Whose Smarter Itachi or Shikamaru
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the way you're looking at it is why some is saying shikamaru is smarter, "because itachi haven't really been shown to fight any battles" so he isn't battle strategic? and yet still, he easily did away with chibaku tensei while under pressure, that means while about to be sucked up, he analyzed and found the weak spot, and then came up with a solution to stop it in a matter of minutes. lol, and that was only one battle we have seen him in thus far. when shikamaru thinks his friends are about to die, he panics, he was quoted saying something like, "I don't have the time to think" or something like that during the asuma fight, and no I don't think it was when asuma was about to get stabbed in the heart, it was sometime earlier than that, in fact throughout the battle he kept doubting saying, "is there even a plan that will work against them" but itachi just stays calm and never doubts, besides being considered a genius at the academy I think he also became smarter through experience in battle.
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Wow this is really close 
I say Itachi. He had lots of brains from early childhood that have even led him to get out of a jutsu that seemed impossible to get rid of. My opinion. Go ahead and flame it lol
I say Itachi. He had lots of brains from early childhood that have even led him to get out of a jutsu that seemed impossible to get rid of. My opinion. Go ahead and flame it lol
the winner is already decided and the poll says it shika is smarter hw was the only one among his pairs who became a chunin though he lost the match he showed intellectual capabilities when making the team to get sasuke and fight atasuski
You know, kishi"made asuma say, Shik IQ was off the chart's so shik is beyond genius. he is liike genius+polymath= extra plolymaticgenius XD if there was a word but ya he is smarter.
I would say Shikamaru because he is a child genius. Being at his age, he is able to read people and study them for a short amount of time. When he is able to study a person during a battle while holding them down with his shadow technique, I would call it amazing when he is able to figure out someone's technique and how they create it. In a short amount of time, he is able to
figure out the attacks of his opponents.
In the Chunin exam, he fought against Temari and he figured out her weakness in minutes.
While he fought against Hidan (Akatsuki), he figured out how Hidan is able to use rituals and have Hidan's enemies under his own will by using their blood. Against an Akatsuki member alone, it shows how much potential Shikamaru has against his enemies.
But due to the lack of screen time, Shikamaru has yet to show his true capabilities as a Chunin ninja.
you can have a 200 IQ but if you are looking at a question about stuff you've never heard before your IQ serves for nothing, that was the problem in the exam. And about shikamaru he is by far the most intelligent character in naruto world (even kakashi was astonished by he's capacity to create a plan with him at the last moment when they where fighting hidan).
Shikamaru if really practiced and studied he could become whatever he want, but to work is "such a drag" and that's why he is shikamaru the way we like it he only measures himself when is about the will of fire
I would say Shikamaru because he is a child genius. Being at his age, he is able to read people and study them for a short amount of time. When he is able to study a person during a battle while holding them down with his shadow technique, I would call it amazing when he is able to figure out someone's technique and how they create it. In a short amount of time, he is able to
figure out the attacks of his opponents.
In the Chunin exam, he fought against Temari and he figured out her weakness in minutes.
While he fought against Hidan (Akatsuki), he figured out how Hidan is able to use rituals and have Hidan's enemies under his own will by using their blood. Against an Akatsuki member alone, it shows how much potential Shikamaru has against his enemies.
But due to the lack of screen time, Shikamaru has yet to show his true capabilities as a Chunin ninja.
you can have a 200 IQ but if you are looking at a question about stuff you've never heard before your IQ serves for nothing, that was the problem in the exam. And about shikamaru he is by far the most intelligent character in naruto world (even kakashi was astonished by he's capacity to create a plan with him at the last moment when they where fighting hidan).
Shikamaru if really practiced and studied he could become whatever he want, but to work is "such a drag" and that's why he is shikamaru the way we like it he only measures himself when is about the will of fire
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no offense, but you do realize that you ignored a lot of what have already been said, and beside itachi WAS a child genius, you don't become LEADER of anbu at AGE 13!! with skills alone, to lead anbu which is a special team, you need to be extremely intelligent!! ANBU is no regular squad, the fact they took orders from him and relied on his judgement says a lot, itachi's genius is off the CHARTS!! and he didn't even have mangeyko, so that means no amaterasu, no tsukyomi, and no susano'o!! as strong as naruto was when he defeated pain, he was not ready to LEAD a village, he still does clumsy things, and despite the fact that naruto is stronger than shikamru, they sill made shikamaru leader whenever they teamed up, I'm saying it takes more than strength to lead, it takes intelligence, and itachi LEAD ANBU AT AGE 13!!
his intelligence is on a different level than shikamaru's
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and in the war Madara tried to kill him because he knew he would figure out a way to his strategy but choji saved him.
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I'm not saying Itachi isn't a good stratigist, just the opposite actually. He's very supurb in battle when it comes to his intellect. However, I have to disagree a bit about your comparison of his intellect in the same department as Shikamaru. The way he deducted Chibaku Tensai's abilities, I believe had something to do with the Sharingan. The Sharingan has the ability to copy jutsu, in order for that to happen shinobi must first break down the components of the jutsu in order to know how to use it. With that being said, kekkei genkai, which involve bloodline abilities imbeded into dna, can't be copied because somebody can't change their genetic make-up, or at least it hasn't been seen yet. However, that is not to say that one can't break down kekkei genkai based ninjutsu and understand it's works. I believe that in the first series, Kakashi said something along similar lines when he talked about Haku. He said that it didn't matter if he could read the jutsu, he couldn't copy the ice release because it was a Kekkei genkai (this was a very long time ago so don't quote me on that)
What I'm getting at is, Itachi's jutsu deduction skills and abilities are enhanced by his Sharingan and that plays into his intellect. Now if you base raw ability to deduct and rationalize things, Shikamaru has that category locked down. He uses no tricks other then his natural wits to duduce a jutsu and to come up with a strategy for defeating it. Also concerning Chibaku tensai, we don't have much of an idea of how Shikamaru would've handled the case. I'm not saying that he could've figured it out, I'm actually betting he couldn't in such a frantic battle (he'd probably be dead before then, in the middle of a battle with guys like Itachi, Nagato, Bee, and Naruto lol). However, what I'm saying is I don't think we've seen a peek to Shikamaru's ability to deduce his opponents abilities in the mist of battle.
