Who was born with more natural potential? Naruto or Sasuke?

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Haru70

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only killing best friend or sacrifice dear man might awaken MS

That's bullshit, I don't even need to click the link.

Obito didn't kill or sacrifice anyone to get his MS. We don't even know how Shisui got his... so claims like that can't be fully backed up. Might I add that the website you're referring to isn't even the manga, which is what I'm going by.

And you still have yet to prove to me how MS is not natural, which is the point of this little debate, despite me proving all of your points wrong.
 

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Guess you didn't see the part when he is standing alone on the bridge practicing...
practicing IS A PART OF TRAINING IF U DONT practicing YOUR NOT TRAINING
YOUR STARTING TO SOUND REAL.......... FUNNY DUDE
 

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potential or not,by the end of the series Naruto will be Jesus christ lvl
deal with it
 

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If we're talking about

Sasuke- no curse mark ever given, no EMS

Naruto- No fox what so ever, no km or bm


I'd say naruto only because without the fox he'd have far better chakra control in his early days, so. Who knows what jutsu he could master...... He learned. Mass shadow clones and rasengan as a child with disrupted chakra flow. So it's obvious he would be a beast

For me , its a little unfair to not count sasuke's MS because that was something he developed through his own turmoil , that awakened his new eyes. It wasnt given like ems. But if u just mention 3 tomoe. Sasuke still has the advntage over many ninja. Granted the only reason he beat naruto back then was due to his enhanced curse mark strength and speed. He would have still become as skilled or even be forced to be more skilled due to not having susanoo and amaterasu. He would have to rely on more sharingan based attacks like predicting movements and setting traps and using genjutsu
 

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Sasuke by a land slide.

Naruto wasn't born with the Kyuubi, lol.

SM is as far as Naruto's natural aptitude would have taken him.

Sasuke can naturally reach MS.

Agreed. However, in a few years, he'll go blind due to the effects of his MS whilst Naruto will still have his SM.
Overall Naruto's seems like a better deal to me.
I would consider EMS a natural progression, as it's a Clan Specific Technique to obtain one EMS Pair at the cost of Two. At the end of the day, it's still Uchiha KG and their ritual.
It's as natural as Uzumakis becoming Kurama's jink due to their prowess in sealing jutsu and their chakra being able to surpress kurama's.
 

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If Naruto wasn't the Kurama Jinchuriki, his chakra levels probably could've been lower, but they wouldn't have been much lower - as the Uzumaki Clan are already renowned for having high vitality and powerful bodies in their own right, similar to those of the Senju, and Naruto is still one of the Uzumaki. On the flip side, though, his chakra control would've been a lot better, as the Kyuubi wouldn't be disturbing it or anything. As a result, he could've done a lot better at actually learning techniques, and passed earlier in the Ninja Academy too.

I'm pretty sure that Naruto could've still mastered Sennin Modo. If anything, his Sennin Modo would be even better than in the actual manga, as the Kyuubi wouldn't be there to prevent him from fusing with Fukasaku and Shima, and thus Naruto would be able to attain a permanent SM. Outside of KCM and BM, he'd arguably be even stronger than he is in the manga, at present. Things would be quite different for Sasuke, though, and I'm going to explain why. First of all, one must remember the nature of their different powers and bloodlines.

It has already been confirmed in the manga that Temporary SM Naruto = MS Sasuke. If Naruto wasn't the Kurama Jinchuriki, he'd have a permanent, long-lasting Sennin Modo. Sure, Naruto might need more time to master Sennin Modo (in the absence of Kurama), but in the end, he'd still be on top of Sasuke. If Sasuke hadn't taken Itachi's eyes, on the other hand, he'd have a regular Mangekyo Sharingan that would eventually lose its light and go blind. I guess you all know what that means for the legendary rivals in the end, don't you?

So, in the end, it would chalk down to Naruto still going strong and having access to a permanent SM, while his rival Sasuke is stuck with a regular MS that eventually loses its light and goes blind, effectively preventing Sasuke from being a shinobi any more - that is, until or unless he learns to fight blind or something, and I'm not sure if that's even possible for a Dojutsu user. At any rate, he would never be able to fight as well as he could when he still had his eyesight, and he'd still be inferior to Naruto in the end, just like he is now.

