frieza and SSJ1 is 50x base. But why bother? He could have dropped this boost to 300,000 without a problems and simply made Goku and Frieza 15,000,000 and 12,000,000 respectively. After the Frieza saga, he could have just nerfed new villains respectively.

Why all the complication? Why would you have to make SSJ1 50x stronger? Why not restrict it to 10x stronger? Does it really matter? Other than Frieza's race (and whatever Whiss and Beerus are) there was no race around that could compete with Frieza. Again, why was there a need to make him so insanely stronger than everyone else?

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Who cares about the numbers honestly.
After the Frieza saga ranking characters by numbers stopped, if you're stronger than someone and you can tell is what matters now.

 

[jonnieboi05]

This thread is stupid. As the guy above me stated, numbers stopped being a factor during Frieza saga. Why can't you just appreciate the show for what it is and not let something soooooo very freaking insignificant bother you?

You have issues. :\

 

[A$AP Wap]

This thread is stupid. As the guy above me stated, numbers stopped being a factor during Frieza saga. Why can't you just appreciate the show for what it is and not let something soooooo very freaking insignificant bother you?

You have issues. :\

Cuz numbers help ppl understand power levels better

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The whole point of power levels was to be pointless. They were introduced so the bad guys would underestimate the good guys and get their asses kicked.

That becomes meaningless since the good guys could all sense energy making power levels and scouters and sh*t irrelevant in the first place.

 

[Floydical]

Who cares about the numbers honestly.
After the Frieza saga ranking characters by numbers stopped, if you're stronger than someone and you can tell is what matters now.

I know it doesn't matter but the fact that he introduced the powerlevels like that is strange considering how many complications it added. Why not just keep the numbers simpler rather than letting it fester so many inconsistencies?

This thread is stupid. As the guy above me stated, numbers stopped being a factor during Frieza saga. Why can't you just appreciate the show for what it is and not let something soooooo very freaking insignificant bother you?

You have issues. :\

Because he made the numbers the issue in the first place. He could have avoided the powerlevels from the start rather than making them so important in the early stages of the manga. It simply created more inconsistencies then anything.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

I know it doesn't matter but the fact that he introduced the powerlevels like that is strange considering how many complications it added. Why not just keep the numbers simpler rather than letting it fester so many inconsistencies?



Because he made the numbers the issue in the first place. He could have avoided the powerlevels from the start rather than making them so important in the early stages of the manga. It simply created more inconsistencies then anything.

Why would you stick with low numbers when the powers of these beings exceed the ability to scale them.
Unless you want to end up having to use moles to see how much power they have?
No, it didn't create inconsistencies because they are not used or matter anymore.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Take Captain Ginyu for instance. His power level peaked out at 120,000. We know for a fact Frieza's power capped at 120,000,000. That literally makes Frieza 1000x times stronger than his next closest subordinate. Why the hell did he have to be so much stronger than everyone else? Akira could have easily gotten away with Frieza capping out at 12,000,000 or even as little as 1.2 million. I mean if he's 10x stronger than Captain Ginyu that's still a crazy amount higher.

I 100% agree.

Why complicate the story with these ridiculous, even unexplainable, Zenkais? Goku jumps from a base power of 90k (180k KKx2) to wipe the floor with all the Ginyu to 3 million base before he fights Frieza. The only reason we even know this is because we knew he achieved 150,000,000 fighting Frieza and SSJ1 is 50x base. But why bother? He could have dropped this boost to 300,000 without a problems and simply made Goku and Frieza 15,000,000 and 12,000,000 respectively. After the Frieza saga, he could have just nerfed new villains respectively.

Again I agree. Toriyama also messed by how much zenkai increase powers.

Vegeta had power level around 18.000 in Saiyan Saga. He had one zenkai and in Namek durign his fight against Cui his power was around 25.000. It means he increased his PL by 7.000. That's nearly half of 18.000. And let's say that zenkai always add half of the power to previous PL, tho I am obviously generous here.
Vegeta after fight with Zarbon had another Zankai. But even with it he lost badly to Recoome. Recoome by my estimation shouldn't have PL a lot more than 40.000.

