[Discussion] Why can't we respect the President?

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I definitely never said the majority of negative things said about him are not his fault or not true. It's simply a lot of the negative things are exacerbated by his political 'enemies' if you will. Think about about how hard people are going on me in this thread simply for suggesting we respect the office of the President and not the man.



Not in the slightest.




If you disrespect the flag I think you are a son of a *****. 100% your right to do and 100% my right to call you that. Simple and plain. That's how that works.

Were those players disrespecting the flag? Nope. President Trump doesn't care about the message of those players. He's already in 're-elect' me mode, as most presidents are by now. Why do I bring this up? Because a huge majority of his base genuinely care about that flag. If he can take away from the players' message and use their protest to make himself look good in front of his base it helps him in the long run. The longer they protest the more it helps him.


I do agree that calling neo-nazis very fine people was just stupid and hateful. That's what happens when a sub-par President speaks off the cuff. Along with a bunch of other examples.

These are not enough for me to deem him 'unworthy' of a chance at being president. This isn't going to make me hate every single thing he does even if I agree with it. Is there more of him being hateful besides his failed attempt at uniting the country after Charlottesville?



I think you're reading all of this wrong. Try reading through it one more good time without your hate towards President Trump and your apparent dislike for me.

I don't know what it is, but when you put President Trump in a sentence people freak the hell out and automatically call you a supporter of him and suddenly their comprehension skills drop below his. It's mystical indeed.

Trump is the holder of the position and why would you respect someone whose adamantly and unabashfully disrespectful to you.

Anyone's that is getting on you in this thread is so because in my opinion your request seems rudiculous.

For example Trump willfully twists the message of those who kneel in the nfl and polarize people with no reel master plan just to rile certain people in underhanded ways into his corner trying to appeal to the worst side of the right like he's been doing even before he's been campaigning.

From what I think I'm understanding from your post your pointing out certain instances you perceive people being unfair to Trump and people blindly jumping on the hate wagon. And again that happens on occassion but for one I've realized the right especially doesn't care about truth of the one lie told about Trump they ignore the other 9.

Dave chappelle in his monolague on snl with Trump winning saud let's give Trump a chance and pleaded to Trump to give us a chance save retracted saying sorry when it's clear trumps not trying to do that and daves one of the most fair guys out there.

Trumps been taking advantage of this toxic bipartisan culture where citizen is pitted against citizen and trumps been disgustingly divisive and more so on to the world stage he's shown to be blundering fool whose in it for the show. I can't tell he loves being in the headlines and to him there's no bad publicity because his tribalistic supporters will support any b.s. he does even at the expense of themselves
 

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Type his name in along with insult and you will get plenty.
This is not a dictatorship so the people can criticize him (as they very well should since he hasn't gotten ANYTHING done) and shows general incompetence.
 

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**** no he's a fool. And is incompetent to do his job
Fair. Do you agree with the constant hate he gets no matter what he does?

Trump is the holder of the position and why would you respect someone whose adamantly and unabashfully disrespectful to you.

Respect his position. He didn't get there by accident. There are obviously millions of people that wanted him there and still do. Respect. The. Process.

Anyone's that is getting on you in this thread is so because in my opinion your request seems rudiculous.

How is giving the President the respect his position demands ridiculous? Especially when you slam the person that fills it from the very first day in office and on(Not you specifically).

I just wrote out a mad elaborate analogy comparing the country to an office building to help you understand why doing what people are doing to President Trump is pretty beat and hasn't really been done to a President(President Obama got it in a different way). Yes he has said some questionable things. Some hateful things. However, before he said some of those things he was getting hated on. At this point I think he's just saying screw everyone else. His base will ride and die with him and that's pretty much all he needs.

For example Trump willfully twists the message of those who kneel in the nfl and polarize people with no reel master plan just to rile certain people in underhanded ways into his corner trying to appeal to the worst side of the right like he's been doing even before he's been campaigning.

Which is why he won. If it ain't broke don't fix it. He played the republicans and democrats. He exposed them. People are just too daft to realize it. I'll put you on game if you want me to.

From what I think I'm understanding from your post your pointing out certain instances you perceive people being unfair to Trump and people blindly jumping on the hate wagon. And again that happens on occassion but for one I've realized the right especially doesn't care about truth of the one lie told about Trump they ignore the other 9.

