why are people underrating hashirama by saying nagato can beat him?

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You think that is all Hashirama can do? If you think so then go see a doctor, Senju the clan name itself stands for "The Clan with a Thousand Skills/hands"
and Hashirama's scrolls are filled with Kinjutsus that he later on had to seal because he was afraid that it might get in the wrong hands.

It's sad how people still ignore the OP, the OP clearly said: all im saying is people shouldn't be saying nagato>>hashirama if we havent even seen hashirama's whole arsonal and havent seen him in battle.
That is exactly the same thing I always say to guys who are arguing between characters that we haven't even seen fighting for god's sake.

Now I am not saying that Hashirama > Nagato, not yet though, what is there to compare from a guy we've seen at his full strength and a guy we haven't even seen clearly fighting full on using all of his techniques.

It's either one or the other. Right now Nagato is stronger until we see some more of Hashirama. What I don't like is when people say Hashirama > Nagato he's probably got more, not saying you said that.
 

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nagato can bring the dead back to life nuff said lmao.
And how can that help Nagato? Hashirama > Everyone expect Tobi and current Madara.
 

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It's either one or the other. Right now Nagato is stronger until we see some more of Hashirama. What I don't like is when people say Hashirama > Nagato he's probably got more, not saying you said that.

If you'd read my post properly you'd realise that I just quoted the OP, and he is right
I said that for now Nagato > Hashirama because we don't know if Hashirama has abilities that can counter Rinnegan abilities, but simply the Senju Clan itself stands for "The Clan with a Thousand Skills/Hands" and Hashirama had 3-4 scrolls filled with Kinjutsu that he later on had to seal, this can imply that Hashirama, obviously, could do way more then just those 4 attacks you said.
 

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edo madara>hashirama

hashirama>everyone thats not edo madara(excluding the sage and his sons)
 

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Hashy is weak because he lacks hatred xd
 

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hashirama makes 25 mokuton clones. mokuton clones would back hashirama up.

mokuton clones are extremely durable and will not disappear after normal shinra tenseis. preta path cannot absorb mokuton. nagato wouldnt be able to place his hand on hashirama to use human path. asura missles are blocked by wood walls and mokuton trees. animal path summons are restrained by mokuton. (hashirama can make his clones do this so he can keep focusing on nagato.) hell realm is kinda useless in this fight. on top of this hashirama with his weapon mastery can use mokuton branches with shurikens and demon wind shurikens hit the summons blindspots. to top it off he can heal from any attack that nagato gives to him. to counter chibaku tensei hashirama makes a fort of wood around himself or maybe he forces his way out of it by making a forest while inside chibaku tensei. that would be an epic sight to see.
 
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i say if hashirama killed madara while madara is at full power and 'madara' is ****ing up the five kages while not at full power hashirama could whoip anyone ass
 

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hashirama makes 25 mokuton clones. mokuton clones would back hashirama up.

mokuton clones are extremely durable and will not disappear after normal shinra tenseis. preta path cannot absorb mokuton. nagato wouldnt be able to place his hand on hashirama to use human path. asura missles are blocked by wood walls and mokuton trees. animal path summons are restrained by mokuton. (hashirama can make his clones do this so he can keep focusing on nagato.) hell realm is kinda useless in this fight. on top of this hashirama with his weapon mastery can use mokuton branches with shurikens and demon wind shurikens hit the summons blindspots. to top it off he can heal from any attack that nagato gives to him. to counter chibaku tensei hashirama makes a fort of wood around himself or maybe he forces his way out of it by making a forest while inside chibaku tensei. that would be an epic sight to see.

Nagato should be able to use his paths to back him up, I don't see why not since he can just summon them with animal path.

Petra path absorbs any ninjutsu backed up by the databooks. Mokuton is ninjutsu therefore it can be absorbed.

His mokuton would have a hard time restraining 9 boss summons. 1 he can't see and another splits everytime it's hit. Hashirama is also going to have a hard time restricting gedo maze which choji butterfly mode and his dad got easily overpowered, it also block the commanders earth sandwich technique with little difficulty.

Btw where did it say mokuton clones are more durable? I believe you but I just want to know.

Nagato can also heal from any attack with Nakara path. All I know is Hashirama's healing technique drains a lot of chakra, it's the same one as Tsunades?

I'm not sure about the chibaki tensei solution. The forest would just be absorbed into it, he would need to destroy the core since it's a gravity technique.

Chibaki tensei is this big
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Whilst the biggest mokuton forest we've seen looks smaller to me.
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I'm happy to change my views on Nagato vs Hashirama if somebody can give a good argument why Hashirama wins.

Okay you could look at it like this

Harashima is one of the durect decendents of the two most power ninja in the world whishch was one of the sons of the sage of 6 paths. The person who created the moon and all. Also Madara has said pretty much that Tsunade's ability to regenerate is not at all par with Harshima him being able to Heal better and faster than her without handsigns. Also we can infer that he is Stronger then Tsunade also Seeing as Madara was beatin By Him and Tsunade is barely standing a chance despite her Hecuelean Strength!
 
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