Who's stronger, Kakashi+Darui or Kisame+Zbuza?
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Itachi Namikaze
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In my opinion I think Kisame and Zabuza could take this, not easily mind you, but they would win.
Zabuza is the weak link for team Kisame, but he can survive long enough to at least distract one of the others away from Kisame.
Let's say Kakashi fought Zabuza, so that leaves Darui attacking Kisame. What does Darui have? Long range attacks, with his water and lightning attacks and his KG. He also has a sword but getting in close with Samehada would be pretty stupid since Samehada can move on it's own, and if it touches Darui he will have some if not most of his chakra drained. However I think that a sword fight is the only way Darui has any chance against Kisame.
The long distance attacks work well for Kisame, who can either absorb them through Samehada, or he can use his shark water missile, which takes the chakra from an opposing attack and grows larger in proportion. So long distance attacks would spell certain death for Darui as his KG and black lightning would make the shark missile even more monstrous.
Kisame also usually creates lakes or a water dome to fight in, as he is purely a water user/ swordsmen. If he were to catch either Darui or Kakashi in the water dome, then it is almost a sure loss since they don't have the chakra that Bee does, and Kisame can drain chakra in his shark form.
As for Zabuza and Kakashi, I don't think I really need to write much on this, Kakashi kills him fairly easily. Kakashi beat him before and has had 3.5 years to train and become much better.
So in the end what it comes down to is if you think either Darui or Kakashi can take on Kisame one on one. I don't think one on one either stands a chance, and so I give this battle to Kisame and Zabuza, with Zabuza dying.
Zabuza is the weak link for team Kisame, but he can survive long enough to at least distract one of the others away from Kisame.
Let's say Kakashi fought Zabuza, so that leaves Darui attacking Kisame. What does Darui have? Long range attacks, with his water and lightning attacks and his KG. He also has a sword but getting in close with Samehada would be pretty stupid since Samehada can move on it's own, and if it touches Darui he will have some if not most of his chakra drained. However I think that a sword fight is the only way Darui has any chance against Kisame.
The long distance attacks work well for Kisame, who can either absorb them through Samehada, or he can use his shark water missile, which takes the chakra from an opposing attack and grows larger in proportion. So long distance attacks would spell certain death for Darui as his KG and black lightning would make the shark missile even more monstrous.
Kisame also usually creates lakes or a water dome to fight in, as he is purely a water user/ swordsmen. If he were to catch either Darui or Kakashi in the water dome, then it is almost a sure loss since they don't have the chakra that Bee does, and Kisame can drain chakra in his shark form.
As for Zabuza and Kakashi, I don't think I really need to write much on this, Kakashi kills him fairly easily. Kakashi beat him before and has had 3.5 years to train and become much better.
So in the end what it comes down to is if you think either Darui or Kakashi can take on Kisame one on one. I don't think one on one either stands a chance, and so I give this battle to Kisame and Zabuza, with Zabuza dying.
EliteKakashi
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If Kisame used his water colliding wave, all Kakashi would need to do is use a raiton clone, and as soon as Kisame were to take it out, he's turned in to a fishstick.
Kakashi's raiton clone fooled even Pain, so don't tell me Kisame wouldn't be fooled by it. Itachi stated Kisame would have troubles if he were to take on Kakashi even in part 1. I can't imagine how much the odds are shifted in favor of Kakashi after all that time had passed, and Kakashi's mass improvement.
Kakashi's raiton clone fooled even Pain, so don't tell me Kisame wouldn't be fooled by it. Itachi stated Kisame would have troubles if he were to take on Kakashi even in part 1. I can't imagine how much the odds are shifted in favor of Kakashi after all that time had passed, and Kakashi's mass improvement.
Zabuza may be the weakest but is not weak. Silent killing technique will easily get Darui.
Also, if Darui and Kakashi had a plan to defeat Zabuza and Kisame, what would it be. What can they possibly do to repel the two swordsman.
Kakashi cannot use Kamui if Zabuza uses hidden mist technique and engulfs the entire land in mist while Kisame engulfs the land in water.
Sure, Darui and Kakashi can stand on water, but that would be to their disadvantage also. Now they have to worry about Kisame, who would be under them swimming, and Zabuza who will be somewhere around them hidden in the mist. Now they are facing two opponents who they cannot see.
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but what if kakashi killed zabuza befor kisame killed Darui? then it is 2 on one do you still think he could win ??
Itachi Namikaze
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Kisame had all that time to train as well. It isn't like he was dead like Zabuza was.
