Why all the hate against Tobirama?

[P3ĮÑ]

Because of his one talk madara changed his ways.... He became evil

 

[Durante]

It's because he tried to assert control over one type of group, his open mistrust and his hate for the Uchihas could be labeled as racism in the real world, he was obviously frustrated that the Uchihas are unpredictable who get stronger by his increasing extremalism, this same kind of iron fist runs in the sharia law.

 

[Bluntss]

The hate comes because Tobirama, who does not trust the Uchiha even after they have made an alliance. Hashirama and Madara were becoming friends, but this clearly changed when Madara heard the conversation between Hashirama and Tobirama. Madara realises that even after the alliance, some people(Tobirama) do not trust the Uchiha, and therefore makes the conclusion that the Uchiha is not safe in the village. Lets imagine if Tobirama was able to let go of his hatred towards the Uchiha and that he never had that conversation with Hashirama. This would clearly give a much more peaceful outcome. Tobirama is the main cause of why the Uchiha have been suffering throughout history. Thats why Tobirama sucks

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Nobody makes you do anything, its all about personal choice.
Naruto was neglected by the village, why isn't he evil? :|

cause sarutobi made iruka befriend him also because he held on that there was some good in the world i mean have u forgotten about the whole water fall of truth chapter he had his rage and evil surpessed by a thread

 

[DeathandEnvy]

cause sarutobi made iruka befriend him also because he held on that there was some good in the world i mean have u forgotten about the whole water fall of truth chapter he had his rage and evil surpessed by a thread

Agreed

 

[LordRevan]

That would be a selfish and unrealistic approach. Its better to do it the democratic approach. Although, I don't much agree with pure democracy as the minority is always left with the bad end of the stick. That's why I like democratic republics. Majority rule, minority rights.

Do you know what a realistic approach is?

Realistic approach isn't calling the clan who protected Konoha through 3 world wars.. a clan possessed by a evil.

Realistic approach isn't keep yapping and yapping on and on about the evil the Uchiha present.. yet you yourself have hatred inside.

Realistic approach isn't to segregate a whole clan because you think they might be a threat.

Those aren't realistic approaches.. and those are all done by Tobirama.

Nobody makes you do anything, its all about personal choice.
Naruto was neglected by the village, why isn't he evil? :|

Re-watch the first episode. He didn't turn evil only because of Iruka. Gaara changed because of Naruto.

 

[HadouKage]

Re-watch the first episode. He didn't turn evil only because of Iruka. Gaara changed because of Naruto.

cause sarutobi made iruka befriend him also because he held on that there was some good in the world i mean have u forgotten about the whole water fall of truth chapter he had his rage and evil surpessed by a thread

It's still all about personal choice, Sasuke didn't turn evil and his whole clan was slaughtered at the hands of his own brother (until Shippuden). Nothing said for Madara does not justify his actions especially "because his clan turned his back on him"

 

[DeathandEnvy]

Do you know what a realistic approach is?

Realistic approach isn't calling the clan who protected Konoha through 3 world wars.. a clan possessed by a evil.

Realistic approach isn't keep yapping and yapping on and on about the evil the Uchiha present.. yet you yourself have hatred inside.

Realistic approach isn't to segregate a whole clan because you think they might be a threat.

Those aren't realistic approaches.. and those are all done by Tobirama.


Re-watch the first episode. He didn't turn evil only because of Iruka. Gaara changed because of Naruto.

Talk no jutsu

 

[LordRevan]

It's still all about personal choice, Sasuke didn't turn evil and his whole clan was slaughtered at the hands of his own brother (until Shippuden). Nothing said for Madara does not justify his actions especially "because his clan turned his back on him"

Influence effects your personal choices. We are talking about who was right... Hashirama or Tobirama. Not if Madara killing people was right.

Talk no jutsu

Biggest Justu in the manga and real life xD

 

[HadouKage]

Influence effects your personal choices. We are talking about who was right... Hashirama or Tobirama. Not if Madara killing people was right.

Biggest Justu in the manga and real life xD

I know what the discussion is about, I can read. Someone stated that Madara shouldn't be blamed because he was exiled from his clan. Of course influence affects decisions however that does not negate that personal choice is a soul factor in outcomes

 

[Durante]

I know what the discussion is about, I can read. Someone stated that Madara shouldn't be blamed because he was exiled from his clan. Of course influence affects decisions however that does not negate that personal choice is a soul factor in outcomes

The thing is, there are always factors contributing to your decision in life, when all the bad shit going down around you, and then from your perception you see what's good (in your mind) you find the will power to do what's in your mind good, in my opinion the table that Madara mentions interprets in the Light vs dark concept: Good vs bad which must exist so there is always competition and progression, both concepts are multi-depend on one another, just like the body cannot live without the mind, just like an awesome ninja headband without a wearier.

 

[DeathandEnvy]

The thing is, there are always factors contributing to your decision in life, when all the bad shit going down around you, and then from your perception you see what's good (in your mind) you find the will power to do what's in your mind good, in my opinion the table that Madara mentions interprets in the Light vs dark concept: Good vs bad which must exist so there is always competition and progression, both concepts are multi-depend on one another, just like the body cannot live without the mind, just like an awesome ninja headband without a wearier.

This is perfectly written good job! repped

 

[foxyladyland]

I like tobirama so I don't hate himXD

 

[Durante]

This is perfectly written good job! repped

I think it's Mary Jane doing all the work

 

[drknght]

He didn't do anything wrong when he was talking with Hashirama, he pointed out facts, and the fact was that Hashirama should have let the village vote on the first hokage, he did make some mistakes as the second hokage but still. He was a good one nonethless specially sacrificing himself to save Hiruzen and Danzo plus rest of his squad.

He's a democrat... ergo idiot.

 

[Wes Sine]

He is trash after all

cause he didnt know how to handle uchiha angry issues

As a said many times before, the stupidest thing I have seen on the Base: "Hating an unreal character. . . ?" :|

Stupidest or not they have the right to do it and they will if they want to however the truth is haters gona hate and some of them do it like its instinct you cant stop that

 

[Strata Uchiha]

He didn't do anything wrong when he was talking with Hashirama, he pointed out facts, and the fact was that Hashirama should have let the village vote on the first hokage, he did make some mistakes as the second hokage but still. He was a good one nonethless specially sacrificing himself to save Hiruzen and Danzo plus rest of his squad.

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[spike2068]

The thing is, there are always factors contributing to your decision in life, when all the bad shit going down around you, and then from your perception you see what's good (in your mind) you find the will power to do what's in your mind good, in my opinion the table that Madara mentions interprets in the Light vs dark concept: Good vs bad which must exist so there is always competition and progression, both concepts are multi-depend on one another, just like the body cannot live without the mind, just like an awesome ninja headband without a wearier.

Thats all well and good and I know that naruto had iruka right? Well madara had hasirama so he still has no excuse

 

[Durante]

Thats all well and good and I know that naruto had iruka right? Well madara had hasirama so he still has no excuse

Iruka was a mentor and like a father to naruto, at that time he was only growing up and still pure. It's not easy to change a grown man from his deep-rooted views. It's the bonds when broken amongst people that fuel grief, Naruto's first broken bond was with Sasuke, now look at him, desperately chasing after this friend, who never even considered the lengths his best friend has come through for him.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Becaue he casted the Uchiha .