Why can't sasuke beat pain???

[ninjamos]

its not sure that it reguires 3 strong attack you dont know that mabey 5 fast susanoo arrows word you dont know and pain only see clouds so you dont know how he wil react because its just cloud so my point is pain wont know wat sasuke is upto its not sure he wil put those clouds away you dont know that my point is i think ems sasuke has a high chance to win but you are right about that gedo mazo

Thats why I said my point wasnt absolute, we dont know if Sasuke can figure it out in generate enough power and we dont know if pain is dumb enough to let Sasuke make rain clouds, reach up and strike him with kirin. I was only stating that its not a high chance any1 even Sasuke can pull that off. + if itachi can counter kirin by making a rib cage, then why cant pain react to kirin?

 

[ninjamos]

Over time, use of the Mangekyō Sharingan's techniques deteriorates the user's eyesight to the point of blindness. Only by taking and transplanting the eyes of another Uchiha clan member can the vision be restored, a process that results in the creation of an Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. The tighter the blood ties are between the "donor" and the receiver, the better it is for compatibility, siblings for example. The time from fusing the donor's Mangekyō with the receiver's Mangekyō to the point of full recovery is at least several days in the case of Sasuke. Not only does this process permanently restore one's eyesight, but it also gives the person even greater power. The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan also changes form from the original, with what appears to be a fusion of the current owner's Mangekyō with the previous owner's

Ty, so no new abilitys to push Sasuke over the edge into victory??

 

[Gary777]

genjutsu ..not gonna work on all six at a time or jman could have one for doubts read that manga again
susanoo. shinra tensie will push it off easily
susanoo arrows and amaterasu can be absorbed even if it hits the paths can revive or absorb the chakra like it did to naruto .
speed of sasuke useless coz their visions are linked even sm naruto found it hard.
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naruto won coz of kyubi or he would have lost

 

[ninjamos]

Also, well we ever get to sasukes deffences to pains attacks. I mean if he cant kill pain right off the bat, then can he exaust him? I mean to be honest, if Sasuke cant deffend at all (which is a prime means to open a attack) then his attacks wont nessisarilly help him either. A dead body cant fight back. I mean. Lets say Sasuke and pain has a slug fest of undodgeable attacks, its almost assured that the reviving path wont be in that fight, he'll be hidden far off in the back lines. 5 dead pains become 5 alive pains. Sasuke (IF HES still alive) cant just attack his way to victory, nor would he, he's too smart for that.

 

[Icelerate]

first things first
if pain starts with chou shinra tensei or chibaku tensei
story ends there and then

Does Pain even start with Chou Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei? Even so wouldn't susanoo tank it if Tsunade could?

second lets start with normal combat
genjutsu will not work nuff said

Why not? If frog song worked wouldn't Sasuke's crippling genjutsu work too?

amaterasu- no
why? gets absorbed or shinra tensei

What about the four other paths that can't do anything about amaterasu?

susano not gonna help

Yes it will, there is no reason why it won't.

kirin- not gonna help gets absorbed even if it hits
but he will not be able to complete the jutsu so its of no use

Kirin can not be absorbed because it is natural lightning and not made out of chakra.

so tell me what has he got on pain U_U

Sasuke loses to Pain but he would put up a fight.

 

[ninjamos]

Does Pain even start with Chou Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei? Even so wouldn't susanoo tank it if Tsunade could?

Why not? If frog song worked wouldn't Sasuke's crippling genjutsu work too?

What about the four other paths that can't do anything about amaterasu?

Yes it will, there is no reason why it won't.

Kirin can not be absorbed because it is natural lightning and not made out of chakra.

Sasuke loses to Pain but he would put up a fight.