On occasion? It happened the instant he won the vote. Like literally that same night. Also, please stop saying the right doesn't care about what President Trump says. They literally do. They are pissed off at him as well. However, the left is constantly calling them racists and whining and blaming them for everything. That is literally why a lot of people that are closer to the middle on the political spectrum voted for trump. That is literally why he won the election. People are fed up being called racists, bigots, sexists, etc for things that they haven't done.

Do you think all of these people in the mid west are voting for Hillary while she's calling them sexist or racist? I'm stationed here and I talk to them. A lot of them have very liberal positions and some conservative and under normal circumstances they would've voted for Hillary.

Dave chappelle in his monolague on snl with Trump winning saud let's give Trump a chance and pleaded to Trump to give us a chance save retracted saying sorry when it's clear trumps not trying to do that and daves one of the most fair guys out there.

Dave is the most fair guy out their huh? Better listen to Dave :lol.
Trumps been taking advantage of this toxic bipartisan culture where citizen is pitted against citizen and trumps been disgustingly divisive and more so on to the world stage he's shown to be blundering fool whose in it for the show. I can't tell he loves being in the headlines and to him there's no bad publicity because his tribalistic supporters will support any b.s. he does even at the expense of themselves

This country was citizen vs citizen long before President Trump. The big companies of the US took over a long time ago. They essentially run congress and pick the President. It's quite sad.

This also was ironic. All parties are tribal by nature. You're not supposed to be a republican or democrat. That's where our country took a turn for the absolute worst. When we decided that you HAVE to pick a side. I'm very liberal in some things and very conservative on others. I can't call myself a republican or democrat.

I don't co-sign either party because of how divisive it is. I'm just an American. Just like I didn't vote in this past election(Because our election system is flawed), I will likely not vote again.
 
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I think you're reading all of this wrong. Try reading through it one more good time without your hate towards President Trump and your apparent dislike for me.

I don't know what it is, but when you put President Trump in a sentence people freak the hell out and automatically call you a supporter of him and suddenly their comprehension skills drop below his. It's mystical indeed.

No I read it quite fine, and the fact that u missed the underlying irony of your statement mean chances are i understood what you wrote better than you did when you wrote it. Give it a once over and realize your foolishness.
 

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Fair. Do you agree with the constant hate he gets no matter what he does?



Respect his position. He didn't get there by accident. There are obviously millions of people that wanted him there and still do. Respect. The. Process.



How is giving the President the respect his position demands ridiculous? Especially when you slam the person that fills it from the very first day in office and on(Not you specifically).

I just wrote out a mad elaborate analogy comparing the country to an office building to help you understand why doing what people are doing to President Trump is pretty beat and hasn't really been done to a President(President Obama got it in a different way). Yes he has said some questionable things. Some hateful things. However, before he said some of those things he was getting hated on. At this point I think he's just saying screw everyone else. His base will ride and die with him and that's pretty much all he needs.



Which is why he won. If it ain't broke don't fix it. He played the republicans and democrats. He exposed them. People are just too daft to realize it. I'll put you on game if you want me to.



On occasion? It happened the instant he won the vote. Like literally that same night. Also, please stop saying the right doesn't care about what President Trump says. They literally do. They are pissed off at him as well. However, the left is constantly calling them racists and whining and blaming them for everything. That is literally why a lot of people that are closer to the middle on the political spectrum voted for trump. That is literally why he won the election. People are fed up being called racists, bigots, sexists, etc for things that they haven't done.

Do you think all of these people in the mid west are voting for Hillary while she's calling them sexist or racist? I'm stationed here and I talk to them. A lot of them have very liberal positions and some conservative and under normal circumstances they would've voted for Hillary.



Dave is the most fair guy out their huh? Better listen to Dave :lol.


This country was citizen vs citizen long before President Trump. The big companies of the US took over a long time ago. They essentially run congress and pick the President. It's quite sad.

This also was ironic. All parties are tribal by nature. You're not supposed to be a republican or democrat. That's where our country took a turn for the absolute worst. When we decided that you HAVE to pick a side. I'm very liberal in some things and very conservative on others. I can't call myself a republican or democrat.