Which mean Vegata's PL is lower than 40.000, and assuming Zenkai increase power by half of previous PL, his powers should be around 35.000.

That's all okay, but how did his powers jumped from 35.000 (vs Recoome) to 250.000. That's PL he had against Frieza in databook. How did his powers jumped over 7 times?

Why all the complication? Why would you have to make SSJ1 50x stronger? Why not restrict it to 10x stronger?

While I agree that 50x is alot. 10x is not possible, because Oozaru transformation increase powers that much.

Does it really matter? Other than Frieza's race (and whatever Whiss and Beerus are) there was no race around that could compete with Frieza.

You are wrong on this one. There doesn't really exist Frieza's race. Frieza is mutant/hybrid and that's why he is soo strong.

Look at how strong Gohan (hybrid) was. PL of 710 at age of 4 withtout training.

 

[Floydical]

That's all okay, but how did his powers jumped from 35.000 (vs Recoome) to 250.000. That's PL he had against Frieza in databook. How did his powers jumped over 7 times?


While I agree that 50x is alot. 10x is not possible, because Oozaru transformation increase powers that much.


You are wrong on this one. There doesn't really exist Frieza's race. Frieza is mutant/hybrid and that's why he is soo strong.

Look at how strong Gohan (hybrid) was. PL of 710 at age of 4 withtout training.

Exactly. Akira could have easily revamped Frieza's power (either his theoretical maximum or his scaling when powering up) to avoid an inconsistency such as Vegeta's 250,000.

The bit about changing the SSJ1 multiplier is the same idea, he could have shrunk Goku's base power when fighting Frieza, squish the SSJ1 powerup, or alter both.

That's good to know about Frieza. I only assumed he was a normal part of a race because of his father. It makes more sense, however, if he was a mutant of some kind.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

That's good to know about Frieza. I only assumed he was a normal part of a race because of his father. It makes more sense, however, if he was a mutant of some kind.

Well, his father was also mutant. Actually everyone in Planet Trade Organization whose PL is above 10.000 is mutant (excluding Saiyans), but there were just a couple of Saiyans with PL over 10.000 (King Vegeta, Vegeta and Bardock).

Here is what Toriyama said about Frieza and King Cold in interview:

About how many of Freeza’s race are there? Are they quite thriving, with a big population?

Freeza is what you might call a mutated life-form. Strictly speaking, Freeza’s father is a mutant with an abnormally high battle power. And, born from his father alone, still in strong possession of the mutant traits, was Freeza.
Accordingly, even saying “Freeza’s race”, these two are the only ones who possess an abnormal [level of] battle power and cruelty.

Ginyu by some translation refer to Ginyu force as also mutans, by some other translation he say every higher officier in Planet Trade Organization are mutants. So, either way it's sure that Ginyu force are mutants (which explain why they were so strong). Zarbon, Dodoria and Cui are likely mutants as well. After all we never saw someone in PTO who looks like them, to say that they are from same race (outside of fillers).

 

[Floydical]

Well, his father was also mutant. Actually everyone in Planet Trade Organization whose PL is above 10.000 is mutant (excluding Saiyans), but there were just a couple of Saiyans with PL over 10.000 (King Vegeta, Vegeta and Bardock).

Here is what Toriyama said about Frieza and King Cold in interview:

About how many of Freeza’s race are there? Are they quite thriving, with a big population?

Freeza is what you might call a mutated life-form. Strictly speaking, Freeza’s father is a mutant with an abnormally high battle power. And, born from his father alone, still in strong possession of the mutant traits, was Freeza.
Accordingly, even saying “Freeza’s race”, these two are the only ones who possess an abnormal [level of] battle power and cruelty.

Ginyu by some translation refer to Ginyu force as also mutans, by some other translation he say every higher officier in Planet Trade Organization are mutants. So, either way it's sure that Ginyu force are mutants (which explain why they were so strong). Zarbon, Dodoria and Cui are likely mutants as well. After all we never saw someone in PTO who looks like them, to say that they are from same race (outside of fillers).

That makes a great deal of sense, thanks for all the info and the effort.