why are people underrating hashirama by saying nagato can beat him?

[Prince Charles]

He can counter that easily by...

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If Nagato uses that technique then it will drain most of his chakara and weaken him. Hashirama can just hide within his Mokuton while he let his wood clones fight. Plus if Hashirama created the flower tree world then Nagato would have to stay high in the air away from the pollen.

can always count on zato

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

because feats > hype

& using logic Rinnegan > Wood release

 

[Blaze Release]

I've been saying for awhile that Hashirama is more powerful then Nagato. The dude can instantly heal his wounds and wood clones and he can create a forest within an instant.

You do know that nakara path can also heal injuries right, people seem to forget this?.

Anyway how hashirama is going to keep up with about 8/9 different summoning plus nagato is beyond me

 

[Zato]

Hashirama's Mokuton is so special man. Madara is doing a great job showing it off too. He has so many crazy abilities that he can take advantage of like the Bringer of Darkness Technique which is similar to a genjutsu that turns anything his opponent sees into darkness and allows Hashirama to attack while his opponent is basically blind.

 

[MorphyRulez]

He can counter that easily by...

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If Nagato uses that technique then it will drain most of his chakara and weaken him. Hashirama can just hide within his Mokuton while he let his wood clones fight. Plus if Hashirama created the flower tree world then Nagato would have to stay high in the air away from the pollen.

Nagato is able to track him with chakra./Sense

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And this dragon is PHANTOM, it can pass through any wood or tree. Can't you see that? :shrug:

 

[Dantee]

kabuto's words>your words

Not if people misinterpret them.

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

Nagato is power source, but that's about it. There are many shinobi who could defeat him.

What!? Many shinobi who can beat Nagato?!? The only people who who can hope to beat Nagato are Madara and Hashirama, the rest get schooled, including Naruto!!

 

[Zato]

Nagato is able to track him with chakra./Sense

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And this dragon is PHANTOM, it can pass through any wood or tree. Can't you see that? :shrug:

Nagato can sense chakara but if Hashirama's wood clones have his chakara then it really doesn't matter. The same thing happened with Naruto vs Deva path and pretty much Naruto vs Pain. I don't know why you think that dragon technique can go through the ground and or w/e. From the way it looks in the manga is floats above solid objects. But if you can prove it which I doubt you can then I will agree with you.

Actually the dragon can't go through the ground. After re-watching his fight with Hanzo, the dragon actually made contact with the ground and destroyed to top layer of the ground when it went after Hanzo. So this means it can't phase through the ground after all.

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

What!? Many shinobi who can beat Nagato?!? The only people who who can hope to beat Nagato are Madara and Hashirama, the rest get schooled, including Naruto!!

You forgot Tobi :noc:

 

[Exaar]

Lol

Kabuto Only Say's his Strength was considered a Fairytale like the Sage's, This doesn't put him On or Anywhere close to the Sages Strength.

Also nagato was Dead at the time he said that, So he wasn't Included.

 

[Zato]

Lol

Kabuto Only Say's his Strength was considered a Fairytale like the Sage's, This doesn't put him On or Anywhere close to the Sages Strength.

Also nagato was Dead at the time he said that, So he wasn't Included.

Except you forget that Kabuto had Nagato as a Edo and he basically used "almost" every technique that Nagato had.

 

[Exaar]

Except you forget that Kabuto had Nagato as a Edo and he basically used "almost" every technique that Nagato had.

And that Proves What?

 

[kiiroi senk0u]

IMO i just find it hilarious how people say nagato can beat hashirama soley on the fact that he's has ''rinnegan''

Since when did special eye's mean an instant victory?
we have yet to even see hashirama's whole arsenal or his abilities.

Then people bring the whole rinnegan can solo anyone and nagato is closest to the so6p...​

Are we forgetting kabuto said this.

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HIS strength was considered a fairy just like the sage of six paths

all im saying is people shouldn't be saying nagato>>hashirama if we havent even seen hashirama's whole arsonal and havent seen him in battle.

~CHARLES OUT~U_U

and look at my sig

i agree with you

and your sig is nice

 

[Zato]

And that Proves What?

That proves he knows about Nagato's abilities because he was controlling Nagato. Kabuto had a plan in capturing Bee and Naruto with Nagato's abilities so that tells you what? The fact that he considered Madara's Rinnegan the "true" SO6P powers tells you that Nagato's Rinnegan abilities was watered down.

