Well I knew some sausage fap was gonna quote me but didn't expect it to be you. And I didn't post to rustle Sasuke fans. Sasuke's MS was the weakest and I've stated that numerous times before.
The weakest is subjective. Shisui might be the weakest in the amount of destruction he can cause with a megazord but Kotoamatsukami on Ridoku steroids would one shot all the other Uchiha. They'll also all have a Rinnegan from the sage as well. Limbo and Ameno were unique to Madara and Sasuke so there's no telling what kind of hax the Rinnegan would give someone who already has the haxest Genjutsu (Shisui) or Obito and Itachi for that matter.
madara. this is all of them with their fullest capability of their mangekyo sharingan meaning that all 5 of these Uchihas are capable of perfect susanoo.
So there's no point in comparing susanoo's down to that measure since all of them have one.
Now it just comes down to their primary mangekyo sharingan power, which rules out madara immediately because he doesn't have any.
Leaving Shisui, Itachi, Obito, and Sasuke.
Shisui and Obito's mangekyo are far superior than any Uchihas I've ever seen, without a doubt but it all comes down to who can strike first close distance and long, and that would be shisui because ocular genjutsus are instant. Itachi also follows but Uchiha's can break his Tsukyomi and Sasuke's flame control can manipulate Itachi's amatersu. So Kishi designed mangekyo Sasuke to be able to beat Itachi granted if knowledge comes into play.
I know a lot of noobs immediately say Sasuke or Obito is the weakest because to them it's a popularity contest. But if you actually think and laid out who's capable of what and how they use their skills in battle. Madara loses and Shisui comes on top of everybody else.
lol madara had the strongest PS bar rikudo PS. we have seen sasuke's EMS susano and madara's as well and madara has stronger susano so no not all PS would be equal. Madara would have stronger PS of them all and that changes things. Obito doesn't have any good shinobi skills other than kamui but kamui is hax so he passes as well. Shisui was itachi's mentor and what we know of his he was a strong shinobi with just MS so he passes as well. Itachi doesn't need explanation so that leaves sasuke who had the weakest MS. Thus it's sasuke not madara. Because with powerups madara's susano would be too strong so other basic abilities (excluding hax abilities like kamui) will become meaningless.
lol madara had the strongest PS bar rikudo PS. we have seen sasuke's EMS susano and madara's as well and madara has stronger susano so no not all PS would be equal. Madara would have stronger PS of them all and that changes things. Obito doesn't have any good shinobi skills other than kamui but kamui is hax so he passes as well. Shisui was itachi's mentor and what we know of his he was a strong shinobi with just MS so he passes as well. Itachi doesn't need explanation so that leaves sasuke who had the weakest MS. Thus it's sasuke not madara. Because with powerups madara's susano would be too strong so other basic abilities (excluding hax abilities like kamui) will become meaningless.
:lol Look at this one-sided statement you made here. Let me just break this thing down apart for you okay.
PS are basically all the same, don't even mention Madara's PS before rikudou chakra okay because we only seen him use magic garb susanoo and there's a clear difference between the two databook made this clear.
Because if we bring Sasuke's PS feats and Kamui's PS feats, they make madara's PS look like child's play, not even in the same level when Madara was struggling with hashirama while Sasuke's and Kakashi/Obito's where battling JJ Madara and Kaguya on even grounds.
1)The only Susanoo feat that puts madara above anything else is magic garb susanoo. Sasuke only used it once to take down Juubito and that was really it. But I guess leveling 5 mountains is better than beating a Juubi jinchuuriki in your opinion however regardless, I'll give you something.
2) Perfect Susanoo feats (meaning no magic garb) is the same thing as the last time in madara's case. Take down 5 mountains only despite having rikudou chakra when he first uses in in the manga. Sasuke and Kakashi took theirs to a whole new level and makes Madara's feats look pathetic. If you think Madara's PS is stronger than Kakashi's then you should re-think life at that point because in where kakashi took out two of kaguya's arms, those arms would've consumed Madara's perfect susanoo faster than the Obito's god tree that absorbed both Madara's PS and Sm Hashirama's mokujin in like half a panel.
3) All you depend on is madara's Susanoo, which is not skillful at all. Take that away and all you have is a few Uchiha techniques and fire style. And yet you knock Obito for having no skills? He out maneuvered naruto's chakra arms with the gunbai fan mid air no kamui, fought Gai with the gunbai fan blocking his attacks while fighting naruto, beat kakashi one on one with his fuma shuriken kenjutsu combat before sending him off to other dimensions, and used skillful jutsus as Obito and alterego Tobi...
