I think I already made it clear that you have to either counter with valid arguments or stop replying to me with pointless posts, if you had time to waste in 3 pointless posts surely you could've used that time to educate a child on how Sasuke didn't mop the floor with Naruto in 4 different occasions.
For the last time stop replying if you don't have a counter, stop wasting your, and especially my time with this nonsense.
And I told you the entire manga is a counter to your argument. Go read it again and this time pay attention instead of bothering me again. I am done with you.
And I told you the entire manga is a counter to your argument. Go read it again and this time pay attention instead of bothering me again. I am done with you.
So you prefer Naruto X Hunter's fanfic over reality. Anyway Naruto beat Sasuke so thoroughly that Sasuke never dared to fight him again and admitted his inferiority to Naruto.
But I understand a Sasuke fan's sentiments. But the canon has been written. You or anyone else's fanfics are pointless. And any logical Naruto manga reader would agree that Sasuke never beat Naruto. Shame they're are very few among Sasuke fans.
That's fine. I do the same, even when i'm on someones side i still correct them when they say something wrong.
So Kaguya, Obito and Madara attained the Gudoudama from having the Juubi, which is like a massive source of NE/Senjutsu? Whereas Hogoromo and Naruto did from their mastery of Senjutsu.
And did Hamura have the same Gudoudama as them? Or different ones like Toneri?
are you low iq or what Sasuke sure has shinra tensei
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Naruto fought with Kaguya from start to the end and used at least hundred of clones mean he is at least received hundred of times fatigue before he fight with Sasuke. While your useless fav that even produce less useful than Sakura vs Kaguya, which is very laughable.
Naruto took "THE WORLD ATTACK" and produce so many clones that far exceed than any other battle until now and also beam up 9 strongest attack to draw out Rabbit mode form.
What did Sasuke produce in that fight other than being useless than Sakura ? :lol
really pathetic excuses from you with somekind of fanfiction :lol
As i said, the ass whooping he gave Kaguya was kept to a minimum given the conditions he had. You are forgetting that Sasuke used the chakra consuming Amenotejikara several times in an attempt to escape Kaguya's desert dimension. There were multiple times in that battle where Sasuke had to rest from over using the Rinnegan. His eye even bled.
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Then there's the ton of chakra that it must have taken to cast Genjutsu and use Chibaku Tensei on the Bijuu.
I recognize you from back when i was active here. By now you should be well aware that your bias is keeping you from being aware of a ton of things in Sasuke's favor resulting in you saying nonesense. Open your mind and broaden your perspectives.
What you did in this thread was, as always, gloss over everything showing Sasuke's superiority over Naruto, and poorly form little counters on things instead of specifically addressing what i said, like if Sasuke had his Sword, which he had/used in nearly every one of his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years then conveniently it lost it before fighting Naruto, then Naruto would be dead.
It wasn't bait. I was just sharing my thoughts. It's not like i said anything ridiculous. Everything i said was based on facts, and logic, and i backed up everything.
Using big ass memes and colors really makes you seem like an autistic kid.Stop frothing at the mouth like a fanboy and read the BS you spout
Shinra Tensei is derivant of Deva Path.Sasuke used CT which is a Deva Ability.The DB specifically states that those who wield the Rinnegan possess all 6 Paths Techniques so Sasuke can use ST.As far as stamina goes,Naruto naturally has more stamina and life force from the get go than Sasuke so it evens out.If you actually saw Sasuke in Kaguya's dimension he was dripping with exhaustion
Without Sasuke they wouldnt even make it to the Kaguya fight in the first place as IT one shots.More useless than Sakura?LMAO Not even gonna bother with this pile of garbage
The physical battle ended as a draw with them both being unable to continue fighting at the same time (only because Sasuke was restricted from ulitilizing his abilities to his full advantage). Sasuke laughed at Naruto whom expressed that he wanted to bash him upside the head even though he couldn't move, and said that he lost as a friendly gesture. Naruto then immediately denied either of them winning or losing.
Even if you do take Sasuke's words out of context, it doesn't change that the physical battle ended as a draw. But it's funny how you even ignore our boy Naruto's words.
I understand that you have to selectively read to act like Naruto's superior.
Proceed with caution, you will probably want to ignore all these points.
If Sasuke wasn't restricted from ulitilizing his abilities and skills to his full advantage, such as having his sword which he had/used in nearly every one of his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years then conveniently it lost it before fighting Naruto, then Naruto would be dead.
Against Itachi Sasuke summoned and threw a massive amount of Shuriken within seconds.This and the next few pages.
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Against Naruto he only summoned and threw 3 Shuriken literally as he was falling to the ground, which each took out an entire clone. Then he got up, activated Chidori and charged at what he thought was the real Naruto. The clone stopped his arm and he was punched by the real Naruto.