I don't co-sign either party because of how divisive it is. I'm just an American. Just like I didn't vote in this past election(Because our election system is flawed), I will likely not vote again.


Fair. Do you agree with the constant hate he gets no matter what he does?

No I don't because I feel like even he did something good people would still find something bad about it to bi*ch about. But he's done nothing good and with being in high position of power people are always going to do that with the bad comes the good and vice versa but he doesn't handle it well he wants to take his ball and run to Twitter with it. And maybe when he does start doing good at his job along with with him ignoring all the hate he gets to focus on being the president. people will lay off on him a little bit it won't happen because he isn't he's to self centered and would rather fight with people like "rocket man" and the NFL and the mayor of a savage AMERICAN territory. The only way people will be happy is if he gets impeached that would be the best move he could make that will make people hate him less. We have a person of power just egging on a Third World War. I'm 22 and grew up in a very mixed racial area. And I feel like all the people around me my whole life were and still are moving the world to become equal and he's doing the opposite he's dividing the country. Unfortunately I know that every person in the world will never except everyone else as a human just another human, race religion gender whatever it may be aside. And honestly hearing about him everyday is exhausting he says something new to contradict himself it's really sad and laughable there is a tweet for everything. And people will say your misinformed you don't know this or that. But unfortunately there's already so much about the government the whole country will never know. I personally don't agree with the way our country is governed it will always be spilt into two republicans and democrats. But I don't have the answer and giving up isn't the answer either. The only way out of it is too each the next generation and keep on moving

And I hope if any good comes out of this. It will be that no one like him gets elected again this need to be learning lesson for everyone.

And if you do condone him I would honestly like hear your opinions what to you makes him a good president I'm all ears and don't want to argue just curious because like I said he's exhausting maybe It could change my mind a little because most topics surrounding him are your wrong I'm right back and forth and neither person will bend
 

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You're an idiot if you compare the other presidents with Trump. Trump is a person of poor character.

You've GOT to be delusional to not understand the difference between trump and all the other more recent presidents. Come on, now.Why would I sit here, and explain something to you that's been said, over and over. You're so delusional. Stop comparing trump to any other president, because he's under qualified.Stop force feeding us with the trump wank threads.No one cares for him like that.He's not some amazing person.

BS, quit whining and making personal insertions about edgy, cool, and blah blah blah.Those are incredibly unnecessary jealous remarks you made. You're such an imaginative person. And you're obsessed with MEN and their egos.

Something is severly wrong with you...if you can't UNDERSTAND the difference between trump and recent presidents before him. You've got to be delusional.

Stop being a schmoozing brown noser towards trump. It's like you want his d*ck or something.

most previous presidents before trump are neo con/lib scum
 

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People have to earn respect, it's earned not given, and when people demand it they are never worthy of it.

Also i disagree that the American president is the most powerful person in the world.
 

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No I read it quite fine, and the fact that u missed the underlying irony of your statement mean chances are i understood what you wrote better than you did when you wrote it. Give it a once over and realize your foolishness.

Expose the irony then. I'm sure you'll realize there was no irony and you are not reading the situation correctly.

Fair. Do you agree with the constant hate he gets no matter what he does?

No I don't because I feel like even he did something good people would still find something bad about it to bi*ch about. But he's done nothing good and with being in high position of power people are always going to do that with the bad comes the good and vice versa but he doesn't handle it well he wants to take his ball and run to Twitter with it. And maybe when he does start doing good at his job along with with him ignoring all the hate he gets to focus on being the president. people will lay off on him a little bit it won't happen because he isn't he's to self centered and would rather fight with people like "rocket man" and the NFL and the mayor of a savage AMERICAN territory. The only way people will be happy is if he gets impeached that would be the best move he could make that will make people hate him less. We have a person of power just egging on a Third World War. I'm 22 and grew up in a very mixed racial area. And I feel like all the people around me my whole life were and still are moving the world to become equal and he's doing the opposite he's dividing the country. Unfortunately I know that every person in the world will never except everyone else as a human just another human, race religion gender whatever it may be aside. And honestly hearing about him everyday is exhausting he says something new to contradict himself it's really sad and laughable there is a tweet for everything. And people will say your misinformed you don't know this or that. But unfortunately there's already so much about the government the whole country will never know. I personally don't agree with the way our country is governed it will always be spilt into two republicans and democrats. But I don't have the answer and giving up isn't the answer either. The only way out of it is too each the next generation and keep on moving

And I hope if any good comes out of this. It will be that no one like him gets elected again this need to be learning lesson for everyone.

