I do agree with everything you pretty much said but don't you think that a sharingan user would be able to see someone invisble since they could see their raw chakra? After Muu evaded Naruto's Rasengan that was coming from behind, someone stated that Muu was also known to be a sensor. Sensors are also capable of hiding their chakra to not be detected. I personally think that Itachi would win but I don't think that Itachi would be able to see Muu with his sharingan.
Who's stronger, the Second Tsuchikage (Muu) or Itachi?
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Seconds,by definition isn't something instant,so not being instantaneous it leaves room for a reaction frame,reaction frame that can be exploited U_U
Remember Itachi is no slug
There's a possibility you said,i must add a concrete one U_U
And i see you still insist with the notion,of itachi not seeing the attack coming,seriously?,after all the explanation about itachi being able to react to naruto's clones which attacked form his blind spot?...it's not like itachi is having a walk in the park gentleman,his senses are on max focus to detect any slightest movement,because you know he's fighting
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How did Itachi react to a real lightning from the heaven itself?
Same as above for the 1st part,as for the invisibility i already gave you manga examples to validate my claim,and the fact still remains that Muu to attack needs to get visible,well then if you then choose to dismiss this claim of mine i suggest you rather make a manga of your own,cause it seems your views aren't in line with this...you can go in denial however you want but still manga fact is undebatable,so going agains this is going directly against the manga U_U
I already amply gave explanations with manga examples to validate my claims in regards to his issue that you yet still arbitrarily refuse
Now if i summarized well your entire post,your claim is Itachi won't have the reaction time to do something against a dust release attack casted by the kage....
but inconveniently for you the manga disagrees:
In this panel you see a freaking lightning rain down from heaven upon itachi and at that point any other shinobi would have panicked and started to shit bricks,and he had no jutsu active at that very momentCode:[URL="http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-7/naruto/chapter-391.html"]http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-7/naruto/chapter-391.html[/URL]
and bamflash,he isn't dead,he survived via susano'oCode:[URL="http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-12/naruto/chapter-391.html"]http://www.mangareader.net/93-396-12/naruto/chapter-391.html[/URL]
But it's not finished yet,another event that shows that Itachi is panick-proof and thinks fast like an hexa-core processor,just have a look
He witnesses Chibaku tensei for the 1st time,and whilst in the area of effect of the jutsu,and moments away from dying he keeps his cool,processes the way to deal with it and all the rest is history gentleman U_UCode:[URL="http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/551/11"]http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/551/11[/URL]
So you see i validated my assessments via manga canon the reasons as to why Itachi will
1)React to a dust release far slower than actual lightning in the forms of susano'o or amaterasu
2)He will not panick even when surprised as shown in the instances i presented
Now it's clear at this point if you still go by the notion of Muu being able to move faster than Itachi could react to then it means,your stating that Muu Dust Release is faster than Lightning which the uchia already reacted to
Now if you can claim that Muu still wins then it means you pretty much despise Itachi and want Muu to win,rather than attain to what the managa has shown for both characters U_U
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You're so full of shit I bet your eyes are brown, and if they're not I'd say your half full. Let's go down the row shall we?
- I'm fully aware that seconds are not instant, and that Itachi is no slug. But I highly doubt he can react fast enough to something he cannot see coming, is directly behind him, and can cover a very large area.
- The clones example you are giving is crap because clones aren't invisible, therefore have no where near as much of the element of surprise. How hard is it to understand that once Mu is invisible Itachi will have absolutely no idea where he is? Mu can literally be floating 3 feet behind him and he will not know. In order for the Sharingan to be able to slow things down for Itachi he has to be able to see it first.
- I ain't even mad.
- There are several reasons as to why Itachi was able to react to Sasukes attack. One, Sasuke made a big ass show about it. Two, it was heading directly towards Itachi. Three, Itachi saw it with his Sharingan which slowed it down enough for him to react. Oh shit! Would you look at that, all three things that I mentioned are things that won't happen once Mu is behind him.