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Instead of charging at him with Chidori, he could have easily summoned more shuriken and safely threw them from a distance. That's efficient. He would conserve chakra and physical energy, and wouldn't have to worry about being hit himself.
Aside from not using Genjutsu, Chibaku Tensei, and Bansho Tenin on Naruto, even though he easily did so against all the Bijuu.
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There's several other abilities that he didn't use even though they would have been very effective.
- During the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash, instead of using Enton Chidori, he could have extended his Chidori as he and Naruto were charging towards each other, then slash him.
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In his battle against Bee, from a distance and with little reaction time, he easily extended Chidori and it sliced through the Hachibi's tentacle like butter. This/the next page.
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- Or he could have used Chidori Spear or Senbon to hit Naruto from a distance.
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*There was no need to get in close range with Enton Chidori.* But Kishimoto likes his Rasengan and Chidori clashes. Can't end without it.
If he's going to attack from close up then Chidori Stream is best suited for that. It's both an attack and defense.
How long you Sasuke fans are gonna be butthurt over this.
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Your fav with power of 8.5 bijuu + kill intent got soloed by Naruto with just 0.5 bijuu and no kill intent.
Get over it kid. He'll never surpass Naruto.
So you prefer Naruto X Hunter's fanfic over reality. Anyway Naruto beat Sasuke so thoroughly that Sasuke never dared to fight him again and admitted his inferiority to Naruto.
But I understand a Sasuke fan's sentiments. But the canon has been written. You or anyone else's fanfics are pointless. And any logical Naruto manga reader would agree that Sasuke never beat Naruto. Shame they're are very few among Sasuke fans.
Lol this is so familiar. The excuses, dodging points, ignoring facts, selective reading, poor logic and automatically rejecting everything in support of Sasuke. You must be Spacey/Orange/Kakashi of the Icha Icha with a name change.
How is it possible for you to feel that Naruto is superior when you literally couldn't overcome any of the points i made in this thread battle wise of Sasuke against Naruto based purely on their abilities and skills?
All you did was claim Naruto's better based on misinterpreting Sasuke words whilst ignoring the context and Naruto's own words.
Great counter arguement. If i were to read the manga again, which i will once i acquired all the Viz volumes, i have 1-28 now, then i would come across more things that showcase Sasuke being superior to our boy Naruto.
He is a noob.He literally tries his hardest to insult characters hoping to rile up members which can be easily seen once you start to debate with him :lol
OT-I bet with both Naruto and Sasuke fans in this thread,this will reach 12 pages by tomorrow.Minamoto participating would be the icing on the cake
I don't want the thread to reach that long unless we are having legitmate discussions. One of the reasons i left is because i disliked having long unproductive conversations.
Prediction - you're going to ignore facts, dodge my points, use poor logic and make ad-hominems rather than publicly acknowledge that we're right, that Sasuke is Superior to Naruto, or actually address each of my points in an attempt to prove me wrong if you actually truly believe that what i posted below is wrong. Especially on the points i made about the Final battle.
1) In chapter 538 there was a flashback of them back in the academy having a sparring match. Sasuke owned Naruto in an instant.
2) At the end of Part one in the Final Valley. Even though the Kyuubi saved him twice.
First in chapter 228, Sasuke stabbed his Chidori right through him. Naruto was critically injured, couldn’t breathe properly or use his right arm which meant no jutsu. Then the Kyuubi healed and powered him up, thus allowing him to continue to fight.
The second time was in chapter 230. Sasuke just unlocked his 3rd Tomoe and with now being able to predict his movements, owned Kyuubi Naruto. Beating him to the point where he couldn’t move. Then the Kyuubi powers him up even further, thus allowing him to continue to fight.
3) At the beginning of Part two at Orochimaru’s hideout. Chapters 307-310. Sasuke owned Team 7, and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. When he saw Naruto going Kyuubi, he went inside his mind to confirm his power source, met the Kyuubi who was highly impressed by his power and skill, and praised him. Then surpressed the Kyuubi’s power, leaving Naruto unable to do anything. Then the Kyuubi begged Sasuke not to kill Naruto.
Naruto was left down on the ground on his knees crying about how weak he is compared to Sasuke. Then went on to spend multiple arcs training with multiple teachers learning multiple techniques and attaining a power up (Sage Mode) in an attempt to catch up to him.
He knew he needed the Kyuubi’s chakra to fight him. EMS>KCM. Naruto didn’t catch up til he attained BM, which he could only achieve with the Kyuubi’s assistance. BM=EMS. On top of needing the Kyuubi’s power he also needed his assistance to be able to match Sasuke. This is funnier when considering that he stated to the Kyuubi himself that he didn’t need his power.