I like this, its well put and acurate :ice: I only dissagree on 2 things, 1. Ive talked about several reasons why sasukes genjutsu may not work. No one has replyed to it so im guessing I made a ok point. And if the others caught fire it could still be delt with and if the healing pain were to be hit, it would probably be made a proority. Then again, theres always ”take my cloak off... No jutsu”

 

[jtolliver87]

A big part of the reason naruto was able to "defeat" Pain was due to his sage techs and his unusual cloning abilities oh yea he had a tailed beast that did alot of work for him for a period of time....sasuke has none of these abilities which is why i say he would lose...naruto was really just naturally better suited to fight pain

 

[Jukain]

sasuke is greater or equal to pain

ugh no Kishi would have to disagree. A guy who never truly lost a fight, named strongest in akatsuki, solod villages, killed jman noo problem, solod sixtails....yeah Sasuke is not equal or greater to pein. what a dumb thing to say.

 

[Bright Master]

The rinnegan is highly underestimated, because we are yet to know its full capabilites. Like common, It killed hundreds of people in one move, leveled konoha, then brought them back to life. five bucks says it can summon chuck norris.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Does Pain even start with Chou Shinra Tensei or Chibaku Tensei? Even so wouldn't susanoo tank it if Tsunade could?

Why not? If frog song worked wouldn't Sasuke's crippling genjutsu work too?

What about the four other paths that can't do anything about amaterasu?

Yes it will, there is no reason why it won't.

Kirin can not be absorbed because it is natural lightning and not made out of chakra.

Sasuke loses to Pain but he would put up a fight.

susanoo is hard it cracks like glass
tsunade got the slug its soft it can take bunt impacts and every 1 still took damage broken bones etc
and that thundercloud move may be real lighting but pain has real gravity that affects real rocks so a ST will do
and he will have time since sasuke has to take time to layer it with sum of his charka to control turnin it into a big oblivious attack
and about the black flame ST again or bring back to life
preta can eat it as well protectin a few they stick 2gether like a football team plans

 

[Jukain]

didnt hanzo break the main guys legs? lmao.

pen no jutsu sm naruto failed at first then kurma smacked on him, then sm naruto finished the job.

itachi bascilly soloed nagato lol. naruto and bee didnt do shit, and got saved when they were getting choked by nagato.

strongest in akatsuki? no second strongest at best. id like to see him against someone like him like kisame who can absorb charka and all that goodness.

an uchiha is truely and only match for nagato. because nagato has there dojutsu.

nagato eyes werent his, he was not born with them. so this argueblly isnt even nagato's power since tobi said he gave him those eyes.

you should read up on the manga and facts more. instead of baseing you decision off of what others say, or just hateing on sasuke

let me help out here a little buddy
Hanzo yeah the one who took on all 3 sannin yeah him. then he and his entire village was defeated by Pein.

yeah deva solod 6tails smart one. And he only won becouse deva was disabled at first, he had a ton of intel on pein, had assistance from the other toads, had two sage clones ready, hinata saved his ass, then 6 tails came out still lost. Only after all this did he lose. Naruto alone would have been chrushed easily.

And no itachi only survived becouse of bee and naruto. Without them he would be crushed in CT. And the only reason he got hit by the sword is becouse he couldnt WALK. It took all three of them to take down a crippled Nagato.

And kishi would disagree kishi said he was the strongest no Kisame. Kisame is strong and all but would get destroyed by pein. And your an idiot nagato can absorb chakara to and dosent need a sword

Everything else you say is irreleveant. Nagato was given the power so with the power he has he would kill Sasuke mid diff

 

[Capn FlapJak]

didnt hanzo break the main guys legs? lmao.

pen no jutsu sm naruto failed at first then kurma smacked on him, then sm naruto finished the job.

itachi bascilly soloed nagato lol. naruto and bee didnt do shit, and got saved when they were getting choked by nagato.

strongest in akatsuki? no second strongest at best. id like to see him against someone like him like kisame who can absorb charka and all that goodness.

an uchiha is truely and only match for nagato. because nagato has there dojutsu.

nagato eyes werent his, he was not born with them. so this argueblly isnt even nagato's power since tobi said he gave him those eyes.

you should read up on the manga and facts more. instead of baseing you decision off of what others say, or just hateing on sasuke

u a dumb troll u even said CT wouldnt kill sasuke lets just say sasuke in susanoo can live how will he get out if the 9 tails had problems gettin out how long b4 he runs outa susanoo cuase CT once its made it holds itself

 

[Sinnister]

Look bro. Sasuke CANNOT win.

