Why can't Rinnegan-Sasuke use Shinra Tensei and other Six Paths Technique?

[mohdzarif]

Actually, mine is better than yours. While you can interpret it as him implying that he could have them use the paths, that is speculation, as he simply could have just been masking the fact that he couldn't, so that they wouldn't think of him as being any less of an opponent. Either way, it is only an opinion. Naruto also could perform the six paths...if he implanted both Rinnegan.

You are just making excuses. Obito clearly said he could use Human Path on Yamato with that one eye.

Also, he never intended to implant the 2nd Rinnegan because he just couldn't. This makes it even clearer that he could use Rikudou no Jutsu with that one eye.

Madara not using Rikudou no Jutsu with his one eye doesn't prove anything. As even with 2 Rinnegan in his Edo state, he never used any of them except Preta Path.

 

[VongolaX]

I base my logic on the fact that Madara never showed using the paths without the second Rinnegan, but performing so immediately after he obtained it. Obito never stated he could, he just told Kakashi that he had good deducting skills.

Chapter 606 page 14-15

Madara stated that he will teach Obito all the 6 path techniques

Blind Madara was able to use the absorption technique like he did in Edo tensei.

Madara himself also preformed ct, so you know he can use the six paths as well as his student Obito.

Obito absorbed rikudou Obito and use chakra removal too.

Hagoromoo hasn't been shown using any six path technique, excluding ct which required the yin yang seal w/Haruma.

The sage himself stated that he created ninshuu and not ninjustu....so by your logic are we going to deny him all six paths despite showing one or two like Obito and Madara?

Even Nagato stated that those who can control all six path can use the outer path.

Which both Obito/Madara spammed because it is the strongest of the seven.

 

[Styles]

It was too strong for him. He couldn't handle the power. But he don't know if this is for the reason of continuous use, or of just having them in. There is no proof that he can do it, only that he would, and you have no evidence whether or not he would have went to obtain the second.

Dude he even said he couldn't have both implanted because JUST having them in almost made him lose himself everyone knows he was gonna use that 1 Rinnegan to use human path.

 

[Howling Fox]

hes not smart enough to use the other ones. he can only use his substitution jutsu

 

[Styles]

How can you know when it did not happen?

Because even he says it. And he said clear as day he was gonna use Human path on the other page i showed you.

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[Sennin of Logic]

Why couldn't Madara use deva path with one rinnegan as the juubi jin? It probably requires 2 for deva path.

 

[mohdzarif]

Madara never needed to use his Rinnegan when under Edo Tensei, as he was already overwhelming with just the absorption technique. Onto never clearly he said he could use it with one eye, as he never specified. He could implant it, but continued use would take too much of his chakra.

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You were contradicting yourself in that sentence lel.

Also, if he really didn't need to use big jutsu like Chibaku Tensei during that time, then tell me why he needed to use meteors?
Meteor >>>>>> all 6 paths, and he used it.

So you saying he didn't need to use Rikudou no Jutsu because it would be overwhelming is BULLSHIT. Also, his Mokuton was extremely overwhelming especially the Kajukai Kourin, where a big forest with poisonous pollens was created. That was just as overwhelming as Chibaku Tensei, if not more.

About Obito, you don't need the author to spoon feed you word by word to comprehend such a simple thing, obviously implied by the author. But I think you are just finding excuses, you already understood it.

 

[Styles]

I know he said that. I was referring to your second statement.

Why would he say he could and was gonna use it if he couldn't without both? He clearly could but didn't want to because Yamato would die and he needed him to make the Zetsu army stronger.

 

[Styles]

He was cautious of Kabul. Why would he let him know that he couldn't even use the Rinnegan in his left eye?

Kabuto already knew he could use the Rinnegan techniques. They just didn't want to kill Yamato how is that not clear.?

 

[Styles]

Kabuto couldn't know if he never seen Obito use one of the paths. I know they didn't want to kill him, and I know that Obito could use the paths. Just like Sasuke could use the tailed beast bomb, if he had a tailed beast, and Obito had the second Rinnegan.

Dude iv'e shown you manga pages and all as proof and you're still saying he needs 2 Rinnegans to use the 6 paths techniques.