 

[MorphyRulez]

Nagato can sense chakara but if Hashirama's wood clones have his chakara then it really doesn't matter. The same thing happened with Naruto vs Deva path and pretty much Naruto vs Pain. I don't know why you think that dragon technique can go through the ground and or w/e. From the way it looks in the manga is floats above solid objects. But if you can prove it which I doubt you can then I will agree with you.

Actually the dragon can't go through the ground. After re-watching his fight with Hanzo, the dragon actually made contact with the ground and destroyed to top layer of the ground when it went after Hanzo. So this means it can't phase through the ground after all.

If it was called Phantom it's an ability. It can pass through people but cant wood? When human flesh/bone become transparent? Anyway it would destroy his woods too if you are saying that way.
BTW it's just a one techs Hashirama should fear there are still 6 paths too.

 

[Exaar]

That proves he knows about Nagato's abilities because he was controlling Nagato. Kabuto had a plan in capturing Bee and Naruto with Nagato's abilities so that tells you what? The fact that he considered Madara's Rinnegan the "true" SO6P powers tells you that Nagato's Rinnegan abilities was watered down.

We Already Know Nagato's Jutsu's wern't on the Sages Level.
He Admited it himself.

I still fail to see what that has to do with him Fighting Hashirama

 

[MorphyRulez]

That proves he knows about Nagato's abilities because he was controlling Nagato. Kabuto had a plan in capturing Bee and Naruto with Nagato's abilities so that tells you what? The fact that he considered Madara's Rinnegan the "true" SO6P powers tells you that Nagato's Rinnegan abilities was watered down.

By your logic Hiruzen > Hashirama + Tobirama or Hiruzen = Hashirama+Tobirama+Orochimaru. You can not give an example from Edo's they are controlling by another person who has not fully know their full talents.

 

[Zato]

If it was called Phantom it's an ability. It can pass through people but cant wood? When human flesh/bone become transparent? Anyway it would destroy his woods too if you are saying that way.
BTW it's just a one techs Hashirama should fear there are still 6 paths too.

You act like Hashirama only has one ability... He has a lot that Nagato should fear him self. I really can't see how you think Nagato could defeat Hashirama. But w/e, you are entitled to your opinion. In my eyes Hashirama is stronger then Nagato.

 

[Midday]

You act like Hashirama only has one ability... He has a lot that Nagato should fear him self. I really can't see how you think Nagato could defeat Hashirama. But w/e, you are entitled to your opinion. In my eyes Hashirama is stronger then Nagato.

Everything Hashirama has shown can be countered by Nagato, that's why people are saying he wins. What does he have that Nagato should fear? Mokuton? Petra and deva path can handle that. It's not an opinion that Nagato is stronger it's currently fact until Kishi shows something that would beat Nagato.

Sorry, the "He hasn't shown everything he's got" argument is just a cop out.

 

[Zato]

By your logic Hiruzen > Hashirama + Tobirama or Hiruzen = Hashirama+Tobirama+Orochimaru. You can not give an example from Edo's they are controlling by another person who has not fully know their full talents.

See here is what you don't understand. Kabuto was controlling Nagato specifically on his own. The other Edo are even though under his control they are just following orders to kill the enemy. Kabuto was actually controlling what Nagato did vs Naruto+Bee+Itachi. What sense would it make that Kabuto can control Edo's on the battle field at that level? It would be entirely impossible for Kabuto to control that many Edo's on that level if you get what I am saying.

We Already Know Nagato's Jutsu's wern't on the Sages Level.
He Admited it himself.

I still fail to see what that has to do with him Fighting Hashirama

I'm going by what you said in your first post. Which from the way I read it your basically saying Kabuto wasn't comparing Nagato to the SO6P because he was dead at that time. In which possibly Kabuto hadn't witnessed his power to make that assumption. Or are you referring to something else?

Everything Hashirama has shown can be countered by Nagato, that's why people are saying he wins. What does he have that Nagato should fear? Mokuton? Petra and deva path can handle that. It's not an opinion that Nagato is stronger it's currently fact until Kishi shows something that would beat Nagato.

Sorry, the "He hasn't shown everything he's got" argument is just a cop out.

You do know your argument works both ways. What can Nagato do that Hashirama cannot counter? Also I don't know where you got "He hasn't shown everything he's got" from. I've never stated such a thing.