And if you do condone him I would honestly like hear your opinions what to you makes him a good president I'm all ears and don't want to argue just curious because like I said he's exhausting maybe It could change my mind a little because most topics surrounding him are your wrong I'm right back and forth and neither person will bend

I actually agree with a lot of what you said. The problem is that people are taking my initial statement of, "Respect his position..." and twisting that into what they want to hear. That is literally the issue I'm showing and people are failing to realize that. People will attack me for something they think I said, rather than reading what I wrote and addressing it in a logical and understanding way like you and a few others in the thread have.

I never said I thought President Trump is good president. In fact in this thread alone I have stated he is sub-par at best. However, people see and hear what they want because his name is attached. I asked why he was not even given the slightest bit of a chance as the President. Sure he is divisive and not a strong leader. However, we have at the minimum 3 more years with him(likely 7 because he will probably be re-elected). Why sit here and try to find reasons why he's a bad president and just let him be. Trust me, he will show why he is not a good president. He doesn't need the media or anyone else constantly twisting his words or expressing their disdain.

Now I'm not saying don't express your opinion. Express your opinion all you want. However, when you are calling him the worst president ever in the first 6 months don't we see a problem? Again, he is divisive and sometimes hateful but very far from the worst president. Let him build or destroy his own legacy. If he steps out bounds I promise you they will get him out of there.
 
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For many, this has escalated past left/right wing politics. When I shit-talk Trump, I denounce a cartoon character- not a set of beliefs.
 

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I can post plenty more if that's what you're asking? But I already obliged you with one instance of him saying something "hateful."

Him being ignorant of the message only proves why people hate him. He only cares about himself and his popularity. Being ignorant is not an excuse.

But if you're asking for something more tangible, well what about his lack of action to give proper aid to Puerto Rico after the devastating hurricane?

At this point, if you have to prove anything else...he's simply just in denial. I don't see what the problem is.

He's just a pompous self-entitled trump supporter.For no real reason.And he's certainly a brown-noser...and he notices trump is a brown noser too.

Honestly, I think he just wants to draw attention to himself.He has to know what the problem is. He's got to be delusional. I'm incredibly convinced.

And trump...clearly doesn't respect us. So he needs to stop wanking trump just cause he's in "higher" position. They put one of the most selfish presidents in office, all because of those who lack foresight.Really reflects what's going on with most americans.

I feel like he knows what's going on, don't know why he's playing dumb. He's got to be an attention seeker...he knows exactly what he's doing, and he can't convince us.
 
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Why can't we do such a simple thing? You don't have to respect Donald Trump as a man, however respect his position as the most powerful man in the world. You might say he says hateful things but I can't think of any specific times where President Trump has said something hateful. If you have examples, hook me up.

As far as his policy. He hasn't even been elected for a full year. Let the man do some things and if you still don't like him then express dislike(notice I did not say hate). The reason the democrats lost the presidential election is because everyone is so tired of the constant whining. The reason the democrats will lose the next election is because they have been whining since Presidents' inauguration. If you would like me to elaborate I will.

The extreme amounts of disrespect to this current president is not quite what President Obama received, but it's almost that level. President Obama and his wife were likened to monkeys constantly. His legitimacy as an American was brought into question over and over for a reason that is obvious. President Trump has been attacked to no end by the far left simply because they don't like his words. It's truly sad. Does he bring some of the 'hate' onto himself? Of course he does. However, hating everything he does, making false news articles, and overall just lying about the things he says or does is just wrong to do to anyone. If you can't see that you are part of the problem. You are the reason why 'liberals' are seen as whining softies.

If you think I've missed something or am wrong on some account, by all means let me know.