4) At the Kage Summit. Naruto ended up passing out from the results of their clash whilst Sasuke never did
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Should have been 5-0.
If Sasuke wasn't restricted from ulitilizing his abilities and skills to his full advantage, such as having his sword which he had/used in nearly every one of his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years then conveniently it lost it before fighting Naruto, then Naruto would be dead.
Against Itachi Sasuke summoned and threw a massive amount of Shuriken within seconds.This and the next few pages.
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Against Naruto he only summoned and threw 3 Shuriken literally as he was falling to the ground, which each took out an entire clone. Then he got up, activated Chidori and charged at what he thought was the real Naruto. The clone stopped his arm and he was punched by the real Naruto.
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Instead of charging at him with Chidori, he could have easily summoned more shuriken and safely threw them from a distance. That's efficient. He would conserve chakra and physical energy, and wouldn't have to worry about being hit himself.
Aside from not using Genjutsu, Chibaku Tensei, and Bansho Tenin on Naruto, even though he easily did so against all the Bijuu.
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There's several other abilities that he didn't use even though they would have been very effective.
- During the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash, instead of using Enton Chidori, he could have extended his Chidori as he and Naruto were charging towards each other, then slash him.
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In his battle against Bee, from a distance and with little reaction time, he easily extended Chidori and it sliced through the Hachibi's tentacle like butter. This/the next page.
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- Or he could have used Chidori Spear or Senbon to hit Naruto from a distance.
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*There was no need to get in close range with Enton Chidori.* But Kishimoto likes his Rasengan and Chidori clashes. Can't end without it.
If he's going to attack from close up then Chidori Stream is best suited for that. It's both an attack and defense.
Prediction - you're going to ignore facts, dodge my points, use poor logic and make ad-hominems rather than publicly acknowledge that we're right, that Sasuke is Superior to Naruto, or actually address each of my points in an attempt to prove me wrong if you actually truly believe that what i posted below is wrong. Especially on the points i made about the Final battle.
1) In chapter 538 there was a flashback of them back in the academy having a sparring match. Sasuke owned Naruto in an instant.
2) At the end of Part one in the Final Valley. Even though the Kyuubi saved him twice.
First in chapter 228, Sasuke stabbed his Chidori right through him. Naruto was critically injured, couldn’t breathe properly or use his right arm which meant no jutsu. Then the Kyuubi healed and powered him up, thus allowing him to continue to fight.
The second time was in chapter 230. Sasuke just unlocked his 3rd Tomoe and with now being able to predict his movements, owned Kyuubi Naruto. Beating him to the point where he couldn’t move. Then the Kyuubi powers him up even further, thus allowing him to continue to fight.
3) At the beginning of Part two at Orochimaru’s hideout. Chapters 307-310. Sasuke owned Team 7, and the Kyuubi with absolute ease. When he saw Naruto going Kyuubi, he went inside his mind to confirm his power source, met the Kyuubi who was highly impressed by his power and skill, and praised him. Then surpressed the Kyuubi’s power, leaving Naruto unable to do anything. Then the Kyuubi begged Sasuke not to kill Naruto.
Naruto was left down on the ground on his knees crying about how weak he is compared to Sasuke. Then went on to spend multiple arcs training with multiple teachers learning multiple techniques and attaining a power up (Sage Mode) in an attempt to catch up to him.
He knew he needed the Kyuubi’s chakra to fight him. EMS>KCM. Naruto didn’t catch up til he attained BM, which he could only achieve with the Kyuubi’s assistance. BM=EMS. On top of needing the Kyuubi’s power he also needed his assistance to be able to match Sasuke. This is funnier when considering that he stated to the Kyuubi himself that he didn’t need his power.
4) At the Kage Summit. Naruto ended up passing out from the results of their clash whilst Sasuke never did
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Should have been 5-0.
If Sasuke wasn't restricted from ulitilizing his abilities and skills to his full advantage, such as having his sword which he had/used in nearly every one of his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years then conveniently it lost it before fighting Naruto, then Naruto would be dead.
Against Itachi Sasuke summoned and threw a massive amount of Shuriken within seconds.This and the next few pages.
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Against Naruto he only summoned and threw 3 Shuriken literally as he was falling to the ground, which each took out an entire clone. Then he got up, activated Chidori and charged at what he thought was the real Naruto. The clone stopped his arm and he was punched by the real Naruto.
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Instead of charging at him with Chidori, he could have easily summoned more shuriken and safely threw them from a distance. That's efficient. He would conserve chakra and physical energy, and wouldn't have to worry about being hit himself.
Aside from not using Genjutsu, Chibaku Tensei, and Bansho Tenin on Naruto, even though he easily did so against all the Bijuu.