 

[mohdzarif]

Because he didn't want to. That's like saying Nagato can't absorb Amaterasu because he chose to use Almighty Push instead of the absorption technique. And don't you find the fact that Obito didn't use the paths because he thought they had counters to all of them is a bit weird as well? It doesn't make sense that throughout the entire time he was there, Obito never once used one of the six paths, including Madara when he only had one. What was stopping him from starting Infinite Tsukuyomi and Chibaku Tensei first than after getting the Rinnegan? Because he knew that he needed both to use it's full power.

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Who are you referring to? Are you just admitting that "he" just didn't want to, but he could do it? lel

No, it's not weird. People will never use the same tricks anymore with people that already know how the tricks work and how to counter them. COMMON SENSE.

So you really have some misunderstanding indeed. Mugen Tsukuyomi can be casted only with the red Rinnegan on the forehead. He needs to have both the purple Rinnegan for the red Rinnegan to open when he was facing close to the moon.

As with previous evidences provided to you, Rikudou no Jutsu can be used while having only one eye. You are just a dumb literalist. Even a 6-year-old can understand what Kishi provided.

With 2 eye, the strength of the jutsu would be higher, as what Obito said.

So Madara was not using Chibaku Tensei first, because his Chibaku Tensei would be weak and Naruto and Sasuke would just easily destroy them. Only with double Rinnegan, he could create an overwhelming CT.

 

[VongolaX]

Correct.
Incorrect. The technique he used to absorb Amaterasu was not a Rinnegan technique.
Correct, with both Rinnegan.
This makes no sense, so I can't respond.
Correct, because he was never shown in a fight.
No. My logic states he can use all six, because he has both Rinnegan.
I do not remember this.
Spammed? Not at all.

The one he used to absorb Amatersu and Hashirama is a six path tech.

In Edo tensei he never called it Preta path, he just sated that his rinnegan can absorb ninjustus.

No incorrect, you don't need both eyes for CT as for Madara stated he can use one eye to utilize full power.

Both eyes wouldn't matter considering that he used some without his eyes, even used Susanoo without both eyes either.

Obito didn't have the rinnegan at the cave, yet Madara still taught him the six path Justus.

Just by using the black rod...

Just look at pain, these dead bodies only have black rods on them yet they are able to use the six path techniques.

 

[mohdzarif]

I was referring to you saying he used the meteorites in place of Chibaku Tensei. Almost everything you just said is pure opinion and speculation. It was never said you need both Rinnegan to activate the technique, only that you needed the power of transmigration. I also was never provided evidence of the paths being used with one Rinnegan, only Obito saying he could, without specifying whether or not he needed the second.

Like I said before, arguing about Madara not using Rikudou no Jutsu with one eye doesn't prove anything when he didn't even use any of them in his Edo except Preta Path. So, like you said, he just didn't want to.

You said I was speculating huh? When it is you who was doing that. The scan already shows that Obito said it so clearly yet you kept making excuses. Tell us why he supposed to implant the 2nd eye when he would lose himself if both eyes were implanted?

He already used the Outer Path which is the superior and the ultimate one compared to the other six. The Outer Path is also a "Path", it's a part of the Rikudou no Jutsu.

The one who controls the Rinnegan is a master of all 6 paths, he is outside life and death, able to control life and death. The fact that Obito can use the Outer Path means that he also is a master of all 6 paths.

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[VongolaX]

No it's not. He explained he learned to absorb any chakra he comes into contact to from a special someone.

What?

No, he did not specifically state he could with one eye. He just ended up using Limbo.
That was explained. The sharingan gains it's appearance, ability, and chakra from the brain. Susano'o did not require eye contact, so he could use it.

He told white zetsu that he was going to use the full power of the rinnegan, with just one eye.
Rinnegan doesn't require eye contact...

Sharingan comes from the brain, so okay where does the rinnegan come from?

Surely the same place as the sharingan, because the sharingan evolved into the sharingan in the first place.

He had Tsukuyomi, so he could have given Obito the Rinnegan as an illusion and taught him how. It was never described.
Yes, because each one of them had chakra transmitted to them to allow both Rinnegan, not just one.

That's not how tsukyomi works...

On top of that it is a huge assumption that wouldn't make sense, because he wouldn't need to teach him six path Justus once the "tsukyomi rinnegan," is completely over.

He did describe how he teach Obito, in chapter 606 page 15 he told Obito to use his will made into a physical shape for the six path Justus.

Your telling me that Nagato had six pairs of rinnegan?

