Why Can't Naruto Uzumaki Fans Admit it?

Exaar

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Your just sounding like an uchiha fanboy alt at the moment.

If Naruto or Sasuke got rid of the current system, a new one would be put it place and be just as bad. People will keep fighting regardless of what system their under.
Also you cannot blame the system alone for Madara/Obito, Black zetsu manipulated the uchiha more than the shinobi system did.

The uchiha's coup wouldn't of changed a damn thing, if anything it would've cause more fighting and death, Even if they succeeded in over throwing konoha they would never achieve peace like naruto currently has.

an entire clan that was loyal to the village from the start.

So loyal they planned a coup
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The uchiha's coup wouldn't of changed a damn thing, if anything it would've cause more fighting and death, Even if they succeeded in over throwing konoha they would never achieve peace like naruto currently has.

The Uchiha coup probably wouldn't have caused more fighting and death, how do we even know what the Uchiha were specifically planning, they weren't exactly stupid. I'm sure they realized they were outnumbered and probably planned on using Shisui and Itachi's Sharingan for mind-control. Itachi never went to any of their meetings in person, he only tailed them and got his information from the Hokage, and I doubt the Hokage knew the inner-workings of the clan. So we really don't know what the tactic in taking over the village would have been.

Naruto didn't achieve peace, as stated by someone else who commented, Obito and Madara caused this peace to exist. After two incredibly powerful shinobi got together to implement the infinite tsukuyomi, the shinobi world finally decided to form an alliance because of a common enemy. Soon they'll loose that fear of a common enemy and continue fighting like they used to, it's how humans are. Naruto has never acknowledged the cruelty of his village and never called out the system for what it really was, he simply ignores it throughout the series and only hyperventilates when faced with the truth of how things really were. When he realized the injustice done to Sasuke and how everyone was planning to kill Sasuke, he simply passed out without really trying to understand the shinobi world that he'd been shielded from unlike Obito, Sasuke, and Itachi.
 

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Naruto isn't book smart but he is a clever character that's achieved feats prodigies couldn't do since he thought outside the box

You redeemed yourself from the trash "Uchihas aren't smart" thread. Congrats :pkool:
 

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Naruto's feats were only achievable by him because he had a tailed-beast sealed inside of him, it's like blaming Naruto for not reaching Sasuke's feats, Naruto doesn't have any dojutsu.
 

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Yeah but naruto changed the system, he fought so he could change the shinobi world later on, which he did.

Obito and Madara changed the system, without them the 5 Kages have no reason to unite
 

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So loyal they planned a coup

Can you really blame them given the circumstances? If your government was watching your family with suspicion and had been for quite a few decades, would you just sit back and do nothing? If that same government then accused your family of a horrendous crime, for which they have no evidence that your family committed it. Would you just sit back and do nothing?

Might doesn't make right, just because Konoha was the bigger force doesn't make it's actions right. It seems like everyone just wanted Sasuke to just accept the fact that his entire clan was massacred for a "peace" that wasn't going to last at all, and for the happiness of a bunch of strangers he didn't even know. This whole show seems to be about conforming to the evils of your corrupt village while also preaching about peace and stopping hatred. At least someone tried to go against the grain, but was foiled simply for plot reasons.

The entire shinobi system is about turning children into mindless bots that are loyal to their villages, and I have to admire Sasuke for putting his love for his family before the village, but after he spoke to the Hokage I was quite disappointed. Itachi's sacrifice was already fulfilled, it seems like Itachi get's to play God in every scenario and get's exactly what he wants. The five-village system should have just been deconstructed from the beginning, Hagoromo knew what he was doing when it came to Ninshu.
 

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There won't be a system like this if Indra didn't get butthurt at the beginning.

There would be even if Indra didn't get butthurt because Ashura was the one that created it
 

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There would be even if Indra didn't get butthurt because Ashura was the one that created it

He won't need to if Indra worked with him instead or creating a long line of butthurt Uchihas who were taken advantage of by BZ.
 

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He won't need to if Indra worked with him instead or creating a long line of butthurt Uchihas who were taken advantage of by BZ

I'll admit that Indra should have worked with Asura, but who are we to judge? It was a birthright that he worked hard for, just for it to get passed over to his brother. By the way, notice that Ninshu completely vanished, Asura clearly didn't implement the way of Ninshu and Ninjutsu ended up taking over.

How are the Uchiha's butthurt again?

Your whole clan is murdered and your mother and father, you're forced to watch it for 72 hours and you want revenge because of it? That somehow equals butthurt?


For some reason, Naruto fans justify the idea of Naruto hating the village for how they treated him, but can't bring themselves to justify Sasuke's hatred of the village for causing his brother pain, and massacring an entire clan. Madara himself stated that humans refuse to understand one another, Naruto fans are a good example of that, they always find room to empathize with Naruto but find it impossible and sometimes even refuse to empathize with Sasuke.
 

