Who's stronger, the Second Tsuchikage (Muu) or Itachi?

[-Vegeta-]

Oh come on man! You don't actually think that Madara would say that without it having happened? especially since it was Onoki's flashback and he didn't deny it.

If Madara hadn't beaten him Onoki would have said something instead of having a flashback to when he got beaten.

You are kind of grasping at straws now.

I'm just saying that all you've provided me with is implications and I'm sorry but for me that's not good enough. That's like me saying Minato has SM because Fukasaku knew him and he had a contract with the toads.

Its been cleared up that they fought each other which onoki said at the kage summit. Its also clear that going by the latest chapters madara won. That flashback we saw was merely him telling mu and onoki to obey konoha

There's no way of even knowing how the fight went. For all we know they both could've used 1 attack on each other and then retreated or had some comrades interfere. Saying Madara mopped the floor with Oonoki just because one statement that really doesn't mean much is ridiculous. Madara thinks he's above everyone so of course he's going to make those kind of statements. For goodness sake he thinks he can take on 5 kages at once with ease.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

I'm just saying that all you've provided me with is implications and I'm sorry but for me that's not good enough. That's like me saying Minato has SM because Fukasaku knew him and he had a contract with the toads.

It isn't at all like saying that, though that isn't crazy either.

Madara basically said he won! And Onoki didn't disagree, what more do you want?

I'm not arguing for Susanoo vs. Dust release just Madara vs. Onoki

Madara beat him dude. Onoki admitted as much with his flashback.

 

[Blaze Release]

It still doesn't say how the fight went, and Mu never fought Madara. For all we know the only reason Onoki lost was because he couldn't hit Madara with a Dust tech, or maybe he was caught in a genjutsu. We don't know what really happened. All I know is that it's been stated that anything that is caught inside of his Dust tech will be obliterated. I think I'll stick to that until proven otherwise.

Its true we dont know what happened in the fight, but its clear how it ended.
Anyway you are entitled to believe what you want. It was also said that amaterasu was as hot as the sun, if that was the case, A's hand shouldve been incinerated as soon as it came in contact with hit. Infact A's body shouldve incinerated, yet it didnt.

Loads of techniques get mad hype when first introduced and ive no reason to believe that dust release isnt another

 

[-Vegeta-]

It isn't at all like saying that, though that isn't crazy either.

Madara basically said he won! And Onoki didn't disagree, what more do you want?

I'm not arguing for Susanoo vs. Dust release just Madara vs. Onoki

Madara beat him dude. Onoki admitted as much with his flashback.

So Madara saying it makes it so? Lol the guy is as arrogant as they come so of course he's going to say things like that. We have no clue how the fight even went. All you've given me is a statement from a guy who thinks he's head and shoulders above everyone in this manga so obviously he would make a statement like that.

There have been alot of character statements in this manga that have been proven to be false, which is why I take those statements with a grain of salt at best.

 

[Yo pappy]

Its true we dont know what happened in the fight, but its clear how it ended.
Anyway you are entitled to believe what you want. It was also said that amaterasu was as hot as the sun, if that was the case, A's hand shouldve been incinerated as soon as it came in contact with hit. Infact A's body shouldve incinerated, yet it didnt

That has been said about Amaterasu, and I agree, obviously it's not as hot as the sun otherwise what you said would have happened. The difference is that everything that has been said about the Dust Release has shown itself to be true so far. That's enough for me to side against Susanoo on this one. I guess we can agree to disagree.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

So Madara saying it makes it so? Lol the guy is as arrogant as they come so of course he's going to say things like that. We have no clue how the fight even went. All you've given me is a statement from a guy who thinks he's head and shoulders above everyone in this manga so obviously he would make a statement like that.

There have been alot of character statements in this manga that have been proven to be false, which is why I take those statements with a grain of salt at best.

But why would Onoki flashback and have a grimace on his face?

And why would he not deny it when madara said it? He didn't say anything! He just looked upset.

 

[Blaze Release]

That has been said about Amaterasu, and I agree, obviously it's not as hot as the sun otherwise what you said would have happened. The difference is that everything that has been said about the Dust Release has shown itself to be true so far. That's enough for me to side against Susanoo on this one. I guess we can agree to disagree.

What has dust release exactly shown us?. I used amaterasu as an example. There are loads of techniques that get mad hype, doubt dust release is any different.

