Who's stronger, the Second Tsuchikage (Muu) or Itachi?

[simonsez0800]

muu

 

[Madara mhm]

Why are you asking me? I'm not the creator of this manga. I'm not disagreeing with you about Madara winning the fight. I'm just saying that I want actual proof, not just implications, which the manga has failed to give me.

I take character statements with a grain of salt because a bunch of them have been proven to be false time and time again in this manga.

lol, it's typical of everyone to be trolling over everybody's posts.... but please people just wait to see what Kishi brings us

Im not saying you're trolling im just using this as an example to get my point across so no Moaning back at me, like i said Wait till kishi provide us with the proof.

 

[orona]

Seconds,by definition isn't something instant,so not being instantaneous it leaves room for a reaction frame,reaction frame that can be exploited U_U

Remember Itachi is no slug



There's a possibility you said,i must add a concrete one U_U

And i see you still insist with the notion,of itachi not seeing the attack coming,seriously?,after all the explanation about itachi being able to react to naruto's clones which attacked form his blind spot?...it's not like itachi is having a walk in the park gentleman,his senses are on max focus to detect any slightest movement,because you know he's fighting

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How did Itachi react to a real lightning from the heaven itself?



Same as above for the 1st part,as for the invisibility i already gave you manga examples to validate my claim,and the fact still remains that Muu to attack needs to get visible,well then if you then choose to dismiss this claim of mine i suggest you rather make a manga of your own,cause it seems your views aren't in line with this...you can go in denial however you want but still manga fact is undebatable,so going agains this is going directly against the manga U_U



I already amply gave explanations with manga examples to validate my claims in regards to his issue that you yet still arbitrarily refuse

Now if i summarized well your entire post,your claim is Itachi won't have the reaction time to do something against a dust release attack casted by the kage....

but inconveniently for you the manga disagrees:

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In this panel you see a freaking lightning rain down from heaven upon itachi and at that point any other shinobi would have panicked and started to shit bricks,and he had no jutsu active at that very moment

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and bamflash,he isn't dead,he survived via susano'o

But it's not finished yet,another event that shows that Itachi is panick-proof and thinks fast like an hexa-core processor,just have a look

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He witnesses Chibaku tensei for the 1st time,and whilst in the area of effect of the jutsu,and moments away from dying he keeps his cool,processes the way to deal with it and all the rest is history gentleman U_U

So you see i validated my assessments via manga canon the reasons as to why Itachi will

1)React to a dust release far slower than actual lightning in the forms of susano'o or amaterasu

2)He will not panick even when surprised as shown in the instances i presented

Now it's clear at this point if you still go by the notion of Muu being able to move faster than Itachi could react to then it means,your stating that Muu Dust Release is faster than Lightning which the uchia already reacted to

Now if you can claim that Muu still wins then it means you pretty much despise Itachi and want Muu to win,rather than attain to what the managa has shown for both characters U_U

dude all of your claims are just stupid. you say that he'll react to dust release even if he doesn't see it coming and that's just straight up bs. he has the sharingan not the byakugan, if it comes from behind he won't see it happening which means he won't react in time. the only response that you have to this fact is that he has already reacted to lightning but you know what anyone with a defense like susanoo would have accomplished that because sasuke didn't just send the lightning at itachi the minute it was formed. he stood there and monologued about how this was to be his demise he even made the dragon show itself, then ascend back into the clouds and then return for it's attack. does that seem even remotely instantaneous to you? because if it does then you're an idiot. muu would win this via dust release

 

[Lt Iceman]

dude all of your claims are just stupid. you say that he'll react to dust release even if he doesn't see it coming and that's just straight up bs. he has the sharingan not the byakugan, if it comes from behind he won't see it happening which means he won't react in time. the only response that you have to this fact is that he has already reacted to lightning but you know what anyone with a defense like susanoo would have accomplished that because sasuke didn't just send the lightning at itachi the minute it was formed. he stood there and monologued about how this was to be his demise he even made the dragon show itself, then ascend back into the clouds and then return for it's attack. does that seem even remotely instantaneous to you? because if it does then you're an idiot. muu would win this via dust release

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[Scryed]

Here's a question if muu can go invisible, can itachi see muus chakra with the sharingan

Naturally, Itachi would be able to see anyone's chakra if anyone were to go invisible (Obito for example after he awakened the sharingan) but Muu is also a sensor. Therefore, it's possible that he could even hide his chakra like most if not, all sensors could. Muu is pretty much undetectable if he's in the air, invisible, and hiding his chakra. I think Muu isn't a bad match-up against Itachi since he could pretty much remain unseen and try to hit Itachi with his dust techniques though whether Yata mirror would be able to repel it or not is something I don't really know about.

