why are people underrating hashirama by saying nagato can beat him?

[nagato58]

nagato cant be beat ppl. not even by tobi or madara. why cant u see the fact that nagato is pretty much undefeatable. no one can take his big scale shinra tensei

 

[The Necromancer]

didnt itachi say nagato found kabuto for him?

That's the lie itachi told.

 

[Yveltal]

didnt itachi say nagato found kabuto for him?

Quit multiposting :flaw:

 

[madali]

nagato can bring the dead back to life nuff said lmao.

 

[White Fang18]

Maybe this may sound crazy but maybe; Hiruzen was able to beat two Hokages at the same time, and both, the First and the Second were just Killing machines with no consious whatsoever, just to destroy their objective, this being said, Hiruzen beat both of them, and this means and even was stated in the manga itself, Hiruzen was stronger than the first two Hokages before him, now Hiruzen would never beat Madara, yet the First was stronger than Madara, and problably this means that Hashirama was the only shinobi able to fight Madara, like the saying that goes, "it was a job that could be accomplished by just one person", makes sense? I'm not saying that the first was not strong or he is weak, that has been stated and proved maybe, Hashirama was a complete badass, also Madara, but the Third was stronger than the First and the Third would not beat Madara, only the First, and once again is was a job that only one man could do because of his skills. I hope you guys find this rasonable and that makes sense :shrug:

 

[madali]

Kk lets see Itachi > Nagato... (maybe plot no jutsu but manga has it all, dont like it? Can't help it its been done)
Many people believe Madara > Itachi and other Uchiha.

The Shodai > Madara...
Do the math :]
Not a fan boy, just saying... also no one knows till kishi reveals.

how is itachi better than nagato. thats bull shit Rinnegan>sharingan any day

 

[6pathofpain]

That's the lie itachi told.

are you sure?

 

[cejay29]

threads like these are never gonna end are they lol. its fun to talk about but in the end unless its in the manga we wont ever know who will win vs who, and even then it'll just be to further the story :shrug:

 

[Tazzilla88]

Hashi's counter for
Preta Path?
Chibaku Tensei (Don't even think about saying he destroys it with mokuton. His mokuton would snap like twigs under the pressure of such strong gravity and he'd be crushed by his own wood.)?
Gedo Mazo?
Bansho Tensei- Human Path Combo
The summoning of his six paths?
Hashi is strong but let's not overrate based on pure hype.
I can argue Hashi could beat Pain if Nagato didn't have his summons. Gedo Mazo ensures Hashi's defeat here.

 

[PureSkillz]

Lol so you guys say Hiruzen > Hashi, but Hashi > Nagato?
That's ridiculous.

What can Hashirama do that Nagato can't counter? What does he have other than Bringer of Darkness, Wood Style, and healing abilities?

IMO Wood Style is overrated.

 

[cozolinofly]

If Nagato rapes Hashirama then Naruto will also beat Hashirama and also madara .right?..:|:flaw:

 

[Tazzilla88]

If Nagato rapes Hashirama then Naruto will also beat Hashirama and also madara .right?..:|:flaw:

Power isn't linear. Gai isn't stronger than Kisame but he fought kisame's weakness.
Hashirama could suppress the Kyuubi Chakra. And without the help of Kurama Naruto<Hashirama and Naruto<Nagato. I would also like to point out that Naruto didn't solo Nagato. Firstly, showing up for part 2 of the same battle is not the same as starting a battle with all members fresh.

 

[daviddragon]

i agreed this

 

[cozolinofly]

Power isn't linear. Gai isn't stronger than Kisame but he fought kisame's weakness.
Hashirama could suppress the Kyuubi Chakra. And without the help of Kurama Naruto<Hashirama and Naruto<Nagato. I would also like to point out that Naruto didn't solo Nagato. Firstly, showing up for part 2 of the same battle is not the same as starting a battle with all members fresh.

i was ironic......

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

I don't see how fat pain counters moukton
Deva yea robo maybe.....?
But flower world multiple biju powerful genjutsu & ten ten like weaponry (100x better ) is too much not to mention multi shadow clone & moukton clones

People just love negato IDK Y but ima leave it at that

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

You do know that nakara path can also heal injuries right, people seem to forget this?.

Anyway how hashirama is going to keep up with about 8/9 different summoning plus nagato is beyond me

I mean Naraka Path has been seen to heal the Six Paths of Pain bodies, but there is no mention of them being able to heal physical injuries the Rinnegan user themselves.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Power isn't linear. Gai isn't stronger than Kisame but he fought kisame's weakness.
Hashirama could suppress the Kyuubi Chakra. And without the help of Kurama Naruto<Hashirama and Naruto<Nagato. I would also like to point out that Naruto didn't solo Nagato. Firstly, showing up for part 2 of the same battle is not the same as starting a battle with all members fresh.

Likewise, the Sharingan is supposed to be able to control and suppress the Kyuubi....

Yet Minato sealed the Kyuubi into his own son after fighting a supposed Uchiha clan member. Not only a supposed Uchiha clan member, but one he assumed to be Madara, who was KNOWN to control the Kyuubi.

Possibly hinting that a Naruto in control of the Kyuubi chakra would be different than the Kyuubi taking Naruto over and fighting itself.

 

[MadaraUchiha449]

i agree and i have one thing to say if people say the renningan can solo anyone then how come naruto beat him? sorry but who ever says that it can solo anyone they are talking shit

 

[Midday]

i agree and i have one thing to say if people say the renningan can solo anyone then how come naruto beat him? sorry but who ever says that it can solo anyone they are talking shit

Read the manga and you'll see exactly how Naruto defeated him.

I'd like to see an arguement supported by feats how Hashirama gets past deva+petra path with 9 boss summons.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Lol so you guys say Hiruzen > Hashi, but Hashi > Nagato?
That's ridiculous.

What can Hashirama do that Nagato can't counter? What does he have other than Bringer of Darkness, Wood Style, and healing abilities?

IMO Wood Style is overrated.

You think that is all Hashirama can do? If you think so then go see a doctor, Senju the clan name itself stands for "The Clan with a Thousand Skills/hands"
and Hashirama's scrolls are filled with Kinjutsus that he later on had to seal because he was afraid that it might get in the wrong hands.

It's sad how people still ignore the OP, the OP clearly said: all im saying is people shouldn't be saying nagato>>hashirama if we havent even seen hashirama's whole arsonal and havent seen him in battle.
That is exactly the same thing I always say to guys who are arguing between characters that we haven't even seen fighting for god's sake.

Now I am not saying that Hashirama > Nagato, not yet though, what is there to compare from a guy we've seen at his full strength and a guy we haven't even seen clearly fighting full on using all of his techniques.