Look, the black rods transmit the chakra into the bodies allowing them to use the techniques.

Nagato created six path of pain to share visions with his paths.

They're not real rinnegans

Because Obito during the war had seven of them.

 

[VongolaX]

^^Also it was never stated in the manga that you need both eyes to preform the techniques.

You need to show a scan/proof, instead of your assumption/theory.

 

[mohdzarif]

So you think that Nagato or Konan know anything about the Rinnegan, let alone using only one of them? A man can be a master at driving but be unable to drive, simply because he does not have a vehicle to do so. Kakashi could be a master of Kamui, but he can't use it. You need to stop arguing. You cannot prove he can use one of the six paths, because he never has, and there is no logic in explaining that he could. Obito did say he could use a path, obviously, but we don't know if he needed the other eye. You can't believe everything a character says. Obito also said he was Madara, but that turned out incorrect.

LMAO this guy. XD SMH. *Facedesk hundreds of times* :vincent:

Are you telling me that what Nagato and Konan said were just their own created myth? How did they create such myth if they don't have any idea about anything. Konan said in her monologue that Nagato would die after Rinne Tensei and it was correct! So you are telling us that Nagato and Konan didn't know anything?

Also, it was Obito that taught Nagato about the Rinnegan and the story of the Rikudou Sennin. Nagato knew that SO6P created the moon with Chibaku Tensei. Nagato's knowledge all came from Obito.

Also, are you telling us that Obito should have implanted the 2nd eye just for the sake of using Human Path on one guy? Then after that, remove the 2nd eye and implant her Sharingan again?

Please, you just don't have logic. It's you who need to stop arguing.

 

[mohdzarif]

What would Obito have known about someone using one Rinnegan at the time? Nothing? Correct! Besides, as I said, you have no direct evidence that Obito could use one of the six paths with only one Rinnegan. It is only your opinion.

Making excuses again huh, all for the sake of proving your flawed assumption and logic.

The scans of Obito and also Nagato shit on your arguments already. But as always, you try to twist things into your favor.

Obito used the Outer Path, which means he controlled the Rinnegan, which means he mastered all 6 other paths. It's that simple. Outer Path is the King of all the Paths.

Thinking that he couldn't use the other 6 Paths when he clearly could use the Outer Path is ridiculous. The Outer Path is simply just another Path, but the ultimate and final one.

 

[VongolaX]

Madara said if he used the Rinnegan, not that he would, and even if he did mean it with one eye, that full power he referred to is Limbo. He didn't use anything else.

He used Gedo mazou nine dragon to subdue all nine beast in seconds.

He wasn't talking about just limbo, the outer path is the strongest path and utilizing the Gedo path to its fullest extent is part of using the full power of the rinnegan.

While the Rinnegan operates in the same way, Madara only was able to use it because he awakened them. And yes, Tsukuyomi could be used like that, unless you think you magically forget what you learn after being released.

Madara awakened them, and yes without the eyes utilize a few techniques.

Madara's will contain his chakra in them, so anyone infused with it also gets the same access.

The tsukyomi assumption that you put there would be pointless, considering that he would magically loose this so called "tsukyomi rinnegan."

It would completely defeat the purpose because he doesn't have the rinnegan and Nagato does, why bother teach Obito if he can't use it?

Answer is that he can, but in a different method.

Madara also only said to use it after Obito learned how to use the Rinnegan, and we never seen him use it, so you don't know when or how he practiced. I never said Nagato had six Rinnegan, as I'm not stupid. I said the chakra transmitted allowed them to use it's power.

The chakra transmitted from the rods allowed Obito to use it's power too, despite with no eyes.

Like I posted before, we haven't seen Hagoromoo use it either, but we won't deny him his rights of usage too.

Obito with the rinnegan showed techniques against rikudou Madara anyway.

Madara never said to use it after he gets/use the rinnegan.

He stated to use the black rod when preforming the techniques, since Nagato has the rinnegan.

 

[VongolaX]

It was never stated you only need one eye to perform the techniques. My evidence is the lack of any character using one of the six paths without a second Rinnegan.

Madara stated he can use the full power with one eye

It was never stated that you need two

Even double rinnegan Madara didn't use all six path techniques in his fight as well.

All he used was limbo and ct

Only one six path technique, yet he got both eyes.

 

[israel97]

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