The position of president and the person who holds that position is a two-way street. They influence one another. Even a bad president deserves respect for the position he holds and a good president just makes the position that much more respectable, but the other way around is also very well true: if you have a president that's making a complete mockery of the entire presidential institute, well then the position becomes a joke likewise and that's what Trump is doing right now. He lacks almost all the qualities a president should have and has way too much he shouldn't have. He is simply not "presidential" and if you accept that someone like that is a genuine president, you make it that much worse because you are accepting something that should have never occurred as "normal", which is a frightening thought.

It's disturbing how much all the parodies that have been made about him seem to be barely different than the actual reality.

And dude, seriously? He has made so many offensive and disrespectful comments that the only reason we forget about them, is because the next one immediately overshadows the previous one before we can take in the gravity of what he said earlier. If any other politician would have said even one thing of the many things that came out of Trump's mouth, his career would have been finished, but Trump seems to be thriving on it.

His term lasts only 4 years, so there really isn't much time here to be taking things slow and we are at the stage he should be starting to show some results. And the democrats didn't lose the election because they whine. All politicians whine. The reason Trump won was because he was not from the establishment. Officially he's a republican, but it's a public secret his own party isn't too fond of him either. Both the democrats and the republicans screwed up big time during this election and made the exact same mistakes. So unless they are really that stupid to not learn from their own mistakes, the situation should be quite different during the next elections. Not in the least because I wouldn't be surprised if Trump himself wouldn't want to go for a second term purely because he got sick of it all.

I don't get where this confidence of yours comes from about him winning the next election, but he lost the popular vote with a huge margin from Clinton. The only reason he won was because of an outdated electoral system he promised he would change, which hasn't happened as far as I know. He has no reserves whatsoever, so if Trump doesn't yield any noteworthy results, he's kinda screwed as people who voted against him are seriously not suddenly going to vote for him. So if people who originally voted for him because he was different, but it didn't change a thing, well it's questionable how many of them would be able to take another 4 years of that circus.

And Obama wasn't ridiculed. I don't even get where you got that. Yes every president is mocked to a certain degree. Republicans and democrats continuously mock the other parties' president, but overall seen Obama was perceived as a well-educated, well-spoken, idealistic and charismatic president. Someone who personified the virtues of a true president even if you didn't agree with the things he said or did. Trump on the other hand is a complete caricature. You don't even need to put much effort into mocking him as just watching him being himself is like watching some presidential reality TV equivalent of the Kardashians. And if you want fake news, you don't even have to bother to create fake news about him as you just need to wait till he opens his mouth again or sends a twitter message. The chances you can find some random BS in there are quite high.

Frankly the way how you are perceiving this is highly disturbing as it seems you have accepted Trump's erratic, irrational and irresponsible way of saying and doing things as something that's more or less normal and that it's how people react on it is out of the ordinary. It's the other way around.
 

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The position of president and the person who holds that position is a two-way street. They influence one another. Even a bad president deserves respect for the position he holds and a good president just makes the position that much more respectable, but the other way around is also very well true: if you have a president that's making a complete mockery of the entire presidential institute, well then the position becomes a joke likewise and that's what Trump is doing right now. He lacks almost all the qualities a president should have and has way too much he shouldn't have. He is simply not "presidential" and if you accept that someone like that is a genuine president, you make it that much worse because you are accepting something that should have never occurred as "normal", which is a frightening thought.

It's disturbing how much all the parodies that have been made about him seem to be barely different than the actual reality.

And dude, seriously? He has made so many offensive and disrespectful comments that the only reason we forget about them, is because the next one immediately overshadows the previous one before we can take in the gravity of what he said earlier. If any other politician would have said even one thing of the many things that came out of Trump's mouth, his career would have been finished, but Trump seems to be thriving on it.

His term lasts only 4 years, so there really isn't much time here to be taking things slow and we are at the stage he should be starting to show some results. And the democrats didn't lose the election because they whine. All politicians whine. The reason Trump won was because he was not from the establishment. Officially he's a republican, but it's a public secret his own party isn't too fond of him either. Both the democrats and the republicans screwed up big time during this election and made the exact same mistakes. So unless they are really that stupid to not learn from their own mistakes, the situation should be quite different during the next elections. Not in the least because I wouldn't be surprised if Trump himself wouldn't want to go for a second term purely because he got sick of it all.

