Mokouton is mokouton and it came from the original source. Its true there werent used to their best and therefore didnt mount a serious challenge but their strength hasnt withered at all. Tobirama produced 2 suiton jutsus of the higest calibre in a place with no water, Suiton: Suiryudan no Jutsu and Suiton: Suijinheki. Similarly Hashirama used Mokuton Hijutsu: Jukai Kotan, the same technique edo madara used when he first used the mokouton. The strength was there, but oro didnt know how to utilise them or should i say hadnt perfected the technique.
Similarly for you sake of this argument lets assume hashirama's mokotuon werent that strong. That still means nothing enma in his transformed state, is said to be as hard as diamond therefore, it will still get past mokouton like a twig;
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Tbh after carefully consideration the fight that took place in part 1 should convince people that sarutobi in his prime can/will defeat hashirama. The reason i saw this is because both obviously werent at their best. Hiruzen was an old fart and hashirama was not only being controlled, the controller oro didnt make full use of him. But hashirama still had tobirama and oro on his side and he was still defeated albeit in an edo state. The fight in part 1 you could saw was scaled down version of what it would be like and although both were handicapped, sarutobi was alone, hahsirama wasnt.
Minato is indeed strong. I mean, he did cut one of Bees tentacles with a Kunai. The thing about Minato is his speed. Speed is an incredible advantage in battle.
I can't really say that Minato > Hiruzen in terms of power.
Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?
He nver said im weaker now, or then, no time restrictions... he's weaker than him, therfore he's not the stronger hokage so he cant beat hashirama.
Did Dan SEE hashirama fight, NO. He still knew he was strong.
Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?
Hashirama and 3rd hokage are strong in different ways. Hashirama was only famous as a strong kage for that fight. Hiruzen on the other hand was famous for many unknown occasions leading to his nickname.
Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?
Hiruzen mastered the basic froms of ninjustu and has at least 2000+ justu in his nap sack he was said to be the strongest kage in his prime and at a old age he was trained by hashirama and tobirama and amitted that he was stronger then 5 other potential kage elects when orochimaru fought him he EASILY man handled orochimaru in mere seconds and disabled hashi and tobirama and later while completly blind blocked every attack thrown at him by 2shinobi and in seconds found there locations and sealed them thats why I say prime>hashirama
Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?
hashirama>hiruzen
dan said that only hashirama was capable of beating madara. dan was 27 when he died. tsunade was the same age as dan. hiruzen is 19 years older than tsunade. hiruzen is still in his prime at the age of 46. dan has also seen hiruzen when he was younger. dan has also seen hashirama and knows of his powers. if hiruzen was truly stronger than hashirama then he wouldve said that only hiruzen and hashirama could beat madara.
dan said that only hashirama was capable of beating madara. dan was 27 when he died. tsunade was the same age as dan. hiruzen is 19 years older than tsunade. hiruzen is still in his prime at the age of 46. dan has also seen hiruzen when he was younger. dan has also seen hashirama and knows of his powers. if hiruzen was truly stronger than hashirama then he wouldve said that only hiruzen and hashirama could beat madara.
Ok got me on this, but i quote my self :
Hiruzen was stated to be ( strongest kage ) not hokage by kabuto, as for as iruka's statement it's his opinion and he was only boostin him infront of the academy kids, hiruzen said he's weaker than minato... + That statement was contradictory, hiruzen told him to not use past tense so whe means that he's still the stronger, than a few chapters later he states that even he cant match Minato...
Minato was STATED not said to have unrivaled strength when he appeared in the manga cover, that doesnt mean that he's the strongest, absolute statements don't exist when events are in constant evolution. ( arguing and conversation basics 1o1 )
And basiclly following what you said, hashi' and tobirama had their own reflexes in that fight wich means an exploding paper would kill 1st and 2nd hokage who stood against the uchiha and marara, i dont know man... those reflexes were like puppet reflexes.
Stop saying hiruzen would know hashi' weaknesses, cus hashi' would know hiruzen better as his master.
+Hiruzen prime would have 5 in strength , speed( maybe), and stamina so he had all his jutsu's fightin orochimaru and he lost ( yep lost oro was alive an not hiruzen ) and tied with the hokages ( yep tied cus' they'r all dead ) .
What do we exactly know about hiruzen ?