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There's several other abilities that he didn't use even though they would have been very effective.
- During the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash, instead of using Enton Chidori, he could have extended his Chidori as he and Naruto were charging towards each other, then slash him.
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In his battle against Bee, from a distance and with little reaction time, he easily extended Chidori and it sliced through the Hachibi's tentacle like butter. This/the next page.
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- Or he could have used Chidori Spear or Senbon to hit Naruto from a distance.
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*There was no need to get in close range with Enton Chidori.* But Kishimoto likes his Rasengan and Chidori clashes. Can't end without it.
If he's going to attack from close up then Chidori Stream is best suited for that. It's both an attack and defense.
I am tired of dodging nonsense and hate to argue with someone who doesn't get it. You even bringing out fights they had in the academy is just hilarious and Naruto always went easy on Sasuke since team 7 days and fanboys take that as Sasuke's win and that's why I suggest those fanboys to read the manga again. Hope you're getting my point.
Tbh, I didn't even bother to read your points cuz the thread title itself is enough to know that its gonna be all nonsense.
I am tired of dodging nonsense and hate to argue with someone who doesn't get it. You even bringing out fights they had in the academy is just hilarious and Naruto always went easy on Sasuke since team 7 days and FANBOYS TAKE THAT AS SASUKE'S WIN and that's why I suggest those fanboys to read the manga again. Hope you're getting my point.
As i expected. You yourself literally said Sasuke never beat Naruto. One of the times he beat him was during their academy days where they spent years training to become Ninja, then you counter by acting as if i shouldn't mention it. Yeah, don't be a selective reader.
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By that you mean after Part One? Cause surely you don't think he went easy in the first battle in the Final Valley.
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But then again, you are known to selectively read and ignore Naruto's own words regarding Sasuke.
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At Orochimaru's hideout their goal was to bring Sasuke back to Konoha, even if it meant by force. Or do you think Naruto chased after Sasuke thinking he would willingly go back to Konoha if they had a nice chat? Sasuke tried killing him the last time Naruto confronted him, and would likely do the same if he did so again. Surely Naruto had that in mind when relentlessly chasing him.
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He acknowledged that Sasuke was way ahead.
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Big contradiction. You claim Naruto won and is inferior to Naruto based on Sasuke handing Naruto the win as a friendly gesture even though the battle ended as a draw.
Tbh, I didn't even bother to read your points cuz the thread title itself is enough to know that its gonna be all nonsense.
Ofcourse because you're judgemental and jumped to conclusions. You're right about everything, and you know everything, so how it's not possible that Kaguya and or Naruto were lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan and didn't have his Sword. It's not possible that i could have mentioned things that you were unaware of.
If you're really sure that Naruto is superior to Sasuke, like i am of Sasuke being superior to Naruto, then you should easily be able to prove it like me.
Aside from the title of the thread. I also brought up several other things in the second spoiler of the above comment.
As i expected. You yourself literally said Sasuke never beat Naruto. One of the times he beat him was during their academy days where they spent years training to become Ninja, then you counter by acting as if i shouldn't mention it.
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By that you mean after Part One? Cause surely you don't think he went easy in the first battle in the Final Valley.
@Bold
To me the academy days just don't matter but ok.
Now the way, you've been counting win and loses then lets count shall we.
First is before the genin exam arc, Neji > Lee and Lee beat Sasuke with the weights on. Later Sasuke equals Lee's speed without the weights. If Sasuke were to fight Neji with that, Neji would've beaten him. But Naruto won against Neji.
So Naruto 1, Sasuke 1. (Considering the one from ninja academy lol)
Then Gaara fight, clearly Gaara beat Sasuke and then Naruto comes and defeats Gaara and protects both Sasuke and Sakura. Sasuke's butthurt begin to show.
Naruto 2, Sasuke 1.
Next is when they fight on the rooftop of the hospital. Naruto's rasengan does more damage to the tank than Sasuke's chidori. Kishi deliberately chose two water tanks to show it clearly. And Sasuke was even more butthurt.
Naruto 3, Assuke 1.
Next is VOTE 1 and you're calling me of being ignorant. Take a look at this.
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And this.
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Hope you get my point. Naruto just needed to lower his hand a bit and Sasuke's head would've vanished. But Naruto didn't, he wanted to make a point by scratching Sasuke's forehead protector.
And this you call as Sasuke's win and call me ignorant when clearly Naruto went easy on him. Had Naruto not chosen to do so, Sasuke would be dead and Naruto would've still survived.
So I'd call it a draw. (I am being generous here hahaha)
So Naruto 3, Sasuke 1.