(uchiha flame formation, return of the Uchihas, Gedo control w/sync, extraction techniques, youngest person to fully manipulate the kyuubi, killing the strongest leaf anbu guards without kamui, beat 4th Mizukage while controlling him, izanagi, black chakra weapons, juubi coffin seal technique, infinite tsukyomi etc.)
^All these skills and you said that Obito is the least skillful? These are things both Itachi, Sasuke, and Shisui are unable to do and Madara had to wait after death to be able to use half of these skills.
4) Again, all you have is Susanoo as Madara's one trick excuse. And even then, they don't help him at all.
What is Susanoo going to do to the other Uchihas? Nothing really, they can go in and out of kamui instantly using intangibility, Shisui one-shots Madara with KA to forbid using Susanoo, Totsukya can seal away PS if necessary, and Sasuke's Susanoo is superior than Madara's thanks to the jyubi arc.
Madara and Sasuke can dodge Kamui shuriken and will know when Kamui snipe is about to be used because they can see chakra build up. In addition, kamui shuriken won't have any effect on Yata.
Furthermore, Obito lacks the fighting instinct of incarnates as well as their chakra potency, his EMS will be the weakest amongst everyone bar Shisui.
Obito cause he's not compatible with Sage power up like transmigrants and he also lacks their fighting intelligence and their level of talent for ninjutsu
:lol Look at this one-sided statement you made here. Let me just break this thing down apart for you okay.
PS are basically all the same, don't even mention Madara's PS before rikudou chakra okay because we only seen him use magic garb susanoo and there's a clear difference between the two databook made this clear.
Because if we bring Sasuke's PS feats and Kamui's PS feats, they make madara's PS look like child's play, not even in the same level when Madara was struggling with hashirama while Sasuke's and Kakashi/Obito's where battling JJ Madara and Kaguya on even grounds.
1)The only Susanoo feat that puts madara above anything else is magic garb susanoo. Sasuke only used it once to take down Juubito and that was really it. But I guess leveling 5 mountains is better than beating a Juubi jinchuuriki in your opinion however regardless, I'll give you something.
2) Perfect Susanoo feats (meaning no magic garb) is the same thing as the last time in madara's case. Take down 5 mountains only despite having rikudou chakra when he first uses in in the manga. Sasuke and Kakashi took theirs to a whole new level and makes Madara's feats look pathetic. If you think Madara's PS is stronger than Kakashi's then you should re-think life at that point because in where kakashi took out two of kaguya's arms, those arms would've consumed Madara's perfect susanoo faster than the Obito's god tree that absorbed both Madara's PS and Sm Hashirama's mokujin in like half a panel.
3) All you depend on is madara's Susanoo, which is not skillful at all. Take that away and all you have is a few Uchiha techniques and fire style. And yet you knock Obito for having no skills? He out maneuvered naruto's chakra arms with the gunbai fan mid air no kamui, fought Gai with the gunbai fan blocking his attacks while fighting naruto, beat kakashi one on one with his fuma shuriken kenjutsu combat before sending him off to other dimensions, and used skillful jutsus as Obito and alterego Tobi...
(uchiha flame formation, return of the Uchihas, Gedo control w/sync, extraction techniques, youngest person to fully manipulate the kyuubi, killing the strongest leaf anbu guards without kamui, beat 4th Mizukage while controlling him, izanagi, black chakra weapons, juubi coffin seal technique, infinite tsukyomi etc.)
^All these skills and you said that Obito is the least skillful? These are things both Itachi, Sasuke, and Shisui are unable to do and Madara had to wait after death to be able to use half of these skills.
4) Again, all you have is Susanoo as Madara's one trick excuse. And even then, they don't help him at all.
What is Susanoo going to do to the other Uchihas? Nothing really, they can go in and out of kamui instantly using intangibility, Shisui one-shots Madara with KA to forbid using Susanoo, Totsukya can seal away PS if necessary, and Sasuke's Susanoo is superior than Madara's thanks to the jyubi arc.
lol so you compared rikudo susano with normal susano of madara XD when i specifically said (bar rikudo susano) when comparing madara's susano with sasuke's. So magestic susano doesn't count now? Madara's susano is bigger than sasuke's. It has more power than sasuke's. When did sasuke beat any jubi jin with his susano? As for as i remember, everytime he went up against them with susano, he got negged. Against obito,it was naruto who weakend his will, it was naruto who took the biju out. And since your argument is revolving around sasuke not using his PS for himself pre rikudo buff, we can compare lower versions of their susano. Even there madara has stronger lower versions. If you are gonna compare kakashi and rikudo sasuke then we will have to use hypothetical jubi jin susano for madara. I know you are counting madara's rinnegan as rikudo chakra but madara didn't get any gift from sage. He didn't get half of sage's chakra along with rinnegan. So all your babbling fails here.
