who would win the 1st or the 4th

who would win minato 4th hokage or hirashima(1st hokage)

  • 4th hokage

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SAKumono26

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1st hokage
Hashirama has been noted by both Madara and several Konoha Jonin to be regarded as the most feared ninja of his time. He was said to be one of or perhaps the most powerful of ninjas during the ninja wars, and the only person who was capable of matching him and his clan was Madara Uchiha and his Uchiha clan. Even so, he was undoubtedly an extremely formidable ninja, defeating both Madara and the Nine Tailed Fox (who was under Madara's control at the time). This is remarkable since Madara is a wielder of the eternal mangekyo sharingan, an advanced form of the mangekyo sharingan. Defeating the kyuubi alone would be a legendary feat, as the 4th hokage has to actually give up his life to seal the kyuubi. He also defeated the powerful Akatsuki member Kakuzu at some point. During his resurrected corpses battle with Sarutobi he is shown to be a considerable hand to hand combatant and could use powerful genjutsu. Flashbacks to his battle with Madara show he also had some summoning prowess, conjuring various weapons via scrolls.

He was most famous for his Wood Release jutsu, an ability to mix earth and water natured chakra to create a new element: wood. By converting chakra into source of life, he was able to create trees and cause them to grow to great sizes and diverse shapes at will. This ability was apparently unique to him, since his granddaughter Tsunade did not inherit this talent, and Yamato only acquired it through genetic manipulation by Orochimaru. Yamato has also shown great skill in standard water and earth techniques so it is presumed Hashirama could as well.

The ability Orochimaru most highly praised him for however was his unique ability to control the tailed beasts bending them to his own will, and suppressing their chakra. Madara also mentions that at one time he had several tailed beast under his control and later dealt them out to the other great Hidden villages in order to equalize the balance of power. It would seem this ability is greatly amplified by his very valuable necklace composed of a shard of crystalline chakra, though how this works is unknown.

Minato
Minato created several distinctive techniques, including the Flying Thunder God Technique, which essentially allowed him to teleport to any location with the use of a special seal. He also created the Rasengan, a technique that does not rely on hand signs, but instead uses a concentration of spinning chakra in the palm that causes immense damage to its target on contact. Later in the series it is revealed that this signature technique is actually incomplete. Minato had planned to add his own nature manipulation training to the Rasengan, making it even more powerful, but couldn't manage to combine the two prior to his premature death. Minato's possibly last technique was the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, which was used to seal the demon fox into Naruto, at the cost of his own life.

It is unknown exactly how strong Minato was in combat. He was undoubtedly extremely powerful, as enemy nations considered fighting him certain death for the ninja sent against him, leading to a flee-on-sight order he is regarded as The Greatest Shinobi the Leaf Village ever produced. Once, during the Third Great Shinobi War, he was able to defeat 50 enemies just by directing his kunai with the special seals on them. It seems to be that he kept teleporting around the terrain because, he was able to defeat them all shortly and without a scratch.
 
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yeah i choose minato 2
but the 1st hokage
was bascially like hercules
thats where tsunade got her stregnth from
and like come on he defeated madra uchai
who used ems
so i wannted this thread 2 b given a lot of thoguht i just choose the 4th of because of his statues and his the father of the protaganist
 

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I?m going with Shodaime, just from what I have seen and read, he is unstoppable, even the third who was know as the professor due to waste knowledge of ninjitsu had to use the dead demon consuming seal to defeat the Shodaime, but ten again at the same fight Sundaime didn?t even want to let the third coffin appear which contained Yondaime during the battle with Orochiaru that gives us a pretty good idea on how strong he was as well.

Sundaime is no push over either because he himself fought both of his teachers who happens to the 1st and the 2nd by himself and defeated them.
 

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Plus also when the third hokage is fighting orochimaru he is afriad of the third coffin cuz i bet it was the fourth hokage the third fights the first and the second hokage but i remember he try to do whatever it take to stop the third coffin he even says it.
 