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I'll admit that Indra should have worked with Asura, but who are we to judge? It was a birthright that he worked hard for, just for it to get passed over to his brother. By the way, notice that Ninshu completely vanished, Asura clearly didn't implement the way of Ninshu and Ninjutsu ended up taking over.

Birthright? No offence but the very idea is stupid. Its the parent's choice to whom they want to leave everything when they're gone and Hagoromo gave his reasons for his decision. The fact that Indra didn't respect his decision cements the idea that he cared for only power and tried to take it by killing his own brother.
So instead of teaching the way of ninshu he had to prepare the people to defend themselves against Indra and his supporters and outcome of that was Ninjutsu.

How are the Uchiha's butthurt again?

Read the manga.

Your whole clan is murdered and your mother and father, you're forced to watch it for 72 hours and you want revenge because of it? That somehow equals butthurt?

Bro, Sasuke isn't the only Uchiha. But I agree he was wronged but for that he decides to destroy an entire village. Don't you think that's too extreme.

For some reason, Naruto fans justify the idea of Naruto hating the village for how they treated him, but can't bring themselves to justify Sasuke's hatred of the village for causing his brother pain, and massacring an entire clan. Madara himself stated that humans refuse to understand one another, Naruto fans are a good example of that, they always find room to empathize with Naruto but find it impossible and sometimes even refuse to empathize with Sasuke.

True Naruto might have hated the village at some point but did he ever plan to destroy it? And again Sasuke isn't the only uchiha.
 

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Bro, Sasuke isn't the only Uchiha. But I agree he was wronged but for that he decides to destroy an entire village. Don't you think that's too extreme.

I don't justify murdering everyone there, but destroying the village itself is completely justified. The government in that place took his family away from him, the majority doesn't always get to come first. There's a reason as to why America is a republic, to protect the minorities from the careless actions of the majority. Konoha deserves to start over on a clean slate.


Ninshu was Indra's birthright, and he should have been given the chance to work together with Asura. It was purely Hagoromo's fault by bestowing his power to Asura and not having Indra get any of his power as well, it completely destroyed his idea of "cooperation".


The Uchiha's were butthurt for the right reasons, I don't get why it's so popular to just conform to the terrible system that is the shinobi system. I'm sorry but I find it natural to hate the shinobi system if it took away your love, made your best-friend kill their own teammate, and you yourself committed a vast amount of heinous crimes you can't forgive yourself for. At least Obito was willing to admit that he was trash because of his actions, but the other side won't admit to how stupid their system is.
 

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I don't justify murdering everyone there, but destroying the village itself is completely justified. The government in that place took his family away from him, the majority doesn't always get to come first. There's a reason as to why America is a republic, to protect the minorities from the careless actions of the majority. Konoha deserves to start over on a clean slate.

And what happens when innocent people stand in his way trying to stop him from destroying the village.
Again the villagers were not involved at all. So destroying all those who were responsible should have been enough. Now since we're talking about republic and stuff. SO tell me if someone commits a murder, should the courts punish his entire family?

Ninshu was Indra's birthright, and he should have been given the chance to work together with Asura. It was purely Hagoromo's fault by bestowing his power to Asura and not having Indra get any of his power as well, it completely destroyed his idea of "cooperation".

Again its the owner's choice whom to leave everything to. Another example from real life, people won't be creating wills if birthright was all that mattered.

The Uchiha's were butthurt for the right reasons, I don't get why it's so popular to just conform to the terrible system that is the shinobi system. I'm sorry but I find it natural to hate the shinobi system if it took away your love, made your best-friend kill their own teammate, and you yourself committed a vast amount of heinous crimes you can't forgive yourself for. At least Obito was willing to admit that he was trash because of his actions, but the other side won't admit to how stupid their system is.

Well I can't change your opinion but to me they were wrong. Other people had lost their loved ones too and I understand uchiha wanting to change the system but by enslaving, by fear and power, that's just wrong.
 

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Naruto didn't change anything. Everything is the same, but the villages are united under a new alliance. And it's not because of him that the villages are united, it was Obito and Madara that united it. That is why Sasuke was right:

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Working together and being united isn't the same thing.

Yes, they were the reason that the villages banded together to fight a common threat, but it's actually Naruto's actions during the war that changed their views on the shinobi system.

Gaara who Naruto changed, was the one to change Oonoki who was stubborn as hell.

Naruto's actions changed the Raikage. It started even before the war when Naruto begged him to forgive Sasuke, which he finally realised wasn't a bad quality during Hashirama's shared memories FB.

Tsunade was already changed by Naruto since part 1.

Gaara and Naruto working together motivated the Kage to work together and face Madara.

Even Gaara's speech played a huge part in changing the views of the Shinobi, making them work together.

Naruto leading the shinobi against the Juubi also played a part in their unification.

Then there was the memories of both Hashirama and Naruto, showing their hardships and hopes for the future to the shinobi alliance.