Kirin gets absorbed or deflected by shinra tensei. Or one gets revived by that other pain.

Amaterasu. Same as Kirin.

Chidori. Same as kirin.

Susano'o. Doesn't need to penetrate it. Chibaku tensei will take care of it.

Genjutsu requires that one pain looks in his eyes but guess what. They have shared vision so the one fighting sasuke will simply close his eyes so that the others will look for him.

Sasuke will not win. Period.

 

[ninjamos]

first off kirin isnt orochimaru jutsu, and it doesnt require orochimaru's charka dummy. look at narutowiki for once.

lastly it is not a once in a life shot. you sound butthurt that orochimaru got owned inside of sasuke's mind lmao. :flaw:

i suggest you go re read the manga and look up jutsu on wiki before you start makeing up stuff.
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1. only people who have dodge amatersu shown is, tobi,raikage.

i dont think 5/6 paths are that fast to dodge it or see it comeing.

2. you have been drinking the haterade sasuke juice. :sy:

tbb came from kurma not naruto. susanno arrow is sasuke's power.

you cannt comare naruto to sasuke here so stop trying.


3.sasuke wouldnt die from ct or st.

4. this is the only part so far that makes any sense, but i like kirin takes care of 5/6 paths if not. none of them are fast enough to dodge or try to absorb amatersu.

amatersu is not rasengen shiruken. amatersu is 100times faster. mabye not 100 but way faster.


dude ms sasuke> sm naruto

ems is overkill . stop drinking that juice



once again stop compareing rasenshurken to amatersu there two different attacks not the same at all.

like i said before they the guy who absorbs stuff wouldnt see it comeing. i doubt he is as fast as raikage:sy:.

it can be dodged but not buy anyone with lower speed then raikage.



lol. there in here thats fer sure.

1. He wasnt saying he needed orochimaru's power, he was saying he needed extra power which just so happened to be orochimaru's ATM. Not saying hes right but theres no need to be so harsh. 2. Srsly, amatatsu can be delt with, you ignore my posts? Ur right about them avoiding it tho... 3. U just said u shouldnt compare Naruto and Sasuke but then u said ” ms sasuke> sm naruto ”... (+ pain is better then sm Naruto so ur point there isnt really valid.) Btw EMS from what I understand wont really chage the outcome of this fight. powering up moves that wont nessisarily work wont make them work.

 

[ninjamos]

didnt hanzo break the main guys legs? lmao.

pen no jutsu sm naruto failed at first then kurma smacked on him, then sm naruto finished the job.

itachi bascilly soloed nagato lol. naruto and bee didnt do shit, and got saved when they were getting choked by nagato.

strongest in akatsuki? no second strongest at best. id like to see him against someone like him like kisame who can absorb charka and all that goodness.

an uchiha is truely and only match for nagato. because nagato has there dojutsu.

nagato eyes werent his, he was not born with them. so this argueblly isnt even nagato's power since tobi said he gave him those eyes.

you should read up on the manga and facts more. instead of baseing you decision off of what others say, or just hateing on sasuke

Pain vs kisame... No match unless u think might guy can beat pain as well. Naruto had help. Nagato had his eyes before he met tobi, he awoke them to protect yhico which is the person whos leggs got broken - dont make fun of people

 

[ninjamos]