I don't get where this confidence of yours comes from about him winning the next election, but he lost the popular vote with a huge margin from Clinton. The only reason he won was because of an outdated electoral system he promised he would change, which hasn't happened as far as I know. He has no reserves whatsoever, so if Trump doesn't yield any noteworthy results, he's kinda screwed as people who voted against him are seriously not suddenly going to vote for him. So if people who originally voted for him because he was different, but it didn't change a thing, well it's questionable how many of them would be able to take another 4 years of that circus.

And Obama wasn't ridiculed. I don't even get where you got that. Yes every president is mocked to a certain degree. Republicans and democrats continuously mock the other parties' president, but overall seen Obama was perceived as a well-educated, well-spoken, idealistic and charismatic president. Someone who personified the virtues of a true president even if you didn't agree with the things he said or did. Trump on the other hand is a complete caricature. You don't even need to put much effort into mocking him as just watching him being himself is like watching some presidential reality TV equivalent of the Kardashians. And if you want fake news, you don't even have to bother to create fake news about him as you just need to wait till he opens his mouth again or sends a twitter message. The chances you can find some random BS in there are quite high.

Frankly the way how you are perceiving this is highly disturbing as it seems you have accepted Trump's erratic, irrational and irresponsible way of saying and doing things as something that's more or less normal and that it's how people react on it is out of the ordinary. It's the other way around.

He knows this.He knows what he's doing, and he's incredibly boastful about it.

Donald trump becoming president for luxury purposes, was HIM over-stepping his boundaries, from the very start.

He's crossed the line, and entered something that isn't his place.The world is just his playground.This world isn't his, it doesn't belong to him.

"don't do anything too crazy" is all i got to say...
 
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Em went ham on him last night on the BET Awards. **** Donald Trump.
[video=youtube_share;LunHybOKIjU]https://youtu.be/LunHybOKIjU[/video]
 

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Expose the irony then. I'm sure you'll realize there was no irony and you are not reading the situation correctly.

I actually agree with a lot of what you said. The problem is that people are taking my initial statement of, "Respect his position..." and twisting that into what they want to hear. That is literally the issue I'm showing and people are failing to realize that. People will attack me for something they think I said, rather than reading what I wrote and addressing it in a logical and understanding way like you and a few others in the thread have.

I never said I thought President Trump is good president. In fact in this thread alone I have stated he is sub-par at best. However, people see and hear what they want because his name is attached. I asked why he was not even given the slightest bit of a chance as the President. Sure he is divisive and not a strong leader. However, we have at the minimum 3 more years with him(likely 7 because he will probably be re-elected). Why sit here and try to find reasons why he's a bad president and just let him be. Trust me, he will show why he is not a good president. He doesn't need the media or anyone else constantly twisting his words or expressing their disdain.

Now I'm not saying don't express your opinion. Express your opinion all you want. However, when you are calling him the worst president ever in the first 6 months don't we see a problem? Again, he is divisive and sometimes hateful but very far from the worst president. Let him build or destroy his own legacy. If he steps out bounds I promise you they will get him out of there.
Yea I went back and looked through the thread and saw how you responded to some people and I agreed with you on a lot of things too but I feel like if we wait too long it will be to late this time. To me what he's shown in the 6 months is already enough to get him out of there. Glad to see your thinking rationally and you're right he will be his own demise. I hope and don't see him getting re-elected. And even if he does get the boot we'll just be stuck with pence
 

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Em went ham on him last night on the BET Awards. **** Donald Trump.
[video=youtube_share;LunHybOKIjU]https://youtu.be/LunHybOKIjU[/video]

I need the uncensored version. I was dying from the calm before the storm part
 

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I need the uncensored version. I was dying from the calm before the storm part

It was censored when it was live, so I can't help you with that fam. That line about not liking his war heroes captured was mega heat, on the real I forgot he was saying shit like that about McCain.
 

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It was censored when it was live, so I can't help you with that fam. That line about not liking his war heroes captured was mega heat, on the real I forgot he was saying shit like that about McCain.

Yea I couldn't find it anywhere. Honestly it wasn't even a song so I don't think it'll become uncensored it's him more of speaking a powerful poem about how trump sucks a big bag of sh*t
 
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