So I'd say Sasuke would be the faster learner of the two, and for that reason, would succeed in the short run. However, Sasuke would end up going blind in the long run due to over-use of his powers, so he'd still lose in the long run, while Naruto is still going strong and ultimately ends up with an even stronger SM than the one he's currently using in the manga. So, in the end, I'd say Naruto was probably the one born with more potential. Being the son of a Kyuubi Jinchuriki and Uzumaki on one hand, and the legendary genius Minato on the other > being the son of some random Uchiha dude and dame. Even if you take away the Kyuubi from him, you can't take away Kurama's influence on him through his mother.

Also, one can't forget the fact that part of the reason that Sasuke has grown 'so powerful', is apparently because he was given performance-enhancing drugs by Orochimaru during his training in Part II, which enabled him to train and become stronger in a shorter period of time than normal. Naruto, on the other hand, has never taken any drugs or anything. If this is all true, then it makes Sasuke look even worse in comparison to Naruto, both in the real manga and also in a scenario where neither would have access to their ultimate power-ups.

If you include EMS as a part of Sasuke's potential, then you'll have to include being the Kyuubi Jinchuriki as a part of Naruto's potential, too. If you include Rinnegan as a part of Sasuke's potential, you must include having the rest of the tailed beasts as a part of Naruto's potential, too. That is the nature of their power-ups in comparison to each other.
 

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It's as natural as Uzumakis becoming Kurama's jink due to their prowess in sealing jutsu and their chakra being able to surpress kurama's.

Actually, it isn't. If you ever decide to drop your goggles, my contextual analysis on why it's natural would make oodles of sense. The whole thing has an allegorical theme to it. If you cannot see it, then it's pitiful.
 

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actually, it isn't. If you ever decide to drop your goggles, my contextual analysis on why it's natural would make oodles of sense. The whole thing has an allegorical theme to it. If you cannot see it, then it's pitiful.
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Actually, it isn't. If you ever decide to drop your goggles, my contextual analysis on why it's natural would make oodles of sense. The whole thing has an allegorical theme to it. If you cannot see it, then it's pitiful.
Not really. First of all your it's not really an "Uchiha clan specific technique", seeing as only Madara was successful in obtaining till Sasuke. They're the exceptions rather than the rule
Secondly one could argue sealing the fox is an Uzumaki clan specific technique as well. Infact, there are more Uzumaki clan jinchurikis than EMS users.
 

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Agreed. However, in a few years, he'll go blind due to the effects of his MS whilst Naruto will still have his SM.
Overall Naruto's seems like a better deal to me.

It's as natural as Uzumakis becoming Kurama's jink due to their prowess in sealing jutsu and their chakra being able to surpress kurama's.

And how did you reach that conclusion? Kurama has no affiliation to the Uzumaki clan at all.
 

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Haven't read all the posts but i can tell that there's a lot of hating in this thread.
 

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If Naruto wasn't the Kurama Jinchuriki, his chakra levels probably could've been lower, but they wouldn't have been much lower - as the Uzumaki Clan are already renowned for having high vitality and powerful bodies in their own right, similar to those of the Senju, and Naruto is still one of the Uzumaki. On the flip side, though, his chakra control would've been a lot better, as the Kyuubi wouldn't be disturbing it or anything. As a result, he could've done a lot better at actually learning techniques, and passed earlier in the Ninja Academy too.

I'm pretty sure that Naruto could've still mastered Sennin Modo. If anything, his Sennin Modo would be even better than in the actual manga, as the Kyuubi wouldn't be there to prevent him from fusing with Fukasaku and Shima, and thus Naruto would be able to attain a permanent SM. Outside of KCM and BM, he'd arguably be even stronger than he is in the manga, at present. Things would be quite different for Sasuke, though, and I'm going to explain why. First of all, one must remember the nature of their different powers and bloodlines.

It has already been confirmed in the manga that Temporary SM Naruto = MS Sasuke. If Naruto wasn't the Kurama Jinchuriki, he'd have a permanent, long-lasting Sennin Modo. Sure, Naruto might need more time to master Sennin Modo (in the absence of Kurama), but in the end, he'd still be on top of Sasuke. If Sasuke hadn't taken Itachi's eyes, on the other hand, he'd have a regular Mangekyo Sharingan that would eventually lose its light and go blind. I guess you all know what that means for the legendary rivals in the end, don't you?

So, in the end, it would chalk down to Naruto still going strong and having access to a permanent SM, while his rival Sasuke is stuck with a regular MS that eventually loses its light and goes blind, effectively preventing Sasuke from being a shinobi any more - that is, until or unless he learns to fight blind or something, and I'm not sure if that's even possible for a Dojutsu user. At any rate, he would never be able to fight as well as he could when he still had his eyesight, and he'd still be inferior to Naruto in the end, just like he is now.