- I never dismissed the claim that Mu has to become visible to attack, but it's nice to see that you have to resort to putting words in my mouth just to put up an argument.
- The manga disagrees with me? Nah, not really. The picture you posted just proves my point that Itachi saw the lightning come down with his Sharingan which again, is one of the reasons that allowed him to react.
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- Chibaku Tensei has absolutely nothing to do with this, and that is a bad example. Of course Itachi had nothing to worry about, he was an Edo. And the fact that you stated that Itachi is panic proof just goes to show how full of it you really are. Itachi may be a friggin' fictional character, but he is human. No human is "panic proof". Itachi damn near shit his pants when Sasuke used that Rigged Shuriken.
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Before you say, oh well he was losing his sight, and he still reacted accordingly boo-hoo! No. This goes to show that Itachi isn't panic proof, he can be caught off guard, and more importantly you're full of crap. Do you see the exclamation mark, and question mark after the word shuriken? That represents confusion and panic.
- It's not about Mu moving faster than Itachi can react, it's about Mu catching Itachi off guard enough for him not to be able to react fast enough. Is that idea too hard to grasp?
- I never stated that Mu's dust release is faster than lightning. There you go again trying to make up for your lack of debating skills by putting words in my mouth. Just like a child.
Anyways, I'm not wasting anymore time on you. If Mu is directly behind Itachi, and he uses his Dust Release it's over unless someone can provide a more concrete argument. In other words not you.
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Well from what I can see yes Susanoo is a strong defense but it still can be broken with enough strength.
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Itachi will really get screwed up if Muu starts invi mode & hit him at blind spot like what Danzo did to Sasuke
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AND If somebody says Itach's Susanoo w/out yata mirror still is stronger than Sasuke I dont think so. Even it is stronger it's still can be ripped off. Madara has rinnegan active w/ Susannoo presumably his Susanoo is stronger but still got broken by raikage.
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Insulting me won't prove your point right,rather further your assessment with manga evidence to disprove my insertions,which have been till now undebatable canon U_U
Finally the light for the enlightenment was seen,all praise thy Lord
You still go by the notion of Muu being totally invisible while,it has been shown in the freaking manga=canon=undebatable that he needs to get back visible,and if something is visible there's room for reaction,whether it be short or long,there's still room for reaction,and i've more than amply gave examples of Itachi reacting to stuff far more faster than a dust release,namely lightning U_U
My clone example is as valid as the word valid goes.I brought it up to counter your previously made claim that Itachi can't react when attacked in his blind spot,and look the example i gave fits perfectly,what a coincidence
Never claimed that U_U
I see what you're doing now,adding words i never stated,very good debating skills my young gentleman,very good indeed
No shit Sherlock
Really then why all the insults xd
Just wrong my young padawan.Now let me enlighten you.
All your claim is irrelevant,as the reaction feat displayed by Itachi was the fact that he managed to time the release of Susano'o,sure he saw the lightning but still he hadn't active any jutsu at the very moment Sasuke was making is utterances,so the reaction feat still remains whether you accept it or not,it's as simple as that U_U
I Lt.Iceman tell you Mr.yo poppa i wanna shoot you with a bullet
you then look at my gun,and remain still,you didn't run(just like itachi),you just stay there,and watch the gun(like itachi was watching the thunder)
i then release the trigger,and you somehow managed to counter the bullet getting trough your body or by dodging it or by putting some shield between you and the bullet,in other words survive what was a certain death
now gentleman that is a f***ing beastly reaction feat i must say
PS:I use a bullet and the gun as example as i can't actually control thunder like sasuke.
I never did.I simply paraphrased the notion you've being boldly claiming that Itachi wouldn't see Muu's attacks coming in to that(which is pretty much equivalent to what you've being saying till now btw).Now if you see some similarities between what i said and what you said,then you can still be saved form the bliss of ignorance
Issue already above addressed
Chibaku Tensei wasn't in any way shape or form a bad example.I brought it up to counter your assessment that Itachi won't have the time to process a rational thought if in extreme predicament,and look yet again my example fit perfectly in to counter that claim of yours,what irony
Why the ad hominem again good sir?,are you losing your arguments,as you need to resort to such cheap jester-type lower handed shots
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Man it's too easy to counter your points thy're so weak.