EDIT: Changing the leaders would equal in a change for their villages.
 
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The Uchiha coup probably wouldn't have caused more fighting and death, how do we even know what the Uchiha were specifically planning, they weren't exactly stupid. I'm sure they realized they were outnumbered and probably planned on using Shisui and Itachi's Sharingan for mind-control. Itachi never went to any of their meetings in person, he only tailed them and got his information from the Hokage, and I doubt the Hokage knew the inner-workings of the clan. So we really don't know what the tactic in taking over the village would have been.

Regardless of their tactics, The village is not going to roll over and take it.

No matter what route they take there will be fighting, Shisui only has two shots (one after danzo took his eye), Effects of KA seems to be broken when it's pointed out, it's not like people wont notice odd behavior from Hiruzen/Danzo or who ever it's used on or when ever a hyuga uses their byakugan.

the shinobi world finally decided to form an alliance because of a common enemy. Soon they'll loose that fear of a common enemy and continue fighting like they used to

Yet peace remained for 10 or so years after Madara, obito and Kaguya were defeated.


Can you really blame them given the circumstances? If your government was watching your family with suspicion and had been for quite a few decades, would you just sit back and do nothing? If that same government then accused your family of a horrendous crime, for which they have no evidence that your family committed it. Would you just sit back and do nothing?

Yes you can blame them, Hiruzen clearly wanted to talk with them, Besides, The village was right, it was an Uchiha who controlled the kyuubi. If anything their little coup confirmed that they could not be trusted. Instead of them being smart and using itachi to gain trust and bridge the gap between the village and the uchiha, They decided to attack and potentially put the entire fire nation at risk of war.

@bold, There were only two ways of controlling the kyuubi, Mokuton user, Hashirama (who is dead) and Yamato. The other is a mangekyou sharingan
Now since during the attack there was no mokuton presant during the attack, The only other option is a mangekyou sharingan user and the only wielders of that are uchiha.

They were the only choice and in the end they were correct.

It seems like everyone just wanted Sasuke to just accept the fact that his entire clan was massacred for a "peace" that wasn't going to last at all, and for the happiness of a bunch of strangers he didn't even know. This whole show seems to be about conforming to the evils of your corrupt village while also preaching about peace and stopping hatred. At least someone tried to go against the grain, but was foiled simply for plot reasons.

You mean just like how you uchiha fans expect to accept the fact sasuke was going to Kill naruto, Current kages, anyone who opposed him for his idea of "peace" that wasn't going to last either?.
All peace is temporary.

The entire shinobi system is about turning children into mindless bots that are loyal to their villages, and I have to admire Sasuke for putting his love for his family before the village, but after he spoke to the Hokage I was quite disappointed. Itachi's sacrifice was already fulfilled, it seems like Itachi get's to play God in every scenario and get's exactly what he wants. The five-village system should have just been deconstructed from the beginning, Hagoromo knew what he was doing when it came to Ninshu.

It's their and their parents choice for them to become shinobi, No one if forcing it upon them.

Itachi could see the bigger picture, The lives of those lost in a civil war and the potential collapse of the entire nation if other villages decided attack to get their hands on their secret techniques and a few Dojutsu while their at it while the fire nation is fighting amongst it's self easily outways the life of one clan.

Well what isn't admirable about wanting to slaughter an entire village of innocent Men, Women and children that had nothing to do with the uchiha's death.
 

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Naruto's feats were only achievable by him because he had a tailed-beast sealed inside of him, it's like blaming Naruto for not reaching Sasuke's feats, Naruto doesn't have any dojutsu.

What? Now it's about power?

Naruto's personality is the reason for him achieving peace in the end.

No matter how much power one has, if the person follows a different path, they'll get different results.

Like Madara, Obito, Pain...etc. They all had power, but they failed in the end because they had a different view on the world. They all thought that Naruto's way was naïve, but in the end he was the one to succeed.
 

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Yes you can blame them, Hiruzen clearly wanted to talk with them, Besides, The village was right, it was an Uchiha who controlled the kyuubi. If anything their little coup confirmed that they could not be trusted. Instead of them being smart and using itachi to gain trust and bridge the gap between the village and the uchiha, They decided to attack and potentially put the entire fire nation at risk of war.


Okay, so Sasuke can blame the entire village right? It was a Konoha shinobi that slaughtered the entire Uchiha Clan, and a Konoha elder that ordered the job to be done. So clearly, Sasuke should have free reign to do whatever he wants to the village right? I feel you bro. Konoha clearly can't be trusted, I mean it WAS Danzo that revealed secrets that the Uzumaki clan entrusted Konoha with to the other shinobi villages which resulted in the Uzumaki genocide.

Don't you love blaming an entire group of people for the actions of a few?
 

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these ppl say Naruto doesn't borrow power from bijuu, so they won't cop to this either
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these ppl say Naruto doesn't borrow power from bijuu, so they won't cop to this either

Well if that isn't some shit..
 
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