Actually thanks for posting the above panel. It proves how Naruto kicked a full kill intent Sasuke with 8.5 bijuu chakra without even trying to kill him.
Naruto 4, Sasuke 1
At Orochimaru's hideout their goal was to bring Sasuke back to Konoha, even if it meant by force. Or do you think Naruto chased after Sasuke thinking he would willingly go back to Konoha if they had a nice chat? Sasuke tried killing him the last time Naruto confronted him, and would likely do the same if he did so again. Surely Naruto had that in mind when relentlessly chasing him.
Ofcourse because you're judgemental and jumped to conclusions. You're right about everything, you know everything so how is it possible that Kaguya and or Naruto to be lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan and didn't have his Sword. It's not possible that i could have mentioned things that you were unaware of.
I am not at all judgemental. I am simply stating the obvious manga facts which you missed or conveniently chose to ignore. So what if Sasuke had his sword? Yes it would have given him some advantage when they were fighting in base mode but not enough to change the outcome. Naruto would not just sit there and let himself be slashed by his sword.
If you're really sure that Naruto is superior to Sasuke, like i am of Sasuke being superior to Naruto, then you should easily be able to prove it like me.
Aside from the title of the thread. I also brought up several other things in the second spoiler of the above comment.
There, all proved with facts. The reason I hate getting into these sort of arguments is because they take a lot of your time. And that's why suggested you read the manga.
Edit: Forgot to add Kaguya fight where Sasuke got his ass kicked and Naruto did most of the fighting.
Naruto 5, Sasuke 2.
I am tired of dodging nonsense and hate to argue with someone who doesn't get it. You even bringing out fights they had in the academy is just hilarious and Naruto always went easy on Sasuke since team 7 days and fanboys take that as Sasuke's win and that's why I suggest those fanboys to read the manga again. Hope you're getting my point.
Tbh, I didn't even bother to read your points cuz the thread title itself is enough to know that its gonna be all nonsense.
is this Daedalus guy serious? what a retard. literally the shittiest post ive read but then again naruto fanboys so i cant be surprised. Naruto x Hunter, hope you take a dump on that crap of a post.
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To me the academy days just don't matter but ok.
Now the way, you've been counting win and loses then lets count shall we.
First is before the genin exam arc, Neji > Lee and Lee beat Sasuke with the weights on. Later Sasuke equals Lee's speed without the weights. If Sasuke were to fight Neji with that, Neji would've beaten him. But Naruto won against Neji.
You're changing the topic way too much. I was speaking about Naruto vs Sasuke not them against other opponents. Besides, you didn't factor in many important things. Just more selective reading.
Naruto only beat Neji because he had the Kyuubi's assistance. Neji shut down all his chakra points, Naruto was physically exhausted and unable to continue fighting. Then this happens,
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Sasuke would likely win against Neji due to being able to see through his movements, being quick enough to evade them, and being able to Speed blitz him with Chidori. Plus he had the Curse Mark to significantly increase his power, speed, and strength.
So Naruto 1, Sasuke 1. (Considering the one from ninja academy lol)
Then Gaara fight, clearly Gaara beat Sasuke and then Naruto comes and defeats Gaara and protects both Sasuke and Sakura. Sasuke's butthurt begin to show.
Naruto 2, Sasuke 1.
Even more flawed than before. Sasuke defeated Gaara in the Chunun Exam Stadium, why did you choose to skip over that? Gaara passed out, Temari/Kankuro took him, and ran from Sasuke for awhile whilst Sasuke relentlessly chased after them with no rest, while Gaara napped, then woke up, went Bijuu, and acted like he was Boss.
Naruto had the Kyuubi and Gamabunta's help against Gaara. Why did you choose to ignore their obvious assistance?
Jiraiya states that Naruto didn't possess enough chakra to summon a Big toad on his own.
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Naruto could only access the Kyuubi's chakra in life threatening situations because the Kyuubi gave it to him so they wouldn't die. Surely i don't need to post the page that.
Naruto stated that he used all his chakra creating those massive amounts of clones. Yet summons Gamabunta right afterwards.
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How could he summon Gamabunta if he ran out of chakra? Obviously from the Kyuubi assistance.
Later on we see him asking for more chakra so he could finish Gaara.
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Each time Sasuke thought back on the battle against Gaara he remembered Naruto creating a ton of clones, and summoning Gamabunta.
Back then he didn't know Naruto had a Bijuu, infact the strongest Bijuu, powering him up. Take a look at this/the next page.
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He was obviously describing the Kyuubi. Naruto was even in Kyuubi mode, hence his eyes. "He never called forth that power at the academy. "
Yeah, because he didn't have access to the Kyuubi's chakra.
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Sasuke was also questioning what "that" power was when Naruto was in Kyuubi mode at the Final Valley.
