Who's the best Genjutsu user? Shisui, Itachi, Madara Or Sasuke.

[Grades N Grabba]

Care to show proof of this?.

i cannot remember it been said or implying that shisui can use Kotoamatsukami without a cooldown nor any logical reason why the cooldown only affects users that aren't him.

If he could use it without cooldown then he would have on Danzo, Or he would of used it when he only had one eye Reamining.
Each Eye might have a separate cooldown meaning he can use Two KA's in 10 Years but taking the cooldown off completely wouldn't fit in with what happened to him plot wise.

That's not how you come to a manga conclusion.

- you should use what was said and not what wasn't or else that would be consider your opinion or fan fiction.

- The manga said the eye implanted in a bird would take 10 years, nothing more and nothing less.

- It also took kakashi more than 10 years to unlock Obito MS.

- It took Nagato more than 10 years to awaken the gedo statue after getting madara's eye.

- Understand my point?

All you prove is that their rinnegans vision was connected to obito's which is common knowledge and again has nothing to do with him using sharingan genjutsu to controll the Bijuu..

Didn't I also prove that he used the Rinnegan chakra rods to control them too?

Mei and Shisui never met. Nor are they ever mentioned in the same panel. Nor has Mei even ever seen Shisui to our knowledge.

Meant to say Mei right hand man Ao.

Ao stated that he had encountered Shisui before and his sharingan- not his KA. However, his KA was heard about. The same way people heard of other MS techs.

He said he'd never forget KA which Danzo activated / was using.

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He had his other eye left which had been used on a mission prior and was on cool-down.

This is called fan fiction.

He gave it to Itachi for safe-keeping and so that Danzo would not get it if he came back for it. Otherwise, Shisui would have used that eye to KA Fugaku and delay the coup for a time.

This I agree with.

There's also no way Itachi himself could know how long KA's cool-down time was if Shisui didn't tell him.

This is called fan fiction.

then in the databook it states that KA needs Senju DNA to lessen the charge-time. So, yes this goes for everyone. Even Shisui.

The databook is not cannon.

 

[Char Aznable]

Madara solo'ed the entire planet.

 

[Chie]

He said he'd never forget KA which Danzo activated / was using.

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He'd never forget the color... of Shisui's chakra. Shisui's sharingan when in use will always have the same color. It doesn't magically change color when KA is used. This just means he used a genjutsu in Ao's presence but not necessarily KA.

The animators even took this as it not being KA when Shisui encountered Ao. They had him using 3-tomoe genjutsu.

This is called fan fiction.

It was on cool-down, so that means he used it before. Quite canon.

This I agree with.

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This is called fan fiction.

There's no way for Itachi to know.

And if you really do believe that Shisui was exempt from this rule- then it would make him an idiot with a hax genjutsu who gave up and didn't bother to wait and use his remaining eye instead of bequeathing his eye to his 13 yr old best friend. I don't think Kishimoto would demote Shisui's intellect like that, so for all purposes he does still have the cool-down time.

The databook is not cannon.

Kishimoto and his staff write it and he needs to approve the overall work.

 

[Grades N Grabba]

He'd never forget the color... of Shisui's chakra. Shisui's sharingan when in use will always have the same color. It doesn't magically change color when KA is used. This just means he used a genjutsu in Ao's presence but not necessarily KA.

The animators even took this as it not being KA when Shisui encountered Ao. They had him using 3-tomoe genjutsu.

He said he fought Shisui before and he knew the feeling of KA that's why he checked to make sure.

It was on cool-down, so that means he used it before. Quite canon.

This is still called fan fin. Can you show a scan proving otherwise?

Kishimoto and his staff write it and he needs to approve the overall work.

So kishimoto and his staff approved the following.

- Temari is a universe buster.

- Kaguya and Hagaromo are the only ones with any Rinnegan.

There's a few more which I forgot, but you get the point.
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If you now realized that you're not right, then thnx for making this discussions some what interesting.

 

[Exaar]

That's not how you come to a manga conclusion.

Well it is.

Cooldown stated to be 10 Year, The cooldown was stated to be reduced by the first hokages cells.

Never stated to have a decreased cooldown for the original user what so ever in the manga or databooks.

you should use what was said and not what wasn't or else that would be consider your opinion or fan fiction.

I am using what was said and what was said was the 10 year cooldown. What wasn't said was that shisui had no such cooldown

So yeah you kind of shot your own argument in the foot.

- It also took kakashi more than 10 years to unlock Obito MS.

You saw kakashi's eye change to MS when he was a teenager after killing rin.

- It took Nagato more than 10 years to awaken the gedo statue after getting madara's eye.

We don't know the time frame it took nagato to learn to summon it.
Your taking random events such as Kakashi/Nagato and trying to connect them.

Understand my point?

I understand it but it's baseless and you have zero proof of any of your claims.

If your claims were corect, Madara would of had to of waited 10 years before using Obito's Ms when he stole it from kakashi but he didn't. He used it instantly.

Didn't I also prove that he used the Rinnegan chakra rods to control them too?

While completely ignoring the sharingan reflected in the bijuu's eyes.

He said he'd never forget KA which Danzo activated / was using.

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No he was talking about the colour of the chakra, He simply put two and two together.

This is called fan fiction.

Well if he was told or Itachi randomly pulled a number out of his ass.

Otherwise how would itachi know the cooldown if he had never used it

The databook is not cannon.

Yes they are.

The databooks are written to give us information about Cannon that kishi did not go into detail about. The databooks are just as much cannon as the manga it's self.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Itachi
Sasuke
Shisui
Madara

 

[DHOH]

Itachi
Madara
Sasuke
Shisui

 

[Grades N Grabba]

Ok, it's settled. this is my final reply to you.


- You deny the fact that the manga said nothing about Shisui having cool down time.


- You refuse to acknowledge that Obito also used the Rinnegan chakra rods to control the bijuu's.


- You said you're using what was said, then openly stated that.


''I am using what was said and what was said was the 10 year cooldown. What wasn't said was that shisui had no such cooldowm''.



- You also said, ''You saw kakashi's eye change to MS when he was a teenager after killing rin''.

Knowing full well that obito saw what was happening through kakashi's eye and then awaken his and kakashi ms again.

(Obito had already awaken both MS when the boulder crushed his left side).



- You proceed by saying ''We don't know the time frame it took nagato to learn to summon it''. When we all saw teenage nagato summoning the mazo for the first time in the manga.



- You then said ''Your taking random events such as Kakashi/Nagato and trying to connect them''.


(How can it be random when we're literally talking about Danzo and Itachi using another person's eye?)



- You also said ''If your claims were corect, Madara would of had to of waited 10 years before using Obito's Ms when he stole it from kakashi''.


(Even though you knew that Rikudou madara had Hashirama cells, Hashirama senjutsu healing, Rikudou regeneration & Juubi Jin Senjutsu body.)



- Then you said ''Well if he was told''.



- Then you proceed to ask me this knowing full well that I can't answer what wasn't stated. ''Otherwise how would itachi know the cooldown if he had never used it''?



Then you refuse to answer my question if what the databook said was true.


- Is Temari able to blow away the universe like the databook said?

- Is Kaguya and Hagaromo the only ones with any Rinnegan like the databook said?

 

[jsss]

Most powerful Genjutsu user: Madara.

Best Genjutsu user: Itachi.

 

[SenseiSama]

Itachi obviously