So I'd say Sasuke would be the faster learner of the two, and for that reason, would succeed in the short run. However, Sasuke would end up going blind in the long run due to over-use of his powers, so he'd still lose in the long run, while Naruto is still going strong and ultimately ends up with an even stronger SM than the one he's currently using in the manga. So, in the end, I'd say Naruto was probably the one born with more potential. Being the son of a Kyuubi Jinchuriki and Uzumaki on one hand, and the legendary genius Minato on the other > being the son of some random Uchiha dude and dame. Even if you take away the Kyuubi from him, you can't take away Kurama's influence on him through his mother.

Also, one can't forget the fact that part of the reason that Sasuke has grown 'so powerful', is apparently because he was given performance-enhancing drugs by Orochimaru during his training in Part II, which enabled him to train and become stronger in a shorter period of time than normal. Naruto, on the other hand, has never taken any drugs or anything. If this is all true, then it makes Sasuke look even worse in comparison to Naruto, both in the real manga and also in a scenario where neither would have access to their ultimate power-ups.

If you include EMS as a part of Sasuke's potential, then you'll have to include being the Kyuubi Jinchuriki as a part of Naruto's potential, too. If you include Rinnegan as a part of Sasuke's potential, you must include having the rest of the tailed beasts as a part of Naruto's potential, too. That is the nature of their power-ups in comparison to each other.

Your way of thinking fascinates me to no end...smh. I can see that we are done here.
 

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And how did you reach that conclusion? Kurama has no affiliation to the Uzumaki clan at all.

Yea I suppose it's just coincidence that all three of kurama's jinchurikis are Uzumakis.
 

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Not really. First of all your it's not really an "Uchiha clan specific technique", seeing as only Madara was successful in obtaining till Sasuke. They're the exceptions rather than the rule
Secondly one could argue sealing the fox is an Uzumaki clan specific technique as well. Infact, there are more Uzumaki clan jinchurikis than EMS users.

The rule is that Two MS pairs make for a single EMS pair. Now why on earth would anyone grant their eyes to another for the creation of EMS in the first place? Second is the issue of potential. Sasuke was chosen by Obito and Orochimaru, because his eyes had more potential and possessed more power than Itachi. Which could mean that not everyone is even capable of unlocking EMS.

This is further backed by the fact that Obito relentlessly pushed Sasuke so that he would lose his light and would ultimately ask for Itachi's, resulting in pairs' fusion to create EMS. Rule or no rule, two people or not, EMS cannot be attained outside the clan, which would make it a natural progression. And as only the Clan is capable of fusing the eyes in the first place and is capable of awakening this final eternal light, my point still stands. Heck the whole Light and Eternal thing is deeply allegorical in terms of fictional Uchiha history. How can anyone NOT see this, I am flabbergasted.

Second Paragraph: What?
 

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The rule is that Two MS pairs make for a single EMS pair. Now why on earth would anyone grant their eyes to another for the creation of EMS in the first place? Second is the issue of potential. Sasuke was chosen by Obito and Orochimaru, because his eyes had more potential and possessed more power than Itachi. Which could mean that not everyone is even capable of unlocking EMS.

This is further backed by the fact that Obito relentlessly pushed Sasuke so that he would lose his light and would ultimately ask for Itachi's, resulting in pairs' fusion to create EMS. Rule or no rule, two people or not, EMS cannot be attained outside the clan, which would make it a natural progression. And as only the Clan is capable of fusing the eyes in the first place and is capable of awakening this final eternal light, my point still stands. Heck the whole Light and Eternal thing is deeply allegorical in terms of fictional Uchiha history. How can anyone NOT see this, I am flabbergasted.

Second Paragraph: What?
You know this whole debate could have been avoided if you had bothered to look up the word "natural". EMS being clan specific doesnt make it natural. The point is it an MS wouldn't evolve into an EMS unless you take someone's eye, i.e make an alteration to your body.
 

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Sasuke would not have EMS, and Naruto would not have Kurama.

SM Naruto vs MS Sasuke

It's hard to say who has the most natural potential as they're only going to be using EMS and Kurama now. However based On what we've seen in the manga, I'm going with Sasuke. He's a fighting genius, and in power he edges out a victory against current SM Naruto.
 
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