If Kakashi used a raiton clone, then he would only have half his chakra left, and there is no way Kakashi (who has average chakra levels) can fight someone who absorbs chakra with only half strength. His raikiri would be absorbed once it got close to Samehada and Kisame, just like Bee's raiton attacks were. And even if he were to hit Kisame, Samehada can heal Kisame as long as he has chakra.
Also it doesn't really matter but I believe Itachi said that about Guy, not Kakashi. Most likely because he knew that Guy was a taijutsu user and that is one of Kisame's biggest weaknesses.
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yeah... that's true, remember Itachi told Kakashi that using the Hidden Mist Jutsu is a complete waste of time because his sharingan's not affected.
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5 ration clone so that's 5 moves that was 1/2 his chakra
EliteKakashi
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Taking half his chakra(though I don't recall it doing that) would be worth taking out Kisame, which that would. I don't see how Kisame would survive that level of electrocution. Regardless, I find Kisame to be much smarter than that, and I'm not sure he'd take that approach, as he knows Kakashi's affinity is lightning.
No, it was said about Kakashi. When Gai arrived, Itachi stated they didn't want to start a war, as Gai had called for ANBU black ops. It was not very long after Kakashi very first arrived, right before he and Itachi started to fight.
Kakashi knows(or would find out right off the bat at the very least) that Samehada can absorb chakra. This would be a fight that I'm sure he'd wind up resorting to kamui for, but it's not a very favorable matchup for Kisame, IMO. Fighting a lighting affinity ninja in water isn't smart, and Kakashi doesn't need to get in to close range to hurt( or even kill ) Kisame.
I'm not really even worried about Zabuza in this match..Once Kakashi stopped fooling around in part 1 he pretty much made a fool of him. I think Darui is on a good level or 2 higher than Zabuza in terms of skill.
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I will quote some people later.
What i would say for now though is that, it seems alot of people are confused between a shadow clone (kage bunshin) and a clone. Example being a clay clone, mud clone, water clone
What i would say for now though is that, it seems alot of people are confused between a shadow clone (kage bunshin) and a clone. Example being a clay clone, mud clone, water clone
People who underestimate Zabuza in my opinion are quite ignorant when it comes to Naruto. Kakashi, the strongest Jonin in the leaf got technically beaten by Zabuza, technically Zabuza won the 1st fight until Naruto and friends intervened and rescued Kakashi, otherwise Kakashi would have died. Second, even though kakashi attained victory near the end of the fight he was HOSPITALIZED. How does that sound weak. Second, after the second fight even though Zabuza lost Kakashi wasted nearly all his chakra just fighting Zabuza. And Zabuza was aiming to kill Tazuna, which made his fight with Kakashi even harder. And if that's considered impressive, his last feat tops all his other feats. He managed to fight an army armed with weapons with only a Kunai in his mouth, managing to wound and kill a majority of the people and despite being weounded from kakashi. thats not weak. yeah of course kakashi>zabuza, but zabuza is still strong and a key factor. his mist technique can help kisame a lot and cause team kakashi trouble. he definitely shouldn't be overlooked
EliteKakashi
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Kakashi was looking after the entire team and the bridge builder, what'd you expect? Later on, when Kakashi was free of having to save everyone's ass, he dominated Zabuza. Zabuza doesn't hold a candle to Darui and is so far behind part 2 Kakashi that it's not even worth mentioning.
That's always been Kakashi's downfall..his teammates. He's always worrying about what's happening with them. Vs Zabuza is a fantastic example, as is vs Hidan/Kakuzu. Shikamaru was the only one who wasn't useless and he wasted most of his chakra taking that huge blast from Kakuzu so the other 3 didn't get obliterated.
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Itachi Namikaze
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How would that take out Kisame? Samehada absorbs chakra. Do you remember the fight between Bee and Kisame? Samehada absorbs a ninjutsu whenever it gets too close. Secondly Kisame can heal as long as he has Samehada. And lastly Kisame has long distance attacks as well that neither Kakashi nor Darui can counter.
How would either of them escape the water dome? Or the Shark missile, which absorbs ninjutsu and becomes bigger in proportion to the ninjutsu it absorbs.
About the raiton clone taking half his chakra, that is common knowledge man. Any clone you make, if it is a functional clone and not just an illusory clone, it divides the chakra evenly between the number of clones made.
So if Kakashi made one clone half of his chakra would go into it, and the other half would stay in him. If he made 9 clones each one would have 1/10th of his chakra while the real kakashi would have the final tenth.
So that is how that works to all the people who say I am wrong.