There's no point in comparing madara with other uchihas since thread is about weakest one. And i never said obito didn't have any ninjutsu, now did i? he competed with all these characters you stated with kamui hax which i already stated in my post. So stop bringing useless info again n again here. And madara's susano is stronger than sasuke by far pre rikudo buff so it'll be same after. Plus madara has huge chakra pool compared to sasuke so sasuke really bites the dust here.
madara. this is all of them with their fullest capability of their mangekyo sharingan meaning that all 5 of these Uchihas are capable of perfect susanoo.
So there's no point in comparing susanoo's down to that measure since all of them have one.
Now it just comes down to their primary mangekyo sharingan power, which rules out madara immediately because he doesn't have any.
Leaving Shisui, Itachi, Obito, and Sasuke.
Shisui and Obito's mangekyo are far superior than any Uchihas I've ever seen, without a doubt but it all comes down to who can strike first close distance and long, and that would be shisui because ocular genjutsus are instant. Itachi also follows but Uchiha's can break his Tsukyomi and Sasuke's flame control can manipulate Itachi's amatersu. So Kishi designed mangekyo Sasuke to be able to beat Itachi granted if knowledge comes into play.
I know a lot of noobs immediately say Sasuke or Obito is the weakest because to them it's a popularity contest. But if you actually think and laid out who's capable of what and how they use their skills in battle. Madara loses and Shisui comes on top of everybody else.
Madara the weakest??? naah dude, IMO its sasuke, when he had MS, he was weaker than MS itachi, and shisui should be around MS itachi's level or better cuz he was depicted to be faster and has stronger genjutsu, sasuke seemed to be the weakest, and sasuke having MS moves means nothing cuz they all have rinnegan, so his saving grace would be ameno, obito is the least talented but he will make up for it with kamui hax, so IMO
1. madara - the strongest (has the strongest chakra)
2- obito - less talented but the haxxest (intangibility is a b!tch)
3. Itachi - the smartest
4. Shisui - possible the fastest (speed MS shisui > MS itachi > MS sasuke) with the same buff it would be the same IMO
5. and then sasuke lol
the positions are interchangeable but sasuke is the weakest of the bunch,
Madara's Susanoo is still far beyond any of the other Uchiha's Susanoo without all the power ups, so give them all the same buff and the result remains the same. That on top of Limbo makes him the strongest. The only one who can threaten him in combat is Obito due to how annoying Kamui is. That's even without Mokuton, but I'm assuming that's not allowed here.
Next strongest would be Sasuke or Obito. His PS would be slightly stronger than Obito's and definitely stronger than Itachi and Shisui's, and he has Chidori and Ameno to add on top of that. Obito has Kamui Shuriken and all that nonsense.
Weakest is Shisui. Itachi still has the spirit weapons.
Madara's Susanoo is still far beyond any of the other Uchiha's Susanoo without all the power ups, so give them all the same buff and the result remains the same. That on top of Limbo makes him the strongest. The only one who can threaten him in combat is Obito due to how annoying Kamui is. That's even without Mokuton, but I'm assuming that's not allowed here.
Next strongest would be Sasuke or Obito. His PS would be slightly stronger than Obito's and definitely stronger than Itachi and Shisui's, and he has Chidori and Ameno to add on top of that. Obito has Kamui Shuriken and all that nonsense.
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Weakest is Shisui. Itachi still has the spirit weapons.
How is sasuke's PS stronger than the rest?? dude had the same half susano when he was using MS like itachi, giving them the same upgrade their susano would be the same, and madara's susano is the strongest (cuz the dude was brought up fighting day in day out so his chakra is refined af) with the same powerup nothing puts the other uchiha's susano below sasuke's IMO
How is sasuke's PS stronger than the rest?? dude had the same half susano when he was using MS like itachi, giving them the same upgrade their susano would be the same, and madara's susano is the strongest (cuz the dude was brought up fighting day in day out so his chakra is refined af) with the same powerup nothing puts the other uchiha's susano below sasuke's IMO
I forgot that everyone would get EMS as well. So let's say they are all equal. Either way Sasuke's is still better in combat because Chidori>>PS Sword, and PS sword is the highest level of firepower the rest can manage with their Susanoo. The only one who would be able to contend with him in combat bar Madara is Obito due to Kamui Shuriken and maybe Itachi depending on how powerful Yata Mirror on PS would be.
lol so you compared rikudo susano with normal susano of madara XD when i specifically said (bar rikudo susano) when comparing madara's susano with sasuke's. So magestic susano doesn't count now? Madara's susano is bigger than sasuke's. It has more power than sasuke's.