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"Now i understand"
Do you really think he would have been bothered by Naruto's sudden power growth if he knew the Strongest Bijuu was powering him up?
Later in Part two when Naruto began to go Kyuubi, he went inside Naruto's mind to confirm his powersource.
He wasn't impressed.
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Naruto would easily lose againse Base Gaara without any assistance. Unlike Sasuke, he doesn't have have the speed to out maneuver his Sand, nor an attack powerful enough to pierce through it.
Next is when they fight on the rooftop of the hospital. Naruto's rasengan does more damage to the tank than Sasuke's chidori. Kishi deliberately chose two water tanks to show it clearly. And Sasuke was even more butthurt.
Naruto 3, Assuke 1.
Surely you don't actually believe that Naruto was stronger than Sasuke due to the amount of damage Rasengan did to the building right? Rasengan is like an explosion, while Chidori is a move designed to pierce, hence the different effects they had on the building, but as we know, Rasengan=Chidori, hence them matching each other every time they clashed.
If Kakashi never interrupted, the battle likely would have ended as a draw, depending on who took more damage from the backclash (being sent flying backwards from the impact of the collision). But let's analyze this further, Aside from just regaining consciousness after being passed out for a month, Sasuke was disadvantaged because of the location.
If they fought in an open area rather than the enclosed hospital rooftop, Sasuke would be able to perform his High Speed Taijutsu, and if he wanted, Chidori Speed Blitz him like he did Gaara. Naruto wouldn't be able to visually keep track of, nor physically react to him. It would be like Lee when he first took off the weights against Gaara, except Naruto doesn't have any defense such as Sand armor to protect himself.
Furthermore, even with being able to see through Lee's movements with his Sharingan, Sasuke was unable to physically react in time. Naruto would fair worse than Sasuke and Gaara did against such speed. But luckily for him they fought in an enclosed area, thus significantly limiting Sasuke's performance. Lol Sasuke didn't even have shoes on.
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Also, Sasuke was so angered because he had just met up with Itachi, the guy he trained for years to become strong enough to kill, and was easily defeated. He felt/knew that he wasn't making the amount of progress that he needed to make inorder to achieve his goals. Gaara even spoke of Sasuke not having enough hatred, as did Itachi.
Then incomes Naruto, who he was always significantly ahead of, showcasing that he made tremendous improvement. Summoning a Bigass Toad (which he could only due at the time with the Kyuubi's chakra, which he could only access whenever the Kyuubi decided to let him), defeating Gaara (with Gamabunta and the Kyuubi's help) and now having the Rasengan which Sasuke thought may have been stronger due to the damage it did to the tanks.
Nonetheless Sasuke was still superior as i explained above
Next is VOTE 1 and you're calling me of being ignorant. Take a look at this.
Sasuke was owning Naruto. The Kyuubi saved Naruto twice before the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash.
1) Chapter 228, Sasuke stabs his Chidori through Naruto. He is critically wounded, can't breathe properly, or use his right arm, which means no jutsu. Then the Kyuubi heals him within seconds, and powers him up. Thus allowing him to continue to fight.
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2) Chapter 230, Sasuke beats Kyuubi Naruto to the point where he couldn't move. Then the Kyuubi powers him up, thus allowing him to continue to fight.
On top of healing and powering Naruto up multiple times, the Kyuubi itself even attacked Sasuke through it's chakra at one point.
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Hope you get my point. Naruto just needed to lower his hand a bit and Sasuke's head would've vanished. But Naruto didn't, he wanted to make a point by scratching Sasuke's forehead protector.
After Rasengan and Chidori cancalled each other out, Naruto's hand slide toward Sasuke's headband, so he took advantage of that unexpected moment and scratch his headband.
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If he wanted too, he couldn't have move his hand with enough force to blow Sasuke's hand off. Sasuke's jab completely stopped him
And this you call as Sasuke's win and call me ignorant when clearly Naruto went easy on him. Had Naruto not chosen to do so, Sasuke would be dead and Naruto would've still survived.
It wasn't a draw. Naruto's was aiming to defeat Sasuke, bring him back to Konoha forcefully. Sasuke's was to defeat Naruto, and go to Orochimaru's place. Sasuke succeeded, Naruto failed. He lost the physical battle.
Actually thanks for posting the above panel. It proves how Naruto kicked a full kill intent Sasuke with 8.5 bijuu chakra without even trying to kill him.
Naruto 4, Sasuke 1
I am not at all judgemental. I am simply stating the obvious manga facts which you missed or conveniently chose to ignore. So what if Sasuke had his sword? Yes it would have given him some advantage when they were fighting in base mode but not enough to change the outcome. Naruto would not just sit there and let himself be slashed by his sword.