Let me enlighten you yet again
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So,whether or whether not he panicked,the feat still remains that he very readily processed in is mind a way to counter an impending attack,that's undeniable and it's as clear as day U_U
Again ad hominem won't prove your argument valid more than mine,it's the strength and validity of the arguments that speak for themselves,and i thought you weren't mad at me,then why insults,such irony
Already addressed above.
I gave manga evidence as to why Itachi reacts even in dire predicament situations,but still you arbitrarily refuse manga canon and rather further your own logic,at this point i really don't know what evidence more do you need,maybe if Kishimoto comes all the way from japan and tells you Itachi can?
You didn't explicitly say it in that manner,but the actual paraphrase was exactly that,as anytime i claimed Itachi could react to a last second dust tech because he reacted to lightning then you readily came up with the aforementioned counter argument that the uchia won't have the reaction time
Now isn't that the equivalent of saying that Dust is faster than Lightning?
Such irony
Gentleman,you called me kid,really?,you've been the only one resorting to personal attacks to this very point...what can i say you're amusing to say the least xd
Your entire post was demolished,very intelligent time to retreat good sir,wise choice i must assert,indeed,nice choice U_U
And you can arbitrarily choose not to face reality(at least the manga's realm of reality),and rather place your own personal bias above it,but still the canon remains and it's undebatable U_U
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Honestly it depends heavily on the first two seconds of the battle, and how much info they have against each other and lastly if the sharigan can see through muu invisability in which I personally think it cant . If itachi can hit muu with ama or gen jitsu then winner is obvious but if muu manages to go invisible he can out last Itachi if itachi keeps Susanoo up for precaution. If muu spilts and goes invisable then hits itachi without susanoo with a dust release tech from directly and from a blind spot that looks like a win to me.
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itachi would win 100%.
first itachi is not only a great gen and sharingan user but he's a person. that means he can see and hear and think.
muu cant activate dust relase without making a sound or looking at his opponent and itachi almost always has his sharingan active. automatic gen attack not to mention yatta mirror counter witch can be activated at the same time as itachi's finger jutsu.
itachi is also the fastest at perfoming seals and has amaterasu muu would need alot of help to face itachi
first itachi is not only a great gen and sharingan user but he's a person. that means he can see and hear and think.
muu cant activate dust relase without making a sound or looking at his opponent and itachi almost always has his sharingan active. automatic gen attack not to mention yatta mirror counter witch can be activated at the same time as itachi's finger jutsu.
itachi is also the fastest at perfoming seals and has amaterasu muu would need alot of help to face itachi
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itachi, he could probably detect the invisibility, he could ameratsu flying mode, genjutsu could work and susanno might stop the dust technique
Muu win this. Dust jutsu is enough to destroy susano. It will be difficult for itachi to cast genjutsu on muu cos he can fly and he's also a sensory type ninja. Even if itachi eventually kill him, he can easily split himself. I don't see itachi winning this.
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1 jinton jutsu and its over , dont say stuff like tsukoyomi and maaterasu , jinton can destroy ninjutsu and muu can split making a comrade with equal abilities meaning if 1 is in genjutsu that doesnt affect the battle
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Wait,couldn't Muu just turn invisible when Itachi activates susanoo,and just waits until Itachi is too tired to keep it up any longer then Jinton.
Not very honorable i know,but then again this is Muu.
Not very honorable i know,but then again this is Muu.
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It wouldn't be necessary to keep up Susanoo while Muu is invisible. Once he tries to attack he becomes visible, which means that Itacho can dodge or use Amaterasu. In that case Muu could split indeed, but considering that he's weakened and can't even use Jinton once he splited up, he's in a fishbowl for Itachi.
I also don't see any counter against Genjutsu.
I also don't see any counter against Genjutsu.