Since when did Madara use perfect Susanoo without rikudou chakra? And don't tell me you still think magic garb and Ps are the same?
Complete Body Susanoo (完全体 須佐能乎, Kanzentai Susanoo)
Heading: Eternity reigns within those pupils, allowing to shape the bravery into clad blue!
Classification: Ninjutsu/Kekkei Genkai
Rank: No Rank
Class: Offensive/Defensive
Range: All Ranges
User(s): Uchiha Madara
The power of the Mangekyō Sharingan is able to activate incredible Ninjutsu. Enormous Chakra clad technique materialize, towering over the mountains (exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands (changing the flow of battle). Appearance of the complete technique differs in accordance to the user. Moreover for users that are good at Ninjutsu Susanoo themselves,becomes possible to enter/trigger the invocation of the complete body (kanseitai). Furthermore Susanoo in next form can wear special armor which can shape/turn on wings that allow it to fly.
↑ The great complete Susanoo cutting strength that can cut-off mountain peaks,is easily enough to shut down even iron hard resistance (or is enough to make even iron-hard enemies to forfeit the battle).
This technique is Nine Tails, sheathed (armored) in clad Susanoo armor. Gallantly using weapons that Susanoo carry in its front paws (hands) ,just like the fangs of the predator...!! It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the Susanoo and Nine Tails, this technique allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both.
→ Defense, that had been invented by Uchiha Madara's Dōjutsu against Hashirama.
And Madara's susanoo is not bigger than Sasuke's nor is it more powerful than Sasuke's, stop blabbing out crap like that and save it for the sub section that believes in that kind of stuff.
When did sasuke beat any jubi jin with his susano? As for as i remember, everytime he went up against them with susano, he got negged. Against obito,it was naruto who weakend his will, it was naruto who took the biju out. And since your argument is revolving around sasuke not using his PS for himself pre rikudo buff, we can compare lower versions of their susano.
Oh so it was naruto's susanoo not weakened Obito and broke the sword of nunoboko? Interesting
And cut that pre rikudou buff theory out, madara never used perfect susanoo until edo tensei and even he had rikudou chakra then.
All you have is the magic garb instance where it fought hashirama and sasuke's took down jj obito.
And mindless juubito>>>>>>>>>>> Sm hashirama at his finest.
Even there madara has stronger lower versions. If you are gonna compare kakashi and rikudo sasuke then we will have to use hypothetical jubi jin susano for madara. I know you are counting madara's rinnegan as rikudo chakra but madara didn't get any gift from sage. He didn't get half of sage's chakra along with rinnegan. So all your babbling fails here.
We do, it's called edo madara and his got negged by the god tree in half a panel. And before you say something stupid like rinnegan madara not having rikudou chakra, you need to take into account that transmigrants need rikudou chakra to awaken the rinnegan in the first place.
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So your failed theory ends here.
There's no point in comparing madara with other uchihas since thread is about weakest one. And i never said obito didn't have any ninjutsu, now did i? he competed with all these characters you stated with kamui hax which i already stated in my post. So stop bringing useless info again n again here. And madara's susano is stronger than sasuke by far pre rikudo buff so it'll be same after. Plus madara has huge chakra pool compared to sasuke so sasuke really bites the dust here.
Everything else here just just desperate rambling. I can quote all the times you said Obito didn't have skills or ninjutsu as well as pull of pages of Sasuke's susanoo being superior in every way.
I don't want to here that pre rikudou buff fanfic either, it doesn't exist.
I think Madara gets to much credit for being the strongest Uchiha with EMS. Madara was in his prime and Sasuke had EMS for two days while being a teen before gaining more power..
There's really no evidence to prove EMS Madara is stronger than EMS Adult Sasuke(without added powers ups).
On topic. Obito would be the weakest. He's in a class full of prodigies and Genius..
Madara's Susanoo is still far beyond any of the other Uchiha's Susanoo without all the power ups, so give them all the same buff and the result remains the same. That on top of Limbo makes him the strongest. The only one who can threaten him in combat is Obito due to how annoying Kamui is. That's even without Mokuton, but I'm assuming that's not allowed here.
Next strongest would be Sasuke or Obito. His PS would be slightly stronger than Obito's and definitely stronger than Itachi and Shisui's, and he has Chidori and Ameno to add on top of that. Obito has Kamui Shuriken and all that nonsense.
Weakest is Shisui. Itachi still has the spirit weapons.
Since when did Madara use perfect Susanoo without rikudou chakra? And don't tell me you still think magic garb and Ps are the same?