I think Itachi would win, slightly though since I don't think Muu could use dust techniques while he is invisible. So if Muu were to attempt to use his dust techniques and Itachi notices this, he could get hit with amaterasu or totsuka blade on the spot. That is, if Itachi were to see him before being hit with the Dust Techniques. If Muu is able to remain invisble while using Dust Techniques, then I think Muu would win. Another factor is if Muu manages to outlast him since Itachi will need his Susanoo.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

if itachi catches him in genjutsu its over , but if muu uses a doton not only can itachi do nothing but he wont even have a corpse, muu but barely

 

[orona]

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putting this pic just shows that you have no logical response

 

[Lt Iceman]

putting this pic just shows that you have no logical response

Like your response to my huge wall of text was :flaw:

You dismissed an entire post by saying it was BS,now that's logic

And moreover the only things that needs to be disproven and countered are my assessments as i've being the only one trying to debate without disregarding other people posts by claiming it's BS and not bothering to give a single shred of evidence as to why it's BS,manga evidence of course U_U

 

[Murderous Intent]

Itachi would win.

Yata mirror > Any dust tech, muu has used thus far.
Muu is not known for his speed.
Amaterasu, or the tosuka blade has to hit him at least.

Muu has invisibility, but we have to remember the sharingan shows the slightest movement of anything.

I see itachi having medium difficulty.

I took in account btw, the splitting ability.

 

[orona]

Like your response to my huge wall of text was :flaw:

You dismissed an entire post by saying it was BS,now that's logic

And moreover the only things that needs to be disproven and countered are my assessments as i've being the only one trying to debate without disregarding other people posts by claiming it's BS and not bothering to give a single shred of evidence as to why it's BS,manga evidence of course U_U

wow. amazing how you disregard everything that i said. there's clearly no point in arguing with you because my input wasn't even necessary, yo pappy had already countered everything you said before i posted anything but you still keep going even though your arguements make no sense

 

[orona]

Itachi would win.

Yata mirror > Any dust tech, muu has used thus far.
Muu is not known for his speed.
Amaterasu, or the tosuka blade has to hit him at least.

Muu has invisibility, but we have to remember the sharingan shows the slightest movement of anything.

I see itachi having medium difficulty.

I took in account btw, the splitting ability.

the yata mirror itself will definately survive the dust release but it's still just a shield which means that it must be between the attack and the user to defend properly. the dust release isn't like any normal attack because it isn't straight forward, anything in the shape gets turned to dust which means that if muu were to make it large enough that it surounds the entire susanoo it will still be very effective and may in fact leave nothing but the yata mirror behind

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Muu

 

[Lt Iceman]

wow. amazing how you disregard everything that i said. there's clearly no point in arguing with you because my input wasn't even necessary, yo pappy had already countered everything you said before i posted anything but you still keep going even though your arguements make no sense

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if your input wasn't necessary,then why bother to post?

and i'm still waiting for Mr.yo pappy to counter my last assessment,and by counter i don't mean dismiss with a simple it's BS,or what you say is stupid,because until now i've being doing nothing more than stating manga undebatable canon U_U

 

[Migualon J.J.]

Here's a question if muu can go invisible, can itachi see muus chakra with the sharingan

I do not have a clue, personally i think yes

I go with Itachi huge difficulty.

 

[Lunir]

Looks to me like that Jutsu isn't instantaneous either.


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[orona]

Looks to me like that Jutsu isn't instantaneous either.


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who said it was?

 

[minato00]

itachi is stronger

 

[Murderous Intent]

the yata mirror itself will definately survive the dust release but it's still just a shield which means that it must be between the attack and the user to defend properly. the dust release isn't like any normal attack because it isn't straight forward, anything in the shape gets turned to dust which means that if muu were to make it large enough that it surounds the entire susanoo it will still be very effective and may in fact leave nothing but the yata mirror behind

No idiot.

Yata mirror changes it's form to defend against any and everything.
Yeah sure, he can make it super big..
The fact is while, muu is up there charging his kamehameha.
There is nothing stopping itachi from casting amaterasu on Muu.

You are acting as if itachi is gonna sit there and just wait on the dust release.
If you know itachi. AT ALL.

Muu, cannot look at itachi's eyes at all this fight.
Genjutsu

Muu cannot stop and cast strong dust techs.
Amaterasu

Muu will not match in taijutsu.

Muu is slower than itachi.

Muu's ability to be invisible is seen through with the sharingan, since it sees through the slightest muscle movement, and any movement at all.
And the sharingan can see RAW chakra.

Muu..is no way capable of defeating itachi.

 

[untouchable]

Itachi would win but he would use a shit load of charka

 

[Lord Snow]

Know what, i think muu is one of the few characters(kage) that can beat itachi