Also we have to take into the account age in experience like you've said. Itachi is/was/currently portrayed by Edo Tensai 21 (I believe somewhere around that age) and Shikamaru is all of 16 years old. That's a good 5 year difference in their age. If you look at Shukaku (I know he's well over 21...he should be in his 40s actually), you see a calm and collected person, wise, and intelligent. Shukaku is even smarter then Shikamaru right now (IMO) so what could his IQ be lol. What I'm saying is, if you compare the two you have to take into account some factors like the age (for experience) and innate base ability (meaning Itachi without Sharingan when looking at deciphering abilities of one's opponent).
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okay the manga never stated that he used his sharingan to help break down nagato's move, itachi simply knows that every jutsu has a weakness as stated by him, he "analyzed" as also stated by him. here's what he basically did, he knew the technique didn't allow them to attack the user because they couldn't aim at him while about to be sucked up, so then he started looking for something he could attack, the only thing was that ball that everything was getting sucked into, and it was convenient because it would also suck up their attacks, he did this with his brain alone, which is what kishi wanted to show us, his calmness, and his intellect. and the sharingan does not make you smarter, if it's taken away he would not become dumber, not even a little because it's not connected to intelligence, which means even if he didn't have sharingan it would just mean that he would deduct differently in situations in which he would use his sharingan to see something to get a clue, let me put it a better way, taking away his sharingan does not make his IQ go down, if it's 240, it wouldn't go to 230, it has nothing to do with his intelligence whatsoever, and taking it away would not "reduce" his deduction skills but just "change" the way he deducts. experience may have something to do with it, but as for age, he was leader of anbu at 13!! that's an age 3 years younger than shikamaru, and also kakashi was also once anbu, but he was no leader.
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first of all you can't use this to determin your answer, why? because naruto had just return from training he had no idea of what shika was able to do at the time, that was just his memories of shika ability-if your going to use something, use what kakashi "said" when he realise what Shika plan was with they face Hidan, Kakashi is smart and gifted, but once's again without his sharingon, he is nothing-and half of the thing's Kakashi does along with his speed, come's from the sharingon, "hidan could have killed him" as far as sharingon, half of the thing's you see your fav "uchiha" does is not out of being smart, it's because their Keikei genkai is telling the the move's of the enemy before they even throw a punch, it's called "predicting" itachi is smart "yes" we all know this, but when it come's to IQ, no where near Shika. and again itachi vs kakashi- the reason why you thought Itachi was smarter is a miner set back, why? well because Itachi has sharingon in both, eye's and the stamia to mentain it, Kakashi doesn't so when his other plain eye is open it is easy for him to be in gen jutsu, that is why Itachi as always had a top over him, it wasn't really but "Smartness" it's about Pure breed against fake bread. if you are pure of something natrually you have an edge. as for kakashi vs shika ofc kakashi would win, why? well again because his "speed" amd "jutsu" and experiance's of "Nara" ability. (but if Kakashi were to give SHika time to think, it would be check mate for Kakashi. if you think shika think's slow, your just being stupid, why? it's but because he think's slow, it's because he is looking at every aspect of fail vs seccess? which mean's everything that could go wrong in a battle will never happen against him, because he know's. as for Kakashi and itachi well they are diff, they don't do that, they just act on one move and w.e happen's they have to adjust after the siutation fail, if they can. and one of the main reason why they can do this, is again "sharingon "predicting ability" and their experiances in situation's like that. but as for IQ, shika take's it and being smater, because he can also think quickly, and if you wise naruto ppl would of realize there is a reason why he does this now, because when he was chunin and had his first mission to save sasuke, he did not think he just acted amd yes he won his battle but, he failed this mission, that made him "sad" Kishi showed scene's on that(go rewatch it) so he made a promiss to himself never again, which is why he study everything like thousand time's in his head to make sure it goes right. but he can think fast. oh and another thing, someone said he needed ino to cheat in chunin exam, well guess what? "he was too lazy to do it"
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My vote is for Shikamaru.
+1 if the idea of a motivated Shikamaru makes you weep with fear/the sheer awesome.
+1 if the idea of a motivated Shikamaru makes you weep with fear/the sheer awesome.
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Outside of one occasion where he figured out chibaku tensei Itachi hasn't really shown intellect comparable to Shikamru. His plan for Sasuke was honestly one of the most poorly executed things I've ever heard of, he left a few fail safes after his death but really that's not genius, that's just being cautious. Shikamaru has shown on multiple occasions to be able turn anything to his advantage from the environment to even his opponent's psychology- that's a whole different level of smart.
Outside of one occasion where he figured out chibaku tensei Itachi hasn't really shown intellect comparable to Shikamru. His plan for Sasuke was honestly one of the most poorly executed things I've ever heard of, he left a few fail safes after his death but really that's not genius, that's just being cautious. Shikamaru has shown on multiple occasions to be able turn anything to his advantage from the environment to even his opponent's psychology- that's a whole different level of smart.