Hope kishi clears this up and onoki uses it on susano final version. I cannot wait to see madara's final susano. Going by the incomplete version it should be something special

 

[-Vegeta-]

But why would Onoki flashback and have a grimace on his face?

And why would he not deny it when madara said it? He didn't say anything! He just looked upset.

Why are you asking me? I'm not the creator of this manga. I'm not disagreeing with you about Madara winning the fight. I'm just saying that I want actual proof, not just implications, which the manga has failed to give me.

I take character statements with a grain of salt because a bunch of them have been proven to be false time and time again in this manga.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Why are you asking me? I'm not the creator of this manga. I'm not disagreeing with you about Madara winning the fight. I'm just saying that I want actual proof, not just implications, which the manga has failed to give me.

I take character statements with a grain of salt because a bunch of them have been proven to be false time and time again in this manga.

Aside from an actual fight that is the most proof you are going to get though.

I agree about taking things characters say with a grain of salt, but the only person who could deny it didn't, so that pretty much makes it true.

Don't forget I was the person who made a thread called "contradictions in the manga" just to point out all the times people have been wrong, lied, or exaggerated in the manga.

This just isn't one of those times.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Aside from an actual fight that is the most proof you are going to get though.

I agree about taking things characters say with a grain of salt, but the only person who could deny it didn't, so that pretty much makes it true.

Don't forget I was the person who made a thread called "contradictions in the manga" just to point out all the times people have been wrong, lied, or exaggerated in the manga.

This just isn't one of those times.

A character statement that hasn't been proven isn't a fact. It's an implication at best, which is why I said I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I want facts and until I get them then it's an implication at best imo.

 

[lcart14]

I think that this could go either way. Itachi's got the sharingan, the MS and is overall really strong. Im sure were all familiar of his abilities. Muu on the other hand can combine earth, wind and fire to create dust, so i think its same to assume that he can use 4 different elements. He can also fly, become and invisible and split.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Muu is greater and stronger

 

[Yo pappy]

What has dust release exactly shown us?. I used amaterasu as an example. There are loads of techniques that get mad hype, doubt dust release is any different.

Hope kishi clears this up and onoki uses it on susano

One of the first times we saw the tech it was on Sasuke, and Tobi had to teleport him out of there. Why? Because he would have been turned into dust. Onoki makes it very clear what tech does.

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If that's not clear enough I don't know what is. lol "His body was smashed to smithereens". Anything caught inside is obliterated, and anything outside suffers collateral damage.

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Like I said, everything that has been said about the Dust release has been shown to be true. Unlike Amaterasu which is said to be as hot as the Sun, and instant.

 

[Tim Tebow]

Muu in my opinion because he was not Kage for his village for no reason.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

i have to say muu will win. Muu fight at long range and in the air which will make it hard for itachi to hit him even with ameratsu. Susanoo is will make itachi move slow making him a easier target for muu. Even though susanoo can block any ninjutsu it still has his weak point which are ground attacks as seen with garra, and from behind. Muu has sensing abilities so he doesnt even need his eyes so tsukuyomi is out of the question.
Also it will be hard for itachi to defend against a master of 4 elements(fire,wind,earth,and dust)
So Muu has a big advantage in this fight.

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

Itachi's being overrated. Muu!

 

[Mr.Beastie]

I think that this could go either way. Itachi's got the sharingan, the MS and is overall really strong. Im sure were all familiar of his abilities. Muu on the other hand can combine earth, wind and fire to create dust, so i think its same to assume that he can use 4 different elements. He can also fly, become and invisible and split.

Yeah your right.......as yamato said its hard to combine elements and muu combines three so he had to master the other elements first.

 

[OWanime]

itachi barely because of his ability to get an opponents weakness xd

 

[blazekev90]

I think that this could go either way. Itachi's got the sharingan, the MS and is overall really strong. Im sure were all familiar of his abilities. Muu on the other hand can combine earth, wind and fire to create dust, so i think its same to assume that he can use 4 different elements. He can also fly, become and invisible and split.

four elements, i forgot about that. Muu is even more BA lol

 

[inflame]

I say Muu while win with difficulty of course.
Muu can go invisible, fly, split, and has some pretty Strong jutsu at his disposal. It seems to me that Muu can fight from all range's which well be very hard for itachi. In my opinion the MS can not spot muu.
I can say that This fight can go both ways because Itachi is smart, fast and he himself has some pretty strong jinjutsu and of course genjutsu.