Yeah, Naruto recieved instant mastery of his abilities, and had 10 Bijuu helping him whilst Sasuke didn't, nor did he have his sword.
Anyway, this thread is about them at the end Part 2, not anytime beforehand.
If Sasuke wasn't restricted from ulitilizing his abilities and skills to his full advantage, such as having his sword which he had/used in nearly every one of his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years then conveniently it lost it before fighting Naruto, then Naruto would be dead.
Against Itachi Sasuke summoned and threw a massive amount of Shuriken within seconds.This and the next few pages.
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Against Naruto he only summoned and threw 3 Shuriken literally as he was falling to the ground, which each took out an entire clone. Then he got up, activated Chidori and charged at what he thought was the real Naruto. The clone stopped his arm and he was punched by the real Naruto.
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Instead of charging at him with Chidori, he could have easily summoned more shuriken and safely threw them from a distance. That's efficient. He would conserve chakra and physical energy, and wouldn't have to worry about being hit himself.
Aside from not using Genjutsu, Chibaku Tensei, and Bansho Tenin on Naruto, even though he easily did so against all the Bijuu.
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There's several other abilities that he didn't use even though they would have been very effective.
- During the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash, instead of using Enton Chidori, he could have extended his Chidori as he and Naruto were charging towards each other, then slash him.
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In his battle against Bee, from a distance and with little reaction time, he easily extended Chidori and it sliced through the Hachibi's tentacle like butter. This/the next page.
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- Or he could have used Chidori Spear or Senbon to hit Naruto from a distance.
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*There was no need to get in close range with Enton Chidori.* But Kishimoto likes his Rasengan and Chidori clashes. Can't end without it.
If he's going to attack from close up then Chidori Stream is best suited for that. It's both an attack and defense.
Well i got lazy and didn't explain aswell as i could and post all the manga pages to everything i spoke off.
This guy went so off topic.
You're changing the topic way too much. I was speaking about Naruto vs Sasuke not them against other opponents. Besides, you didn't factor in many important things. Just more selective reading.
Naruto only beat Neji because he had the Kyuubi's assistance. Neji shut down all his chakra points, Naruto was physically exhausted and unable to continue fighting. Then this happens,
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Sasuke would likely win against Neji due to being able to see through his movements, being quick enough to evade them, and being able to Speed blitz him with Chidori. Plus he had the Curse Mark to significantly increase his power, speed, and strength.
Even more flawed than before. Sasuke defeated Gaara in the Chunun Exam Stadium, why did you choose to skip over that? Gaara passed out, Temari/Kankuro took him, and ran from Sasuke for awhile whilst Sasuke relentlessly chased after them with no rest, while Gaara napped, then woke up, went Bijuu, and acted like he was Boss.
Naruto had the Kyuubi and Gamabunta's help against Gaara. Why did you choose to ignore their obvious assistance?
Jiraiya states that Naruto didn't possess enough chakra to summon a Big toad on his own.
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Naruto could only access the Kyuubi's chakra in life threatening situations because the Kyuubi gave it to him so they wouldn't die. Surely i don't need to post the page that.
Naruto stated that he used all his chakra creating those massive amounts of clones. Yet summons Gamabunta right afterwards.
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How could he summon Gamabunta if he ran out of chakra? Obviously from the Kyuubi assistance.
Later on we see him asking for more chakra so he could finish Gaara.
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Each time Sasuke thought back on the battle against Gaara he remembered Naruto creating a ton of clones, and summoning Gamabunta.
Back then he didn't know Naruto had a Bijuu, infact the strongest Bijuu, powering him up.
Naruto would easily lose againse Base Gaara without any assistance. Unlike Sasuke, he doesn't have have the speed to out maneuver his Sand, nor an attack to powerful enough to pierce through it.
Surely you don't actually believe that Naruto was stronger than Sasuke due to the amount of damage Rasengan did to the building right? Rasengan is like an explosion, while Chidori is a move designed to pierce, hence the different effects they had on the building, but as we know, Rasengan=Chidori, hence them matching each other every time they clashed.
If Kakashi never interrupted, the battle likely would have ended as a draw, depending on who took more damage from the backclash (being sent flying backwards from the impact of the collision). But let's analyze this further, Aside from just regaining consciousness after being passed out for a month, Sasuke was disadvantaged because of the location.
If they fought in an open area rather than the enclosed hospital rooftop, Sasuke would be able to perform his High Speed Taijutsu, and if he wanted, Chidori Speed Blitz him like he did Gaara. Naruto wouldn't be able to visually keep track of, nor physically react to him. It would be like Lee when he first took off the weights against Gaara, except Naruto doesn't have any defense such as Sand armor to protect himself.