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its disputable... shodaime was the best of his time but the reson he pwned madara and the tailed beast is because he could surpress the chakra or the 9 tails so that pretty much made it cakewalk from then on in but when it comes to madara its been spoken by people that one of the resons he did so well contending with him was because of his eternal darkness jutsu he and the 2nd hokage know and used aginst the 3rd hokage to make the enemy temperarily blind! wich would make the sharingan useless and his knowledge of water and earth techs used to make wood jutsu would be good to counter the uchia grand fireball tech so i think its complicated... also the 3rd was beter than the 1st and second hokages combind people stated that he had to use the shikifunji tech (forget the full name) to kill the 1st and 2nd but thats not all true because earlyer he blew off there arms and leggs but they regenerated due to orochimarus technique

i thought the 3rd was the greatest hokage untill someone stated taht when the coffin with the Kanji for 4th showed up the 3rd said "i cant let that one get through!" or something like that so this dose state that the 4th was crazy powerful and whatnot but this thread isnt a good question because the 1st and 4th are now relecs of the past they wouldnt stand a chance aginst the shinobi of today! the things we know about them were things that took place a long time ago and its been several years i believe that "all akasuki members" and other shinobi like kakashi and jiraiya and tsunade, naruto, sasuke, and many others are acually kake level and even beyond!!!


but i got offtrac... my answer to your original question is the 4th could and would defeat the 1st


i want to edit this because i just reliesed that the 3rd maby didnt want to fight the fourth "NOT" because he couldnt defeat him but maby because he couldnt defeat the 1st 2nd and 4th all at once... but maby he could 1 v 1..... oh wells we will never know... they are honored shinobi of the past and will be remembered by all of konoha as should be the shinobi on the KIA tombstone
 
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its disputable... shodaime was the best of his time but the reson he pwned madara and the tailed beast is because he could surpress the chakra or the 9 tails so that pretty much made it cakewalk from then on in but when it comes to madara its been spoken by people that one of the resons he did so well contending with him was because of his eternal darkness jutsu he and the 2nd hokage know and used aginst the 3rd hokage to make the enemy temperarily blind! wich would make the sharingan useless and his knowledge of water and earth techs used to make wood jutsu would be good to counter the uchia grand fireball tech so i think its complicated... also the 3rd was beter than the 1st and second hokages combind people stated that he had to use the shikifunji tech (forget the full name) to kill the 1st and 2nd but thats not all true because earlyer he blew off there arms and leggs but they regenerated due to orochimarus technique

i thought the 3rd was the greatest hokage untill someone stated taht when the coffin with the Kanji for 4th showed up the 3rd said "i cant let that one get through!" or something like that so this dose state that the 4th was crazy powerful and whatnot but this thread isnt a good question because the 1st and 4th are now relecs of the past they wouldnt stand a chance aginst the shinobi of today! the things we know about them were things that took place a long time ago and its been several years i believe that "all akasuki members" and other shinobi like kakashi and jiraiya and tsunade, naruto, sasuke, and many others are acually kake level and even beyond!!!


but i got offtrac... my answer to your original question is the 4th could and would defeat the 1st


i want to edit this because i just reliesed that the 3rd maby didnt want to fight the fourth "NOT" because he couldnt defeat him but maby because he couldnt defeat the 1st 2nd and 4th all at once... but maby he could 1 v 1..... oh wells we will never know... they are honored shinobi of the past and will be remembered by all of konoha as should be the shinobi on the KIA tombstone

Fully Interesting and Very intelligent post!!!

I wish there was a battle royal with all Kage from Past and present!! and from all villages!!

I wander if Vince McMan (owner of WWE) can hook a brother up!!!
 

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another thing supporting that the 3rd could beat the fourth is that he knew the fourth well from my understanding since either the 3rd taught the 4th shiki funji (reaper death seal) or vise versa they knew each other somehow... so im sure that the 3rd knew the secret to the 4ths flying thonder god tech and could counter it well useing kaga bunshin and some smart knowlage of the professer of konoha!!! 1 v 1 of corse this is
 
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Well..I bet that yondaime would win..first of all he has the shiki fuujin technique ( he will die by using it too lol..why did i say this ) and really..yondaime is really strong..he is the freakin speed of light..minato was a prodigy among ninja, such that enemy villages issued flee-on-sight orders if ever he appeared on a battlefield. He even developed a jutsu that was in essence a teleportation jutsu, allowing him to wipe out whole armies in the blink of an eye, thus earning him the title of "Konoha's Yellow Flash"..never blink when in front of minato..:)
 