Srsly... No one replyed to my amateratsu or genjutsu posts, ive already givin a bunch of reasons they wont work, u guys ignoring that? Lol + kirin... Srsly, IF he can make clouds wile fighting pain without looking like hes gonna use them (im a regular human, no were near on track with the mental prowess of pain, but if im fighting someone and they make clouds... Srsly im gonna tell there gona use them for something.) And he can gather the kirin before pain gets rid of the clouds and or prepare a attack or prepare to push it, its gonna need to hit all of the pains at the same time and kill them, and I dont recall the pains to be idiots who all stand in a circle so that they can just be killed togeather. The chance of that happening is really really low

 

[Rohasu]

by far the worst thread ever, dont argue with the fact that amaterasu is a jutsu which is blaze release, now what is fire release.... ninjutsu and blaze release is just a FIRE from "h3ll" soooooo its ninjutsu too preta path absorbs all ninjutsu so sasuke doesnt have any non-ninjutsu attacks besides genjutsu and now dont goo "oh well what about susano'o huh ultimate defence brah" well guess what... its pure chakra now what is naruto rasenshuriken... pure chakra, and sasuke doesnt have tons of chakra like naruto so ya if sasuke was to keep susnao'o up while preta path sucking it in guess he would collapse and land right on baby face.

p.s. not a hater but i really dont like it when people over-rate characters, its pathetic -_-

 

[Sasuke1025]

Srsly... No one replyed to my amateratsu or genjutsu posts, ive already givin a bunch of reasons they wont work, u guys ignoring that? Lol + kirin... Srsly, IF he can make clouds wile fighting pain without looking like hes gonna use them (im a regular human, no were near on track with the mental prowess of pain, but if im fighting someone and they make clouds... Srsly im gonna tell there gona use them for something.) And he can gather the kirin before pain gets rid of the clouds and or prepare a attack or prepare to push it, its gonna need to hit all of the pains at the same time and kill them, and I dont recall the pains to be idiots who all stand in a circle so that they can just be killed togeather. The chance of that happening is really really low

Dude sasuke is smart he's not just just going to shoot a bunch of fire balls up to the sky he's gonna come at him and force him to jump then he can shoot the fire balls but purposely miss and when pain sees the thinder clouds he isn't gonna b like oh sh*t thunder clouds he's gonna use natural lightning no one has ever tamed natural lightning so by the time he raise his chidori it'll b to late

 

[Sasuke1025]

by far the worst thread ever, dont argue with the fact that amaterasu is a jutsu which is blaze release, now what is fire release.... ninjutsu and blaze release is just a FIRE from "h3ll" soooooo its ninjutsu too preta path absorbs all ninjutsu so sasuke doesnt have any non-ninjutsu attacks besides genjutsu and now dont goo "oh well what about susano'o huh ultimate defence brah" well guess what... its pure chakra now what is naruto rasenshuriken... pure chakra, and sasuke doesnt have tons of chakra like naruto so ya if sasuke was to keep susnao'o up while preta path sucking it in guess he would collapse and land right on baby face.

p.s. not a hater but i really dont like it when people over-rate characters, its pathetic -_-

Dude what don't you get about Amaterasu not able to be extinguish it'll keep burning 4 7 days and 7 nights if he absorb that I'm pretty sure it'll keep burning inside him like how he died from natural chakra and about susano'O what makes you think tht sasuke is gonna stand there while pain is getting closer to absorb it

 

[nika1994]

Well you don't rly know if u need tht much fire power to destroy it all three of them shoot just incase so you don't know for sure that u need that much power to destroy it

that's the thing. people assume that they used "just the right ammount" of power when they combined their strength. It's a **** way to say Nagato would've killed Itachi if it wasn't fo those two, because otherwise, it was a 1 on 1 fight. Bee and Naruto were more of a nuisance in that fight. Itachi never stated that they just barely destroyed it. Itachi always plays it safe. that's why he asked for help, but honestly, we DON'T KNOW if multiple yasaka magatamas could've broken it alone. Some people assume, and then take those assumptions as facts