Furthermore, even with being able to see through Lee's movements with his Sharingan, Sasuke was unable to physically react in time. Naruto would fair worse than Sasuke and Gaara did against such speed. But luckily for him they fought in an enclosed area, thus significantly limiting Sasuke's performance. Lol Sasuke didn't even have shoes on.
Also, Sasuke was so angered because he had just met up with Itachi, the guy he trained for years to become strong enough to kill, and was easily defeated. He felt/knew that he wasn't making the amount of progress that he needed to make to achieve his goals. Gaara even spoke of Sasuke not having enough hatred. Then incomes Naruto, who he was always significantly ahead of, showcasing that he made tremendous improvement. Summoning a Bigass Toad (which he could only due at the time with the Kyuubi's chakra, which he could only access whenever the Kyuubi decided to let him), defeating Gaara (with Gamabunta and the Kyuubi's help) and now having the Rasengan which he thought may have been stronger due to the damage it did to the tanks.
Nonetheless Sasuke was still superior as i explained above
Sasuke was owning Naruto. The Kyuubi saved Naruto twice before the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash.
1) Chapter 228, Sasuke stabs his Chidori through Naruto. He is critically wounded, can't breathe properly, or use his right arm, which means no jutsu. Then the Kyuubi heals him within seconds, and powers him up. Thus allowing him to continue to fight.
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This/the next page.
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2) Chapter 230, Sasuke beats Kyuubi Naruto to the point where he couldn't move. Then the Kyuubi powers him up, thus allowing him to continue to fight.
On top of healing and powering Naruto up multiple times, the Kyuubi itself even attacked Sasuke through it's chakra at one point.
This/the next page.
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After Rasengan and Chidori cancalled each other out, Naruto's hand slide toward Sasuke's headband, so he took advantage of that unexpected moment and scratch his headband.
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If he wanted too, he couldn't have move his hand with enough force to blow Sasuke's hand off. Sasuke's jab completely stopped him
Nope.
It wasn't a draw. Naruto's was aiming to defeat Sasuke, bring him back to Konoha forcefully. Sasuke's was to defeat Naruto, and go to Orochimaru's place. Sasuke succeeded, Naruto failed. He lost the physical battle.
I already countered this, skip down to my reply to Ultra Pain.
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I see you atleast possess some intelligence.
As i said in the OP. Sasuke is able to land many punches and kicks on Naruto yet he wouldn't be able to land even a single sword slash?
That's ridiculous. Plus it would have been very effective in the other moment i mentioned.
Yeah, Naruto recieved instant mastery of his abilities, and had 10 Bijuu helping him whilst Sasuke didn't, nor did he have his sword.
Anyway, this thread is about them at the end Part 2, not anytime beforehand.
If Sasuke wasn't restricted from ulitilizing his abilities and skills to his full advantage, such as having his sword which he had/used in nearly every one of his battles since the start of Part 2 over the course of hundreds of chapters/several years then conveniently it lost it before fighting Naruto, then Naruto would be dead.
Against Itachi Sasuke summoned and threw a massive amount of Shuriken within seconds.This and the next few pages.
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Against Naruto he only summoned and threw 3 Shuriken literally as he was falling to the ground, which each took out an entire clone. Then he got up, activated Chidori and charged at what he thought was the real Naruto. The clone stopped his arm and he was punched by the real Naruto.
This/the next page
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Instead of charging at him with Chidori, he could have easily summoned more shuriken and safely threw them from a distance. That's efficient. He would conserve chakra and physical energy, and wouldn't have to worry about being hit himself.
Aside from not using Genjutsu, Chibaku Tensei, and Bansho Tenin on Naruto, even though he easily did so against all the Bijuu.
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There's several other abilities that he didn't use even though they would have been very effective.
- During the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash, instead of using Enton Chidori, he could have extended his Chidori as he and Naruto were charging towards each other, then slash him.
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In his battle against Bee, from a distance and with little reaction time, he easily extended Chidori and it sliced through the Hachibi's tentacle like butter. This/the next page.
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- Or he could have used Chidori Spear or Senbon to hit Naruto from a distance.
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*There was no need to get in close range with Enton Chidori.* But Kishimoto likes his Rasengan and Chidori clashes. Can't end without it.
If he's going to attack from close up then Chidori Stream is best suited for that. It's both an attack and defense.
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And this is the reason why I don't argue with Sasuke fans. You serve them facts and they'd pull fanfics out of their ass like Sasuke could do that and this and then say Sasuke > Naruto.
Again I'd suggest you read the manga. Your opinions on Sasuke does not matter when the manga has already been written and I gave you so many facts along with reasons and you come back with more fanfic without there being actual facts and more crazy theories instead.