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another thing supporting that the 3rd could beat the fourth is that he knew the fourth well from my understanding since either the 3rd taught the 4th shiki funji (reaper death seal) or vise versa they knew each other somehow... so im sure that the 3rd knew the secret to the 4ths flying thonder god tech and could counter it well useing kaga bunshin and some smart knowlage of the professer of konoha!!! 1 v 1 of corse this is
yeah..your right..In his youth the Third was known as "The Professor", as he purportedly knew every jutsu in Konohagakure..maybe he knew any secrets in any jutsus..and heck he is strong to..he managed to beat 2 kages at 1 fight..yet sacrificing his life..U_U
 
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first of all, nobody can tell who is stronger, bcos each of them was strongest in his own time. nobody here knows every jutsus or every capabilities of every hokage where they can safely conclude "this one is the strongest".

but my argument here, many of us are under the impression that 3rd "beat" both 1st and 2nd at the same time. but ppl who go along with this belief have to consider the following things-

1) first of all, nobody beat nobody. 3rd only beat oro's ambition. 3rd was forced to summon death god, a suicide jutsu, sealed the spirits and then died himself. so it was like blowing urself along with ur enemies. nobody wins.
2) 1st and 2nd were spirits summoned within the body of 2 sound ninja. they were later turned into only mindless killing machines by oro.

REAL 1st and 2nd were NEVER EVER EQUIVALENT TO summoned spirit of 1st and 2nd ( minus their will of fire, minus their own body, minus summoning ability, some might argue if edo tensei can transfer summons' full chakra in the host, i doubt (eg. itachi-kisames chakra transfer was 30% to different bodies))
 

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people, how much evidence does it take to PROVE that the 4th was the STRONGEST ninja who has ever lived?????????????

he defeated the nine tails without the cheap wood bloodline, and it was said that he was "the most gifted shinobi konoha has ever produced". plus kakashi said "naruto you are the only shinobi in this WORLD who can surpass the fourth hokage". and im pretty sure kakashi knows what he's talking about. plus, i heard somewhere a ninja must know 1000 jutsu before becoming hokage, so rasengan, hiraishin, reaper death seal, summoning gamabunta only scratch the serface for the 4th. oh yeah and 4th was the ONLY ninja to achieve the status of "FLEE ON SIGHT"!!!

not being an a-hole, but for those of you that don't know what "flee on sight" in the naruto series means. it means if you see this person, GTFO or you DIE!!!!!

only people who could almost fight evenly with 4th is
-pein
-jiraiya
-3rd
 
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Logic states that every generation has to surpass the one before it!


oooooooooooooooos Jman would win LOL!!! hehehehe (sorry being stupid)
 

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people, how much evidence does it take to PROVE that the 4th was the STRONGEST ninja who has ever lived?????????????

he defeated the nine tails without the cheap wood bloodline, and it was said that he was "the most gifted shinobi konoha has ever produced". plus kakashi said "naruto you are the only shinobi in this WORLD who can surpass the fourth hokage". and im pretty sure kakashi knows what he's talking about. plus, i heard somewhere a ninja must know 1000 jutsu before becoming hokage, so rasengan, hiraishin, reaper death seal, summoning gamabunta only scratch the serface for the 4th. oh yeah and 4th was the ONLY ninja to achieve the status of "FLEE ON SIGHT"!!!

not being an a-hole, but for those of you that don't know what "flee on sight" in the naruto series means. it means if you see this person, GTFO or you DIE!!!!!

only people who could almost fight evenly with 4th is
-pein
-jiraiya
-3rd
Cheap wood bloodline????? that was cheap. its his unique ability, he could control bijuu like pet. u cant brush off anyone's uniqueness.
how about "cheap" rinnegan bloodline of pein who u mentioned??
 

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Cheap wood bloodline????? that was cheap. its his unique ability, he could control bijuu like pet. u cant brush off anyone's uniqueness.
how about "cheap" rinnegan bloodline of pein who u mentioned??
well i didn't mean it in disrespect to shodaime. im just saying, 4th was able to defeat the 9 tails from shear power. but yes rinnegan and MS are overpowered for sure.
 
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